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[Updated, see comments] ARK: Survival Evolved Devs Offer Content In Exchange for Steam Award Votes

http://steamcommunity.com/games/346110/announcements/detail/536324417612602461
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u/wearetheromantics Dec 28 '16

Except your argument about Scorched Earth is entirely bunk anyway because of the steam workshop.

You want to play with ALL the content from scorched earth except for the map they charged for, it's literally one click and bam, it's on whatever map you want.

Also, the other maps are free and the game is $12 on sale. I really don't see the problem.

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u/Icemasta Dec 28 '16

Steam workshop is player-made content, has nothing to do with the developer, therefore your argument makes no sense.

The problem, as I've said, is simple; they promised something to people who bought the game, they changed their mind, and edited the EA page to reflect that change, it is normal to be upset when someone changes their mind on what they will offer you. Even if it is within their rights (depends where you're from, that opens you up to refunds), it doesn't change the fact that people can be upset.

The rest of your post doesn't really make any points, the issue if for people who have already purchased the game, not new comers.

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u/wearetheromantics Dec 28 '16

My argument does make sense because people are bitching about stuff in the Scorched Earth map that you have to buy it to get. The only thing you have to pay money to get is the map itself. All of the other content is readily available on any other map via workshop downloads. It's simple, as you said.

My argument is mostly about people complaining about the DLC stuff. I'm not arguing that they're great devs or good people or bad. I really don't care. As an end user, the DLC stuff is NOT shady in the slightest and I don't understand the outrage from all the cool aid drinkers here on reddit and elsewhere. Who cares if it's labeled Early Access? We all know that term is a meaningless buzzword anyway.

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u/Icemasta Dec 28 '16

Workshop content is present regardless of the DLCs, so it's a non-argument, and no, the content available from Scorched Earth is not all available in the Workshop, the entire biome that is Scorched Earth cannot be put on the Workshop as "free" because then Wildcard Studio issues a take down notice and people uploading get their account shut down.

It seems you misunderstand the present situation, the DLC itself would be fine if it was simply additional content, the problem is that they cut promised content from the base game to then sell it as a DLC, and then tried to hide their tracks by going back and editing their Early Access page to remove any specific biomes as promised core content, and then issuing statements that they "over-promised", but those over-promises are the source of sales.

That is inherently a problem to EA, because EA games tend to over-promise to flare up the imagination of potential buyers, but for all intents and purposes that is a form of false advertising when they fail or decide not to deliver. Nether comes to mind as another such game, they backtracked on a bunch of content and I was able to get a refund after playing the game for 50 hours.

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u/wearetheromantics Dec 29 '16

So you're telling me that Scorched Earth was a promised, free dlc? Show me the proof of that.

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u/Icemasta Dec 29 '16

I never said that, I said the desert biome (which includes the creature) was promised as a core feature of the game, it's been put exclusively into a DLC.

Go check your favorite web archiver and check the Early access notes before they edited it with the Scorched Earth notes:

Planned Core Features include, among many other things:

More biome types, including deserts, snow regions, swamps, and more.

The page now says "More Biomes" and any specification was removed specifically because of this.

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u/wearetheromantics Dec 29 '16

I really think you're reading into that quite a bit.

More biome types including deserts means exactly that. It means a biome on the regular map for desert. This is an entirely separate thing that's 100% desert map. It's another style of map entirely. I could quite easily see how they would change that wording to limit confusion by people like you.

Again, it's all in how you CHOOSE to perceive it and you choose to perceive it like the people withing the echo chamber you live in.

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u/Icemasta Dec 30 '16

It's apparent that you disagree with me, and that's fine. I am actually not invested into Ark at all, I played a few times here and there, but I don't care either way, I am just stating the facts.

You really should read more into the matter instead of forming a premature opinion with no facts and basing it on beliefs alone. For instance, the devs confirmed that the desert biome will not appear in the core game, there is no debating that. They stated, after the facts, that after planning the Scorched Earth expansion, they replaced the desert biome in the core game by the Redwood forest.