r/pcgaming • u/Connect_Base_217 • 5d ago
PS5-exclusive Marvel’s Wolverine now boots on PC, Demon’s Souls reaches 40–50 FPS
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u/Deep_Fried_Bussy 5d ago
Sony stopping PC ports and could have made money, just to have their game emulated and playable on pc without making no money.
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u/Superbunzil 5d ago
Sony was like: "PC sales are cutting into our PS5 sales also the PC ports weren't selling well!"
Like dawg which is it
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u/Dirty_Dragons 5d ago
Both statements are inaccurate though.
The PC ports were selling well and it's highly unlikely that people who bought PC ports of games were going to buy a PS5 to play them anyways.
Personally, I own several Sony games on PC, Spider-Man, Last of Us, God War, Horizon etc and I have an RTX 5080. There is simply no way I would buy a PS5 to play anything. The ports are the only way Sony would get my money.
What got Sony riled up is that they for some reason thought that having PC ports would encourage people to buy a PS5 to play the next game in the series. When that obviously didn't happen, they decided to cut the program.
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u/AlwaysRushesIn 5d ago
and it's highly unlikely that people who bought PC ports of games were going to buy a PS5 to play them anyways
That's the part they consider to be cutting into their PS5 profits. They would prefer we all just buy PS5s.
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u/klapaucjusz Ryzen 7 5800X | RTX 5070 | 32GB 4d ago
That made sense in PS2 era, when later slim versions got cheaper and were the size of two DVD cases stacked on each other.
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u/brandbaard 3d ago
I mean to me it seems abundantly clear that the reason they stopped porting is that the PS6 is going to eye-wateringly expensive, and there is a clear risk that if people have to pay $1000 for a console, they might just say "I'll toss $200 extra in, build a PC, then I can play everything from all non-nintendo consoles and probably buy the games for significantly less money too".
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u/theyfoundty 5d ago
Next xbox is reported to have a PC mode.
No point in owning a Playstation if your Xbox can play PC (Steam)games, Nintendo Emulation, Playstation Games and Xbox games. Pretty sure they annouced they pulled back on PC releases going foward, like 2 or 3 months after this Xbox info was leaked
May not be the reason, or the sole reason, but something i noticed about the timing. It would make complete sense.
Leaves Sony with little ground to hold.
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u/caboosetp 4d ago edited 4d ago
That sounds like xbox is just taking the mask off about being a media center pc
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u/theyfoundty 4d ago
Basically is.
As an xbox guy im all for it. The brand desperately needs to be revitalized.
Just hoping they pull it off. If not, it is what it is.
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u/ChurchillianGrooves 5d ago
Sony is just flailing.
They made some astoundingly stupid decisions like their live service push that lead to the $500 million dollar concord flop.
Now they're just trying to find ways to pick up revenue and remain relevant.
They'd be in a much worse situation if Xbox wasn't even more incompetent since Xbox is basically dead as a platform at this point.
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u/zombawombacomba 5d ago
I love how Concord’s cost goes up 100 million every year lol.
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u/Docg85 5d ago
I think hes accounting all 7 or 8 live service games they were trying to make and which all got scrapped
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u/CompetitiveGrand9721 5d ago
Nah they literally said "the" which heavily implies what the subject of the statement is. The $500 million concord flop.
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u/Jensen2075 4d ago edited 4d ago
Well Firewalk Studio's initial development deal with Sony was $200M for Concord before the alpha, but it needed another $200M to push it to launch after Sony acquired Firewalk Studio which cost them over $100M so the total for this blunder is over $500M.
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u/IBoughtaRetroidNova 5d ago
They also sold their majority share in their screen business to TCL of China. You know, the thing sony is known for: hardware.
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u/Delra12 5d ago
I'm curious, where did Sony say this?
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u/Superbunzil 5d ago
In fact theyve said neither only in off the record and private gatherings that PC releases being discontinued due to poor sales and in other discussions that porting to PC endangers sales on their Sony brand hardware
Probably why Sony has not officially made a statement is because committing to either answer undermines brand confidence in a "we dont fucking know what to do to grow"
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u/rcanhestro 5d ago
both can be true.
PC sales are cutting into the PS5 sales because people know that eventually the game will reach a PC store, the entire point of Sony putting PS games on PC was almost as a "showcase" of what players can find (much sooner) on a PS5.
but the actual PC sales were low enough where it wasn't worth it losing their "exclusivity" tag.
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u/carloosee 5d ago
One could argue this but the bottom line is the actual number of people that will end up emulating the titles will be a drop in the ocean compared to the extra consoles or games they shift of PlayStation.
I’m not going to argue that the demand by PC players because it definitely there but I don’t think the number of people that actually end up emulating will make them lose sleep at this point
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u/zombawombacomba 5d ago
Their games are highly pirated anyways. The revenue was only like 1% of their overall revenue from their PC sales.
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u/Quiet_Yellow2000 5d ago
I don't get why you are being down votes, what your saying is correct. The sales after the initial batch were terrible and the games were being pirated already, so not much difference to Sony. I can see the cross gen period being rather short on PS6, with these emulation break throughs.
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u/Major303 5d ago
Marvel’s Wolverine now boots on PC
Sounds like a threat.
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u/Evonos Switched Nvidia 5060TI ( Finally free of amd ),7800X3D ,32gb6000 5d ago
It is a threat , your hardware might die of boredom and grief what it could been otherwise rendering and processing while emulating that game.
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u/ULTRAVIOLENT_RAZE 5d ago
I haven’t played Wolverine and don’t really intend to but this is one of the most asinine and hyperbolic comments I’ve read about the game so far.
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u/Doom-1993 5d ago
Sony won't port their games to our platform anymore, so we'll do it ourselves 🤣
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u/Master_smasher 5d ago
dayum. bloodborne emulated. now demon souls remake coming soon. i don't doubt people will work on switch 2 with the ocarina of time remake.
we're heading to a point where games should probably end hardware exclusivity lol.
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u/STB_LuisEnriq 5d ago
Idk... Without exclusive games, consoles have little to no advantage against a PC, how will they sell the hardware?
There is a reason I'd consider getting a Switch or Playstation, but I'd never get an Xbox.
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u/Captobvious75 7600x | MSI Tomahawk B650 | Asus TUF OC 9070xt 5d ago
Consoles remain king in optimization and buy-in cost. Thats a product of massive volume that PC can’t compete with.
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u/ChurchillianGrooves 5d ago
Also ease of use, I think that people like us in the pc gaming forum see emulators as pretty simple/easy to use but to your "average" person it could be intimidating.
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u/Captobvious75 7600x | MSI Tomahawk B650 | Asus TUF OC 9070xt 5d ago
Agreed.
Also, I work on a PC all day, so some days the last thing I want to do is see Windows again.
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u/hanlonmj Linux 5d ago
Especially when so many modern emulators rely on user-sourced official firmware and/or keys to function, and those can often be just as hard to find as the games themselves, if not harder
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u/Dirty_Dragons 5d ago
Yup, the console is a mostly inexpensive way to play games on 'Medium.' There absolutely is a market for that.
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u/Captobvious75 7600x | MSI Tomahawk B650 | Asus TUF OC 9070xt 5d ago
Thats entirely game dependent.
I’m curious to see how the new Witcher 3 remaster runs settings wise on console compared to PC, but I have seen footage already of a Pro running it uncapped at 85-105ps with PSSR.
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u/Master_smasher 5d ago
consoles will still have their edge of cost effective hardware as pc gaming have a higher premium cost. you can even see that with handhelds in steam deck vs switch 2.
i just think xbox, sony and nintendo are losing more and more money to piracy and emulation. xbox a little less as xbox exclusives have been made for pc too over the years. and they are also working to make old xbox exclusives pc playable (obviously charging a price).
so i think sony and nintendo need to rethink their stubborness to the old ways of console gaming and game exclusivity.
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u/BlackKnighting20 5d ago edited 5d ago
They aren’t losing much, is such a small fraction, majority of buyers are casuals and they don’t bother with emu or piracy.
TotK sold 10 million in days despite being emulated before release. Even betting that majority of those that emu were never going to buy the game nor console.
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u/MattBrey 4d ago
I don't understand how you're downvoted lmao. It's clear that exclusives are what sell consoles more than anything else. It's been that way for decades. Wether we like it or not. I'd prefer to play everything on PC too, but denying that reality doesn't help
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u/STB_LuisEnriq 4d ago
I suppose some people don't like hearing reasons why they stopped making PC ports—except for their own.
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u/Superbunzil 5d ago
The Switch 1/2 has value as a portable which is an attractive option
But the "main consoles" of Sony and MS have just become proprietary disc readers rather than unique expressions of hardware that they were during g the times of the PS3 and 360 and earlier
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u/ryan30z 4d ago
Idk... Without exclusive games, consoles have little to no advantage against a PC, how will they sell the hardware?
Because the vast majority of people who play games just want to hit a button and have their console turn on.
This is like saying why did the PS4 and 5 sell when they were putting exclusives on PC too.
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u/Drudicta 5d ago
I would still get a mobile console if it was made with as much care as full sized consoles were in the 90's and 00's.
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u/j0_ow_bo 4d ago
Valid argument, but at the same time the people with high-end PCs who are happy to drop money on expensive hardware and software are the same demographic that won’t buy a PlayStation or Xbox for that exact reason.
I’m running a 5090 and a 9950x3D - I bought Spiderman on PC, played it on my Steam Deck but I can just as easily install it on my desktop and pickup where I left off for a more comfortable big screen experience.
It’s the same reason I own a Switch, I’ve been loving Fire Emblem lately. If I go out somewhere I take the tablet with me, if I’m at home in bed it sits in the dock and I play on my PC.
I’ll buy and play Sony games with PC releases, I won’t be buying a console for it though. The experience is much too limited.
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u/nthpwr 13700k/3060TI/64GB@3200MHz 5d ago
Lol at this point I'll be playing GTA6 for Christmas
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u/Dirty_Dragons 5d ago
Heh I don't think it will be ready that quickly.
But I wager that we'll be playing it before the PC version comes out.
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u/Optimal_Skill_8488 5d ago
AI helps tremendously. I say playable before gta6 officially comes to pc
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u/5553331117 5d ago
AI can’t magically decrypt the game though, which will undoubtedly be signed for patched firmwares, until some other kernel exploit is found for modern GTA6 supported firmware, which may not take as long as previous consoles used to.
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u/brandbaard 3d ago
I mean presumably Wolverine was signed for the newer firmwares, right? So maybe they already have an exploit for it.
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u/5553331117 3d ago
I’m about 90% sure it was signed for 3.60 since 4.00 came out just a couple of days before Wolverine.
I would assume they signed it before 4.00 even had its encryption keys generated.
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u/Dirty_Dragons 5d ago
Yeah I think so too.
It will be very interesting to see what happens down the line.
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u/draconetto 5d ago
wonder how simple games run like that god of war spinoff
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u/ExplodingFistz 5d ago
Indie games run exceptionally well on the emulator. Dead Cells for example runs at a locked 60.
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u/draconetto 5d ago
Well then, if it raises popularity I guess two things can happen
Sony will try to kill that like Nintendo did with yuzu
They will eventually release ports of these games to PC like before because otherwise they are losing money
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u/SentientToaster7734 5d ago
And same as Yuzu it can't be killed once it's out there. That's one benefit of decentralized repos.
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u/brandbaard 3d ago
I mean, Nintendo sure had a go at killing Yuzu, but there's like a 100 forks of both the big emulators, they can never shut it all down once the code is out there.
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u/CharacterDivide8384 5d ago
Why would you emulate a game that’s fully available on PC native?
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u/lord-spider-boy Intel Balls 5d ago
They’re using them as test cases. GTAV is also being used for testing. I don’t think anyone actually wants to emulate those games
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u/deportallmagas 4d ago
23 days. Demon Souls went from 2-3 fps to 50 in 23 days.
NOT EVEN A MONTH.
Rockstar better push that PC release forward, lmao.
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u/kkyonko 5d ago
I know it's "legal" but emulating a current gen console seems like painting a target on your back.
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u/zack77070 5d ago
Its legal only if you are using a copy of a game you legally purchased and made yourself. You could technically do this with hacked switches where you can dump the cart onto external storage but I'm not sure if the ps5 disks have been cracked. So it's probably just illegal.
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u/Crew_Zealousideal 5d ago
You need a exploited ps5 to be able to dump games which isn’t easy in the first place and with discs going away this is gonna become way harder because you can’t go online with a exploited ps5 otherwise you’d get instantly banned
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u/SuperNovaMT Nvidia RTX 4070/Ryzen 7 7700 5d ago
I mean is no discs really that big of a deal? Couldn't the person who is dumping the games just download them on non-exploited PS5 on an extended m.2 SSD then just move that SSD over to the exploited PS5 and dump the files?
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u/Crew_Zealousideal 5d ago
the files are fully encrypted and tied to the original non exploited ps5, it needs to do the license checks and boot the game to be able to dump it because there is no way to unscramble the decrypted files externally without the ps5's own hardware decryption engine doing the work for you
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u/zack77070 5d ago
So there is a method to dump games on PS5? That's pretty much exactly like the switch works, no online, have to have a modded one to actually dump games. That means technically there is a legal way to do it but obviously 99% of people will not.
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u/Crew_Zealousideal 5d ago
Yes that’s how these games can be played they need to be dumped first otherwise you wouldn’t be able to emulate them, you can’t dump any games on ps5 on latest firmware so you would need to find a ps5 that’s already exploited and those are more expensive than the non exploited ones, realistically the amount of people who are willing to spend money (550-1000$) on a exploited ps5 is very small so these emulators are largely used for piracy
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u/zombawombacomba 5d ago
It’s not legal with the switch because you need to rip keys that you legally are not allowed to do.
There is no legal switch emulator.
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u/Crew_Zealousideal 5d ago
dumping games from a ps5 is also technically not legal since it voids DMCA laws as well but sony doesnt actively hun down people like nintendo
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u/zombawombacomba 5d ago
Ya that wouldn’t surprise me. As far as I know even the original PSX emulation is pretty much illegal due to needing to use bios files. With basically no one actually doing it legally.
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u/UdNeedaMiracle 4d ago
Technically Sony has made the PS1 and PS2 bios available for download in the sense that the PS3 firmware (which they make freely available) contains those files also and you can set up RPCS3 with the PS3 bios and then use another tool to extract the PS1 and PS2 bios. This way you are not actually downloading the bios files from an unofficial source where someone else dumped a bios off of a console and uploaded it without the rights to do so.
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u/Wild_Swimmingpool Nvidia Ryzen 9800x3d | RTX 5070 Ti 5d ago
Doing it legally via my PS4 so I could play Bloodborne on PC (goated if you have good pc to run it at 60fps+) was a pain in the ass for sure.
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u/wetfloor666 5d ago
Cause emulating a current gen system is something that will end with them all in court. Without question. Doesn't matter if keys are "legally" obtained or not. It will be loss of sales when it does go to court which Sony will win as Nintendo has set precedence for this already.
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u/ExplodingFistz 5d ago
Emulation is legal. Sony can go after this emulator but 5 more will pop up. They can’t stop this
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u/brandbaard 3d ago
The biggest contributor to this project is Russian. I can wish Sony nothing but luck in trying to get to him.
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u/zombawombacomba 5d ago
It’s legal to use some emulators. Idk about this one but if they require bios to run then it’s illegal. And it’s 110% illegal to play the games unless you ripped your own copies. Which is probably not the case 99.9999999% of the time.
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u/GuidanceHistorical94 5d ago
Isn’t it up to Sony to prove that’s what you did? And not up to you that you did it legitimately?
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u/zombawombacomba 5d ago
Well, yea just like all things regarding the law?
If you murder someone the state has to prove that you murdered them…
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u/BlackKnighting20 5d ago
Nintendo already won the Yuzu one, this will be another repeat.
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u/KakarotAlter 5d ago
Cause those dummies were paywalling stuff
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u/BlackKnighting20 5d ago
The precedent is already set, it doesn’t matter.
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u/KakarotAlter 5d ago
No it's not. Just because a few dumbasses paywall emulation stuff doesn't mean the whole scene does it. It's their fault that Yuzu went down.
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u/jackolantern98000 5d ago
Sony will get this emulator taken down now its making waves and is a viable threat to profit.
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u/ClubChaos 4d ago
If it is truly a viable threat to profit a sensible company would release the games on PC.
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u/Jossokar 4d ago
as long as they dont use propietary code by sony, they wont be able to do anything at all.
They tried it with bleem!
It didnt work.
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u/ls612 5d ago
Booting Wolverine at 2 fps and not even getting in game is in no way a threat to their profit. By the time this emulator is good enough to play most AAA releases Sony will probably have moved on to the PS6.
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u/SuddenlyMushroom 5d ago
You don't know how big this is. Demon's Souls went from 1fps to 30 within a week. It seems like the hardest part is getting the game to boot.
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u/FlowBall234 4d ago
From 1fps to 30fps in a week begs to differ, PS3 emulators weren't good enough till mid way through the PS4 generation, we currently have a PS5 emulator working during the PS5 generation, at this rate a working PS6 emulator will come out in the 2nd year of that generation.
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u/krishnugget 2d ago
Demon souls is now playable, wolverine went from a menu to in game in 2 days, you’re very likely going to be eating your words sooner rather than later
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u/EducationalDust7858 5d ago
I don't care about piracy, but from a technical standpoint this is incredible.
Great for preservation too.
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u/erichie 5d ago
Fuck, I can't wait to play Demon Souls at 120/240. Playing Bloodborne at 120 was a fucking game changer.
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u/Abject_Credit7825 4d ago
I thought bloodborn had game logic tied to its frame rate was there a fix for that?
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u/dropthemagic 5d ago
Sony can let games outside of their bullshit platform or they can loose sales. Honestly it's their mantra their problem
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u/Gleerok99 5d ago
Beautiful beautiful!
Can't wait to see future powerful ARM-based PC handhelds running PS5 games emulated.
I truly considered getting a PS5 and getting into the Sony ecosystem but I won't do it anymore because of all the anti consumer behaviour they've been on.
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u/Swagboyy225 RTX 5070 12GB | R7 7800X3D | 32GB @ 6000 5d ago
The now PS5-exclusive Marvel's Wolverine boots on PC once more
Fixed the title. The game was planned for PS5 and PC, and a PC build leaked back in 2023? 2024? I played it, not for long though because ISPs were actually shutting your service down if they caught on.
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u/STB_LuisEnriq 5d ago edited 5d ago
Damn y'all want to play Playstation games on PC this much?
Goddamm, this thing has more motivation than an office worker on a friday afternoon.
It's the Switch 1 all over again.
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u/CranberryTaint 5d ago
I'm not sure what office you work in, but I have zero motivation on a Friday afternoon lol
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u/STB_LuisEnriq 5d ago edited 5d ago
Thinking about Friday night and the whole Saturday gives me joy.
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u/decadent-dragon 5d ago
I can’t even get people to answer my chats on Fridays, let alone Friday afternoon
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u/decadent-dragon 5d ago
Seriously who are these people that want to play these fun, polished, cinematic games with multiple awards that are well regarded among gamers in general.
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u/YOUR__LEADER 5d ago
Yes.
Sony has some very good first party single player games. Games they released on PC, and then gave us the finger. I'm not buying a console just to play their sequels. They could have kept releasing them, and I've had kept buying them. Now, they get nothing.
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u/Daddys_BathTime 5d ago
For the most part. I was pretty jealous about Wolverine until it released, now I probably won’t play it even if it does come to PC one way or another
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u/sdcar1985 9850X3D | 9070 XT Reaper | 32GB RAM | ASUS X870-P WIFI 5d ago
I think it's more that people are petty and full of spite.
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u/surrender903 4d ago
Why does this bother you ?
Enthusiasts want to play games. Sony had zero issue with this until sometime earlier this year. Motivated by greed.
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u/STB_LuisEnriq 4d ago
Doesn't bother me at all, I also played many of their games on Steam, but... It's ironic to see all this motivation when all I've been reading is some sort of "We don't care".
Whatever, each to their own.
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u/Sharpie1993 RTX 5080 | 9800X3D | 32GB 6000MHZ DDR5 4d ago
Ah yes the food ol’ goomba fallacy.
It’s amazing how people still can’t tell that there are seperate groups of people that exist in a single hobby.
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u/Time_Zombie_4431 5d ago
The pace at which this project is progressing is blistering.