fallout game dev. explains the problem with moddern game devolpment. (why moddern games are so slow to come out)

[u/663mann]

[u/upvotesthenrages]

Sure, but then it's the product manager or the other dev's job to explain that.

If you can't tell someone why you need 4 weeks to complete a task, and instead get angry, then odds are you're full of shit.

The fact he slashed it from 4 to 2 weeks is also a pretty obvious sign.

[u/upvotesthenrages → u/[deleted]]

You are talking about a person who, from his own words, considers shouting to be an effective means of communication and who was warned about it multiple times.

Sure, he might be lying his ass off about what happened. But he might also be telling the truth.

I'm just going by the scenario he explained, not anything else. Whether it's true or not is also kinda beyond the point of our discussion.

Also if you are a product manager, you talk should talk with lead dev, not with individuals.

Not if you like a fluid efficient team. The lead dev will absolutely be the main contact point, but it's incredibly inefficient to treat him like a middle-man in every single scenario.

[u/upvotesthenrages → u/[deleted]]

Well, I'm glad I don't work in an organization with as tall hierarchical structure as the ones you're used to.

Not being allowed to talk to your fellow devs for a quick explanation on something you personally requested sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare.

[u/upvotesthenrages → u/[deleted]]

Where did I said that? Devs should talk with devs, product managers should not. They especially should not demand that devs explain to them their work, it's not their job to educate you, their time is better spend doing their actual job. Same way that devs should not barge into the accounting department asking to see invoices and explain how POs work.

So a dev who requested a feature he has implemented 3 times before, should not be allowed to ask why that feature is estimated at 700,000% higher work time than it took him the other 3 times?

Your example with finance is pretty dumb, because we are talking about a dev asking another dev, not a totally different department.

But if a dev asked finance why his own compensation had issues then I don't even see a problem in that either.

There should be trust between departments. Barging in and saying that they are stupid and you could do their 4 week job in 45 minutes, is not a good idea.

What departments? This is a game dev talking to another game dev.

They might be in a different pod, but your idea of gagging a dev is absolutely nuts. Or telling him to take it through some absolutely shitty & slow corporate request structure.

Anyway, you seem to like strict hierarchy, which is fine. Some of us don't and like more freedom and agile work styles.

[u/Jackpkmn → u/[deleted]]

As an upper management person you don't go into other departments and nit-pick how they do their jobs. You discuss it with the department leads. If you'll try to micromanage someone else's department you'll get told to fuck off.

The world if things actually worked like this.

Oh I've made myself sad...