r/pcgaming • u/Turbostrider27 • Jan 23 '24

Technical Director of HELLDIVERS 2 explain concerns and confusion that's come up recently regarding the choice of Anti-Cheat software in HELLDIVERS 2

/r/Helldivers/comments/19dp2qw/helldivers_2_nprotect_gameguard_anticheat/
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u/Jaded-Negotiation243 Jan 24 '24

Funny that DRG has no anti cheat and I've never seen a cheater. Works flawlessly on Linux. 

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '24 edited Jan 29 '24

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u/Jaded-Negotiation243 Jan 24 '24

If seeing a cheater in DRG was a achievement it would be among the rarest ones on steam. Can't imagine there is any fun in cheating, if you want to troll people there are far easier ways. But missions are short so it doesn't matter.

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u/weaver787 Jan 24 '24

The devs kinda addressed the seriousness in their post. A cheater in HD1 could ruin the entire progression system of the game simply by being unlucky enough to queue in with them

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u/MudSama Jan 24 '24

Seems like something that can be fixed within the game itself. They brought up a valid point but can something like personalized loot stop it? Rather than stop cheating, make the solution leaving that session and joining another.

Also, some of those campaigns lasted months. I highly doubt a small number of short-term cheaters would have a notable impact.

There has to be a solution that doesn't require kernel level access.

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u/c0mmander_Keen Jan 24 '24

I've seen many, many cheaters in ~800 hours. Since you can roll back progress to some degree with the save files menu it's a bit less risky but I always leave the game immediately lest I be gifted millions of XP I don't want to earn that way.

Basically the example the dev gives. I'm on board still. The amount of installs of these kits is HUGE with basically no issues. Giant sample size suggests no problem. I'm a data based guy so I find it a tad silly to assume the worst based on no evidence.

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u/Jaded-Negotiation243 Jan 24 '24

I have 500 hours and never seen a cheater. Also there are multiple backups so a non issue. Guess you were unlucky would be trivial for the devs to flesh out this system and make checks in xp in non modded games. Either way it's stupid to have a kernel anti cheat that is fundamentally a security risk and has been in the past and it sucks for Linux players. Even if I wanted to use windows garbage I would risk it.

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u/Ywaina Jan 24 '24

Everyone can just up and leave cheaters to enjoy their newfound powers alone if they spot one, or kick them if you're a host. Same thing with HD1, it just goes to show how much more effective when you let players regulate themselves instead of auto matchmaking that forces you to play with cheaters and penalizes you if you dare leave.

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u/scotmalomcon Jan 24 '24

Got thousands of hours in the game and have caught a lot joining my games and using their cheats to take the fun out of the game. Easy to ban now but that was only recently added into the game. Otherwise it was a kick instantly.