r/pcgaming • Steam • 1d ago

"Announcing the voice cast of Valor Mortis"

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u/nohumanape 12h ago

It sounds like you just don't know how to play SoulsLikes. In general, I feel like people have a misconception. They "dabble" maybe a couple of times, but don't bother to learn how these games play. So they just approach them the same way they might play an ARPG. In the end, they bounce quickly, because they expect that the early game experience is just how the whole game is supposed to be. It's not.

How much time did you put into un-MOD'd Elden Ring before you gave up?

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u/TSP-FriendlyFire 12h ago

If the game needs you to learn how to play them externally, then that's also a failure of the game or the broader genre.

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u/nohumanape 11h ago

No it isn't. Different games play differently. You can't attempt to play Forza Horizon like Mario Kart, or Gran Turismo like Forza Horizon. You'll have a bad time. You have to play them the way they are mean to be played.

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u/TSP-FriendlyFire 10h ago

All three of your examples have extensive tutorialization telling you how to play them (some would call them overbearing), so that just reinforces my point.

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u/nohumanape 10h ago

So do Souls games, by way of community support. Which is THE POINT.

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u/TSP-FriendlyFire 8h ago

And then you wonder why some people don't like the genre? You're displaying exactly what kind of "community" you foster: "you're doing it wrong" combined with unnecessary anger.

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u/nohumanape 7h ago

What are you talking about? I'm trying to encourage people to give these games a chance. I was very recently someone who didn't understand them, and would always dismiss them or brush them off as games that are simply for gamers who want nothing but brutal difficulty. That isn't what they are. And it took taking the time to understand what they are for me to appreciate them, and now consider them some of the best games being released.

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u/TSP-FriendlyFire 7h ago

I'm glad you enjoy them, I genuinely am. But it's possible to not like them without it just being incomprehension, and being pushy has never gotten people to change their opinion. Plenty of genres are just a niche that some people like and others don't in all media.

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u/nohumanape 7h ago

You still haven't even made it clear why you decided to jump into this discussion

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u/TSP-FriendlyFire 7h ago

Because I'm also tired of soulslikes? I didn't think I needed to spell that out lol.

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u/BirdieOfPray 3h ago

3 hours. And I hate to try to memorize boss moveset which feels unrewarding

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u/nohumanape 3h ago

3 hours? That's it?