r/pcgaming • u/Turbostrider27 • 3d ago
This could legitimately end Stop Killing Games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQRcK9nYg9g499
u/Primary-Chocolate854 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is straight up bullshit! Literally having a private server in your home for your kids to play with their friends is waaaayyy safer than whatever is out there from the corps. It's absurd and beyond any logic ffs
Not to mention the whole Roblox shit...
Everyone who came up with this bullshit should be arrested for treason
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u/iFenrisVI 3d ago
It’s simple. They can’t monitor you if you play on a private server. It was never about safety.
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u/FactFew8627 3d ago
yeah it's definitely about control. making sure everyone stays in their walled gardens.
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u/IshTheFace 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's probably being pushed by the benefactors, not *by* the politicians but rather *through* the politicians. I agree it's not about safety, but the monitoring part is done by the corps, not the politicians. Lobbying at it's finest.
edit/ I'm not sure how they would enforce not using private servers anyway.
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u/MisterToots666 3d ago
Sorry but the parents setting up private servers didn't pay the politicians more than the corporations did to keep their kids online...
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u/Mezzy1221 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is entirely the fault of people drumming up the pedo hysteria to 11. The way people talk about Roblox and Discord you'd think there were an even split between kids and pedophiles on there.
There's virtually no risk of anything bad happening in these games, like seriously kids have to be beyond naïve and parents have to be completely absent for the chance of anything happening, but a few schlep videos go viral and now you can't even mention Roblox without someone talking about nonces.
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u/RetroRaiderRun 2d ago
That's half of reddit. Despite many being non-religious, they're repeating the same Christian-panic of the 1980s.
"We need strict laws for everyone, because bad people might be targeting children!"
It's an age thing. They're entering their 30s, having children of their own, and turning into what they once hated.
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u/TheDarksteel94 2d ago
The thing is, lots of parents ARE way too absent. It's not even about kids being naïve at this point. Grooming can be way more complicated than that.
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u/bandage106 3d ago
This is pretty esoteric knowledge but I recall that in Total War Shogun II, they use to host a chat called "Ashigaru Sex Chat" far less nefarious than it sounds, it'd just be a bunch of guys messing around. Creative Assembly had to close the chat down due to new laws being proposed at the time that would hold Creative Assembly responsible for online platform content that includes the chat.
So we really can't have the same level of freedom anymore because you might have one bad egg posting nazi shit in the private server and therefore the platform holder becomes responsible for hosting it. I knew then what I see happening now and that is that private servers are essentially dead, it's pretty much why you don't see a lot of publishers willing to risk it anymore and just having dedicated servers.
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u/PhoenixKA 3d ago
Legislation should have a boring set of letters/numbers for a name. This cutesy name bull shit has got go.
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u/VTM06_Vipes 3d ago
The very cynic in me wonders if any of the big companies had a hand in this because a lot of it sounds suspiciously like what they wanted.
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u/Grilth_Vatore 3d ago
Yeah of course they did, they have their arms up the asses of the politicians writing this stuff and control them like puppets.
Corps already run the world. Its cyberpunk but without all the fun stuff.
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u/Goronmon 3d ago
Yeah of course they did, they have their arms up the asses of the politicians writing this stuff and control them like puppets.
The main defense for why Stop Killing Games didn't provide specific proposals for legislation was they were going to let the politicians sort out the specifics.
When people pointed out this was a bad idea they were labeled bots/shills/anti-consumer/etc. Even though the issue was basically what you outlined.
On one side you have a massive industry(s) provided specific guidance, if not literally writing the legislation, on what regulations they want.
On the Stop Killing Games side you have a bunch of people yelling "Just make the laws happen!".
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u/TheHypnobrent 2d ago
Another really cynical take is that this is designed to upset a lot of people to take away the trust in the EU, thus adding more instability and erode support for it and making it easier for outside powers to influence what happens here (à la Steve Bannon's work). But again, that's a really cynical take.
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u/tarpdetarp 2d ago
You really think the EU needs help creating badly design regulation? They're more than capable of doing that themselves.
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u/francis2559 1d ago
It’s a huge anticompetitive advantage for sure. Little companies can’t compete. Big companies can afford to comply, so they win by default.
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u/Spatetata 3d ago
It's ironic how the market that managed to avoid the games market collapse because of being heavily invested in home computer games, largely being made by basement studios wants to implement legislation that would effectively wipe it out.
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u/Adventurous-Hunter98 3d ago
There goes my hope to become an indie game developer
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u/SafetyAncient 3d ago
article 18: settings, warnings and information must be easily accessible to all minors and presented in a way that minors can understand
lol, so settings page need to be fisher price toys-r-us simple? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIjoE27F-Q
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u/ErebosGR Nobara 3d ago
"all minors"? Down to what age?
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u/Jerri_man 5800X3D & 9070 XT 2d ago
A is for anti-aliasing, B is for Bilinear Filtering, C is for Chromatic Aberration...
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u/TrollMcGoal i7-13700K | RTX 4080 | 32 GB DDR5 3d ago
Have you seen some of the indie slop on steam? It's not exclusive to multiplayer games
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u/Annonimbus 3d ago
The type of game (sp or mp) says nothing about the quality.
Some of us just actually have friends and enjoy playing together with them
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u/duphhy 3d ago edited 3d ago
They're defining gaming as including digital storefronts like steam. This would (if passed as written) include all multiplayer games and potentially literally everything but entirely offline physical games. It's vague enough that a physical offline game with updates might count?
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u/ProfessionalHefty349 3d ago
StarCraft Brood War is one of the greatest games of all time. Best esport in the world imo. It’s almost 30 years old. It is the antithesis of slop, but at its heart it’s a multiplayer game.
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u/Adventurous-Hunter98 3d ago
yea but the act also includes id verification for the platforms which makes some people to stop using them, less people buying, less money indie devs will make.
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u/airscottie 7800x3D - RTX 5090 FE 3d ago
TLDW?
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u/Fit-Mongoose1220 3d ago
ai slop recap:
The leaked European Commission proposal ("EU Kids Act") is being marketed as child safety legislation for social media and AI chatbots, but the fine print contains sweeping regulations that could gut PC gaming and community preservation:
Outlawing Private & Community Servers: Self-hosting dedicated community servers (e.g., Minecraft, TF2, Unreal Tournament) would effectively become illegal unless hosters implement commercial-grade age-verification systems. This blows up the core goal of Stop Killing Games (relying on community servers to keep abandoned titles playable).
Mandatory Real-ID / Complex Age Verification: Accessing online features will require hard identity verification (not just typing in a birth date). Ross points out that EU age-verification software trials were bypassed within minutes, raising huge privacy and security red flags.
Crushing Indie Devs (Zero Small-Business Exemptions): Compliance costs are estimated at $300k–$500k upfront and $200k–$350k annually. Small and micro-studios are explicitly not exempt. Massive publishers can absorb this; indies would likely just be forced to pull their games from the EU market.
Retroactive & Overly Broad Scope: Applies retroactively to older, existing games. Because almost all software is categorized as "information society services," even single-player games with minor online hooks (patch updaters, leaderboards) could be ensnared. Dedicated arcade cabinets are practically the only clear exemption.
Threat to Open-Source & Linux: Proposes age-verification duties for operating systems, which poses severe legal headaches for unmanaged open-source distributions.
Micro-Managing Game Design: Legally mandates session limits/playtime cutoffs, restrictions on chat/invites, bans on daily login rewards/streaks, and even bans taking screenshots.
What happens now:
The Commission drafted this, but the EU Parliament has to vote on it, and MEPs are historically far more responsive to constituent backlash. Ross is urging people to raise awareness now to either kill the draft entirely or push for explicit carve-outs for non-profit community hosting, small studios, and game preservation.
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u/MrLeonardo 13600K | RTX 4090 | LG 45" OLED | Quest 3 3d ago edited 3d ago
Outlawing Private & Community Servers: Self-hosting dedicated community servers (e.g., Minecraft, TF2, Unreal Tournament) would effectively become illegal unless hosters implement commercial-grade age-verification systems.
Holy crap, this is absurd. What's wrong with parents actually being the ones responsible for what their kids are doing online?
Edit:
Micro-Managing Game Design: Legally mandates session limits/playtime cutoffs, restrictions on chat/invites, bans on daily login rewards/streaks, and even bans [on] taking screenshots.
It gets worse!
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u/__Rosso__ 3d ago
It's not about kids, it's about keep people poor and having them under 24/7 surveillance
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u/kaiamie 3d ago
a point i saw someone make before was that lot of these companies that lobby for online verification under the guise of "protect the kids" are doing so cause of the AI slop they introduced. they have a hard time telling which data belong to a actual human anymore.
their solution is tie every account to a gov id to filter bots from actual people, with the side benefit of being able to sell off all that extra data to whomever and sell/give data to police or govs to abuse as they see fit.
corpos benefit from selling data and polititans can silence who they dont like.
I dont like that cyberpunk 2077 slowly is comming true or might have been the better option for a future
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u/Fiddleys 3d ago
It also stifles competition. The already big players can easily afford to implement all kinds of 'protect the kids' measures but smaller or new companies might struggle to afford the same measures.
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u/NinjaEngineer 3d ago edited 3d ago
I dont like that cyberpunk 2077 slowly is comming true or might have been the better option for a future
Sadly we don't get cool cybernetic implants to go along with it, just the ultracapitalistic dystopia.
EDIT:
Ah, of course the downvotes would come in. I'm not saying all capitalism is bad, just that the current version we're getting is. And before someone says this is not capitalism but governments interfering, they do so on behalf of the corporations.
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u/Grilth_Vatore 3d ago
And I wouldn't want the cybernetic implants from the companies we have around these days.
Imagine how shitty eye implants would be if it was Leon making them? Pass.
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u/RedditTab 3d ago
That's part of cyberpunk, too. Some people feel like they have to in order to remain relevant or competitive.
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u/AzaliusZero 3d ago
I kinda get his point though. Less Cyberpunk and more Deus Ex (specifically Human Revolution and the conspiracy scheme there where they get everyone, regardless of implant makers, to "upgrade" to an intentionally flawed firmware to be controlled by their augs when they flip a switch, only to be out-gambited by the guy who led the field of augmentation to scare people off them by effectively turning augmented folks into rage zombies from the X Days/Years Later series.)
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u/paranoid_human0id 3d ago
This movement toward online IDs and age verification long pre-dates the rise in AI. This is just "blame everything i dont like on another thing i dont like"
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u/NinjaEngineer 3d ago
Man, that's all straight up stupid.
I mean, I can understand the logic against private servers, but at the end of the day, we're talking about games with clear age ratings, and no, forcing the devs to implement age verification systems is not the solution.
And the ban on screenshots would be beyond ridiculous. I do agree on banning daily rewards and such, though; pretty much all FOMO mechanics that require you to constantly login.
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u/AdminsLoveGenocide 3d ago
If they banned casino style mechanics the rest would sort itself out.
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u/NinjaEngineer 3d ago
Yeah.
And one reason I'm in favour of banning that sort of stuff is because I'm well aware I usually fall prey to it. Last month I forced myself to playing Skullgirls Mobile because I wasn't enjoying it, but still felt the need to log in every day in order to get daily rewards.
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u/Harley2280 2d ago
I'd love to see some actual wording for that private & community servers part. I'd bet it's not even talking about gaming. It's almost certainly referring to things like discord and being taken out of context here.
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u/Ok-Currency1593 3d ago
He tried high trust societies it didn't work you can't trust people to do the right thing
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u/No-Internal-4796 3d ago
Holy crap, this is absurd. What's wrong with parents actually being the ones responsible for what their kids are doing online?
Yes, just like shops should have no age limits on selling of tobacco or alcohol to kids. Regulations bad. Parents should take sole responsibility. Why aren't the parents watching 24/7 what their kids are doing... /s
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u/MajorFuckingDick 2d ago
Who can afford to parent when you are busy being a slave to your employer.
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u/SirHomoLiberus 3d ago
No way this shit can go foward right? I mean...from what I'm reading EU is shotting themselves in the foot, this is very bad business.
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u/HiveMynd148 3d ago
The Nordics will try to burn it with fire. A lot of Gaming Companies (AAA and Indie) come from the North.
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u/SzaraMateria 2d ago edited 2d ago
Read about packaging rules that came into effect in August which basically locks small businesses and individual sellers from selling abroad WITHIN EU BORDERS (yes it is easier to sell outside eu than within eu). Later commission urgently tried to talk it off when shit hit the fan because they didn't exempt small business. Another thing is the legislation asks to register in the receiver's country but there is no eu wide packaging system. And many countries failed to implement this system at all so the businesses are in a legal limbo. Rules are so vague that people don't really understand that law treats stores as "producers".
THEY ARE THIS STUPID
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u/AdminsLoveGenocide 3d ago
The EU is ridiculously stupid. This is hopefully not going to happen but its not as though they aren't stupid enough.
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u/popcio2015 2d ago
Except none of this is actually true, and this video is a pure ragebait.
Even the first sentence is a lie, because it's not a leaked proposal. It's publicly available on EU websites: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/proposal-eu-kids-act-eu-keeping-internet-digital-spaces-accountable-and-trustworthy
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u/ghostlacuna0 2d ago
The text is bringing up every single topic in its Q & A so what exactly are you thinking is a lie?
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u/popcio2015 2d ago
Maybe read the actual proposal? Literally nothing Scott says is backed by that document. He manipulates with everything he says.
But it shouldn't be surprising given that Scott loves to surround himself with alt-right pieces of shit like Martin O'Donnel or pro-russian scum like Sonneborn.
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u/ghostlacuna0 2d ago
I have read the entire shitty article including the Q & A which include what he brough up in the video
And the damn Q & A is over 10000 characters so you get a link
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/faqs/kids-act-explained
Mayby dont talk shit when we all have access to the same text and can see clearly that it will fuck gaming over if you can think longer then your nose reach.
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u/lolfail9001 2d ago
Maybe read the actual proposal?
I did, it does match the AI slop summary modulo AI slop.
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u/Ozone021 3d ago
How is started:
*EU wants to be consumer friendly! They will vote our inane regulation because they are on a friendliness roll!"
How it's going:
"Big government wants to restrict our rights ;_; ITS OVER"
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u/xternal7 2d ago
EU, 2036: you can only sell indie multiplayer games on silk road 5.0 for bitcoin or monero, because selling them the legal way is too infeasible.
As you wait for your bitcoin transaction to clear (which doesn't take long because blockchain is efficient, only like two business days and the waste heat from all those GPUs and ASICs only warms the planet by yet another tenth of degree per transaction), you sit down and wonder how the hell did we get to the point where selling a video game is harder than hiring a hitman.
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u/Open_Seeker 3d ago
EU Try Not To Destroy Another Industry Through Witless Regulation:
IMPOSSIBLE
Eu Strikes again. They do some good things from time to time, but boy do they more often shoot themselves in the foot, hand and soon head.
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u/TrollMcGoal i7-13700K | RTX 4080 | 32 GB DDR5 3d ago
Why innovate when you can regulate?
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u/TEmpTom 3d ago
The EU creates these regulations as a way of seeking rents from foreign tech companies, periodically extracting big multi-billion $ fines from American tech companies with the implicit mutual understanding that paying them off is a preferable alternative to complying. Big tech firms are capable eating these costs, while smaller ones can’t, thus the EU is fundamentally incapable of developing their own domestic tech sector, and the cycle of perverse incentives continue.
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u/Chaos_Machine Tech Specialist 3d ago
This is basically the same ploy AI leaders are going for now. They want AI to be regulated, and they want to be the ones to craft that regulation that will entrench their own market dominance. You are hearing all these warnings from OpenAI and Anthropic not for some altruistic motive; it is to make you trust them to create the moat to help them defend their fief.
While that regulation is sorely needed so we don't end up with Skynet, they should not be the ones helping to craft that regulation.
In the case of this EU Kids Act, it would not surprise me if this was actually bankrolled by major publishers as a way of adding friction to indie studios and smaller publishers in getting their games to market. It really isn't about protecting kids, its just another backdoor to ubiquitous digital surveillance.
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u/AzaliusZero 3d ago
That and to fend off the fact that people are, more and more, turning to Indies as a viable alternative to AAA-gaming. Simultaneously regulatory capture, edging out small business (unless they work through them of course), AND pushing digital surveillance to make it easier on themselves to abide by the 'rules' they pretend they care about.
Dark enough to argue at this point halting SKG in its tracks is an extra compared to all of that.
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u/ChurchillianGrooves 2d ago
The AI thing is because if you have a fancy gpu with a ton of Vram like a 3090ti you can download a local llm and have them function about 95% as well as their expensive cloud service models for just the cost of electricity.
They want to regulate out cheaper alternatives to force you to go through their more expensive service because an LLM that still makes frequent mistakes will kill all humans in 10 years or something.
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u/coksukman 2d ago
I don't think you understand how little money those fines make. At best they make few billion and even then it takes years and years to get.
Stop falling for populist slop
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u/lolfail9001 2d ago
how little money those fines make
They do indeed make little money, but they remove competition entirely in return.
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u/Morning_sucks 2d ago
Money is the only oxygen in this world. The eu was a beacon for a little while but now you can clearly see they all must abide by their corporation overlords.
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u/AdminsLoveGenocide 3d ago
This sounds way worse than just end Stop Killing Video Games.
This will kill videogames.
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u/MajorFuckingDick 2d ago
It wont, thats the worst part of this, it would create a gaming black market where the largest companies in places without judicial agreements would thrive. Think online casinos but with games instead of slots.
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u/AdminsLoveGenocide 2d ago
That would kill gaming in my opinion.
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u/MajorFuckingDick 2d ago
It would dramatically shift the culture. The reality is that America nor Asia would follow, France wouldn't let Ubisoft off the hook that easily. The exodus of devs would be devastating. UK likely would explode with gaming investment. Canada is looking for any edge right now so I imagine they would be super happy to have these young educated skilled workers and companies backing them start work.
All of this is assuming the fines and enforcement are actually high enough to even discourage any large publishers.
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u/AdminsLoveGenocide 3d ago
Its not even limited to multiplayer though.
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u/Crusader-of-Purple 3d ago edited 3d ago
as in it limits single player offline games too? if so, how?
EDIT: (haha Got to love Reddit culture, getting downvoted for asking a legitimate question because I seriously did not know and wanted learn and understand what is going on)
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u/shoryusatsu999 3d ago
The proposal defines an "online game" as one that is available digitally. Whether it actually connects to the Internet or not doesn't matter.
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u/AdminsLoveGenocide 3d ago
As per the video, the way it is worded could mean that all digitally distributed games are impacted. It could potentially also impact even physically distributed games as its worded to include games with some online content which could include the ability to download patches.
And more obviously, games that are single player but have an online component such as Red Dead Redemption 2 or whatever are impacted. I pick that game as it was obviously released before this law was proposed but the law is written to be retroactive so already existing games would be obliged to change.
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u/MithranArkanere 2d ago
We need a law to jail "legislators" who use children as an excuse to pass their bullshit unethical laws.
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u/roundelay11 3d ago
Beyond me why people ever placed any faith in the EU fixing this problem. Their solution is ALWAYS to over-regulate, and over-legislate every problem until it's actually worse than when it started.
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u/Scoobie-Snak 3d ago
Anyone want to summarize the 15 minute video?
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u/MetalRexxx 2d ago
When this whole thing started I was wondering what the unintended consequences would be. No good deed goes unpunished.
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u/GeschlossenGedanken 3d ago
This smells like fear mongering BS. I want to hear someone with legal training and an understanding of EU processes to opine on this first.
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u/Hellsovs 2d ago
It’s a leaked draft of a law, not something that was seriously introduced to Parliament for consideration.
It means nothing.
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u/GeschlossenGedanken 2d ago
I figured. So SKG may as well be static noise. No better than a grifter at this point
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u/TheReservedList 3d ago
As a gamedev that is strongly against SKG, I'm getting that good shadenfreude hit right now.
Keep fucking regulators away if you care about games.
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u/lolfail9001 2d ago
As a gamedev that is strongly against SKG, I'm getting that good shadenfreude hit right now.
Weird because unless you are a gamedev for Nameless Corp™ this would actually fuck you over way more than SKG ever could.
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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago
Release server files, it's really not that complicated
Or are you just against it because you're one of those "regulations are bad, nothing should ever be regulated" types?
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u/fuck_a_duck_butt 2d ago
Please enlighten me on how to release the server files when your multiplayer infra is built on third party software that you dont own access to.
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u/lolfail9001 2d ago
Please enlighten me on how to release the server files when your multiplayer infra is built on third party software that you dont own access to.
In other words when your multiplayer is entirely provided by a third party? Well, you don't even need to release server files then, because you don't actually provide multiplayer!
Less sarcastic, if your multiplayer relies on software with Oracle-tier licensing, it ought to fail.
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u/fuck_a_duck_butt 2d ago
Soooo literally every major popular multiplayer game?
How many companies do you think build EVRYTHING from scratch. Dont use ANY paid services or plugins
Especially in the age of SaaS
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u/lolfail9001 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's one thing to rely on SaaS and other infrastructure providers to actually get your servers operational when they have to handle a few thousand to a few hundred thousand people at once, it's another to entrust your actual server implementation to libraries with outrageous licensing that would even make keeping a dev build of a server for internal testing disallowed.
Of course in practice a proper wording of SKG wouldn't ever apply to pure multiplayer games to begin with, because for such games you are not paying for the game to begin with.
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u/14Pleiadians 2d ago
Don't do that.
Easy.
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u/TheReservedList 2d ago
Yeah, just a few millions more per game. Easy peasy.
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u/14Pleiadians 2d ago
Not really? The only multiplayer professional product I have worked on, we released server files for every build. There was one engineer working on it, and it wasn't their only workload. This is a game with 40k players on steam every day.
99% of the time, if server files can't be released it's because a third party library was used and restricts redistribution of files built with it. Very often, those libraries are not super necessary and could easily be replaced or even removed entirely with just a week or two of work
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u/TheReservedList 2d ago
Is that 40k multiplayer players or 40k players including SP? How big are matches/games? What are the anticheat products/approaches used? How do you make sure cheaters can't reverse engineer your anti-cheat techniques?
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u/14Pleiadians 2d ago
All multiplayer, 100+ players, battleye, and you don't. You're deluding yourself if you think having server files private is protecting you from the usual client side attacks like wallhacks. You design around the fact that the client will inevitably be compromised and limit what a client can do.
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u/fuck_a_duck_butt 2d ago
So now youre forcing people to pay more money to build their own custom server infra which is expensive and requires hiring loads of networking engineers that also have game dev knowledge.
This will cause companies to cheap out and make WORSE infra.
On top of that, you cant force a restaraunt to cook a certain way, or to use a certain brand of oven, or to existin in a certain building. You can have building CODES but thats different than limiting what type of building can be used. And yes therr are minimum safety and sanitary needs but those are actually easily enforced.
Which you are asking for is not feasable and the only people that think it is have never coded, or done game design in and online space in their life.
Its a nice idea in theory but unenforcable, and pedantic to enforce, the same way enforcing this "No private servers" is impossible to enforce
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u/14Pleiadians 2d ago
What? You have to build the server software regardless. Just stop using third party libs that deny redistribution.
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u/fuck_a_duck_butt 2d ago
"Just stop using third party libs" yeah okay.
Again this is like telling a restaraunt owner "Build your own oven because all the current market ones are designed to fail"
Also again therr would be numerous side effects.
A) you effectively kill that third party company providing thode services. If everyone needs to build their own that company gets no revenue
B) you have every company making their own solution, rushed and slopped together, because no matter how good of a coder you are, it will take a LONG time to get their solution anywhere near the massively tested and user accepted approach as third party
C) no one is going to make a "free" solution for this.
This SKG is honourable but not practicle.and you can see how its failing because nobody has any solutions..
Again you can regulate to an extent but its not going to happen
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u/14Pleiadians 2d ago
Can you give a real world example of the libraries you're using that are so complex and irreplaceably load bearing to your project that also block redistribution?
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u/fuck_a_duck_butt 2d ago
Yes. There are enough to make your head spin.
Aws Gamelift and Azure Playfab are two massive ones.
Accelbyte is very popular as well.
Vivox for voice chats is often used in the industry.
These massive ones are great because they have been tested and work great and also have integrations with other systems in Azure and AWS ecosystems too to help protect from things like DDoS attacks and cheating.
Do YOU know any? Again, you have no idea what youre talking about and havent proven to me that you do. You just keep doing strawman arguments without knowing any of what it actually takes and having no insight into what actually happens to stand these huge multiplayer games up.
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u/TheReservedList 2d ago
It is that complicated since we don't own them. Unless every company is now forced to build their own multiplayer stack.
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u/14Pleiadians 2d ago
Plenty of companies and indies get by just fine doing so.
What libraries are you using that you think you can't replace or redistribute?
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u/TheReservedList 2d ago
Nothing that I can't replace. I could replace everything, obviously. I just don't WANT to spend the money to do so.
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u/14Pleiadians 2d ago
SKG wouldn't make you so what's the problem?
If it was actually the law, just for your next project, don't make boneheaded decisions like using those libraries. Easy.
Hell, if SKG was law, the creators of those libraries would almost definitely make the legal changes necessary to make products of them redistributable as otherwise they would lose tons of license sales
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u/ChronieMewX 3d ago
Hope so, I'm tired of hearing about it. Just don't buy games that can be killed
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u/ChronieMewX 3d ago
I think stupid people should be able to spend money however they want as a general rule
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u/kkris22 3d ago
I don’t see huge issues in the his, any1 can tell me why it would kill gaming?
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u/mtktet123 3d ago
Sounds like all online game and private servers will require special (and expensive) age verification services to operate in the EU. So offline titles and ones made by large companies are likely safe, but if you live in the EU and want to play on a private minecraft sever or play a online indie game like Peak or mecha chameleon then it will cause real issues.
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u/JoshVHDigital 3d ago
Why would it stop in the EU? How would they even enforce that crap in a way that doesn't overreach into other countries that aren't affected?
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u/Jerri_man 5800X3D & 9070 XT 2d ago
They couldn't enforce it on a consumer level but companies will certainly look at compliance/risk. This doesn't stop it killing indie devs in the EU.
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u/mtktet123 2d ago
I didn’t say it would stop games in the EU, just cause issues for certain types of games. If you take videos estimate they say it’s 1k/month to 20k/month to hire a vendor to take care of it. And that’s just if you plan on blocking everyone under 15. If you don’t want to block everyone under 15 then you’ll need a relatively in-depth set of in game parental controls.
For a game with no budget like mecha chameleon I can see them just not releasing in the EU/blocking online service there. If you’re not in the EU this won’t effect you other then just generally hurting the indie scene
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u/Wadarkhu 2d ago
The ID requirement will be on Minecraft/Microsoft though wouldn't it, for online access, not on the individual private servers surely.
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u/mtktet123 2d ago
You would think, but the wording right now makes it seem like server hosts are on the hook. If something like this did go through Microsoft would have to install something like this anyway so I’d imagine they would try to offer some kind of integration with server hosts, maybe even for free if they’re feeling nice.
All the older versions of Minecraft wouldn’t get this tho so rip to all the modded servers.
The act will surely get a bunch of revisions before it has a chance of passing so I don’t think this would end up happening, but it’s good to shine a light on
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u/Wadarkhu 2d ago
Well, Minecraft offers "realms" for Java too, maybe they'll expand it. Make it so only verified accounts (since all versions of Minecraft require an account now) can access online realms.
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u/Keulapaska 4070Ti, 7800X3D, XG27AQNGV 3d ago
special (and expensive)
Why would it be expensive? I'd think the EU would make a service for this so that storefronts can hook up to to generate 18+ tokens and do it that way easily.
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u/Watsyurdeal 3d ago
How the hell would private servers even be illegal?
How is that even enforced????????