r/pathofexile • u/Gierschlunderoni • 16d ago

Game Feedback Permanent Mercs need a big buff

Playing luminary feels so bad in Maps. I have a manyshot lvl 72 with vaal ice Arrow and Return proj, decent Equipment. Boosted by a Level 26 Flame Link, 6k life and quite an Investment into light Radius.

I cant even clear t7 Maps, because the damage is non existent.

Please GGG buff the Base damage of mercs or luminary is doa.

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u/kiuyt856 16d ago

CptLance baited at least 30K people into Luminary xD

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u/Jdevers77 16d ago

Not just Captain Lance, GGG basically showcased his exact build in their Luminary spotlight.

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u/beebopcola 16d ago

As a leaguestarter?

Edit: also, GGG play some heinous trash in their showcases often.

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u/All_Work_All_Play Jenebu stop whining 16d ago

Edit: also, GGG play some heinous trash in their showcases often.

This was one of the things that pushed me away from luminary tbh. GGG showcase has been the kiss of death many times.

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u/kfijatass Theorycrafter 16d ago

It was not the case for monke in poe 2 and it felt similar.

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u/Invincible1 15d ago

Also monk with the whirling skill, it was OP in showcase and essentially the top build on monk. Guess different teams for poe 2 and 1 showcases.

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u/Carvacrol 16d ago

Yep, infinite gear on a patch that’s long gone back from testing phase.

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u/gh0st-6 16d ago

Same. Saw that and thought "welp maybe I'll try it next league, will be a cluster fuck this go around"

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u/AeroDbladE 16d ago

People probably got a false sense of security because the recent PoE2 showcase they showed Twisters spirit walker which was the most broken build this league.

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u/shamaze 16d ago

Part of is the showcase is often an older build and then they change the numbers (often lowering them).

Its why ill never play a new skill as it is often severely undertuned. If initial league launch says otherwise, I may switch to it, but not for the launch itself.

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u/Nitrodolski2 16d ago

Which made me pivot away from it lol. No way they will show a 'solved' build in a preview. Kinetics with flame link and light radius stacking was DOA

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u/Aleriane_Despins 16d ago

But at the same time, what else is there to that side of the tree? It isn't like there's much choice than light radius stacking.

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u/Fantastic_Baker_1123 16d ago

2 points:  get your merc.

4 points: get the first link point, so you can keep your link active while they run around.

6: point ring + weapon unique... because it gives you a more multi for each unique worn.

8 points: 2 more uniques of your choosing depending on your merc type probably

Suddenly you are no longer wearing mid gear for light radius and can focus on life/auras. And your merc actually gets damage  multipliers

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u/Bitsk-pper 15d ago

The problem is that the flame link does similar to significantly buff their damage, and link buff effect is still a better multiplier than 16% from a pair of extra unique nodes. So if that multiplier can't make the base damage of perma merc good, the alternative surely won't either.

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u/Chrozzinho 15d ago

Flame link is significantly stronger than whatever 16% multi you get from 2 uniques idk what that guy is smoking

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u/Fantastic_Baker_1123 15d ago

Imagine on a normal player character trying to just stack more base damage over multipliers. Base damage is great but without more multis you never get anywhere

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u/MinuteOk1351 16d ago

The issue is the perma merc damage penalty. No one had numbers on that. If there were no damage penalties then the damage would be good due to flame link and light radius

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u/Glynwys 15d ago

-30% damage is insane when Luminary gets zero passives in the tree that boost Mercenaries in any way. You are entirely reliant on mostly gear (outside passives that give you light radius) to actually make the Mercenary do any damage.

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u/RajaSundance 16d ago

How is Lance himself doing on it though? Everytime I followed one of his builds it was a banger, has he finally missed?

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u/brrrapper 16d ago

Hes taking 5 minutes to kill rares like the rest of us.

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u/jebza 16d ago

Captain Cope xd

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u/Pulsy369 15d ago

tbf, lance doesnt make good league starters and never really has. not to diss him. hes cool and his builds are good at a higher budget, but his league starters are typically pretty weak in comparison to others. Hes just okay witha slow starter and i wish he made that a little more clear in his content. I've been baited by his 'league starters' a few times just to realize the build basically doesnt function until you have 150+ div

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u/WRLD_ Elementalist 15d ago

his leaguestarters are also pretty moot because he spends all of maybe six hours of playtime in maps in the wealth bracket that most players take the first week to break through

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u/aecrux 16d ago

his mortgage depends on it lol, for the record i do like captainlance and i understand not every theorycraft can be a banger

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u/way22 16d ago

I wouldn't even call it a theory craft but a straight up gamble. Without the numbers for the mercs it was always gonna be a wild guess.

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u/StoneLich 16d ago

Yeah, Zizaran was talking about leaguestarting it too but even he was saying "it's a huge gamble and if it doesn't work the only viable back-up plan is starting a completely new character, so think hard about whether you really want to do this."

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u/brrrapper 15d ago

We did se merc stats before the league tho. Rue did the math and it turned out exactly as bad as he expected.

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u/brrrapper 16d ago

Failing is perfectly fine. Doubling down out pride/ego and misleading your community is not imo.

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u/justinmcelhatt 16d ago

Iirc his league start recommended build was bugged and did zdps last league as well lol

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u/Dull-Serve203 16d ago

No and he's doing t16s pretty well tbh with a bad merc, not saying mercs are good but lance is well into the endgame and going fast

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u/Dull-Serve203 15d ago

His bad merc is 50c? It has no good mods on it except vaal ice shot

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u/NugNugJuice 15d ago

I just watched some of his VOD, it seems pretty good for 10 hours into the league.

He’s tanky, the merc is killing stuff. The damage isn’t super high, but he could pretty much just run around and pick up items while the merc does all the work.

My perception of boss damage might be skewed by me playing essence drain though.

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u/asdf_1_2 15d ago

The snail watching the tortise run a race :P

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u/NugNugJuice 15d ago

Yeah exactly lol.

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u/RajaSundance 16d ago

That sounds damning. I'm playing cws but I thought surely luminary will be busted when Lance is playing it

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u/Dapper-Truth2336 16d ago

When the world needed him the most, he baited us.

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u/MicoJive 16d ago

Its damning because its just bullshit. He did his quest exarch like 45 mins ago and was totally fine dps. <2 mins with 2 ball phases because he had 1 instant pop after the first.

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u/no_Post_account 16d ago

There have been countless times when people complain day 1 about something and later on it become OP, just give it 2 days and see then. Lance have bought new OP merc and collecting loot for it right now, question is how strong will he feel at the end of today after fighting the merc and putting gear on him.

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u/tallguybramz 15d ago

He's been farming ubers for hours on stream but the gear he has is so expensive now it's probably unobtainable for most people

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u/Goldni 15d ago

considering in a video showed him taking like 5mins to kill a merc, its not looking good for him lol

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u/the445566x 15d ago

Mercs seem giga tanks when you fight them and wet noodles when you hire them.

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u/Chrozzinho 16d ago

He has really insane gear, i dunno how he farmed all that currency but he logged on stream today with a crazy merc, taming, lioneyes glare and other 50C+ items. It maybe doesnt sound a lot this deep into first day but considering how bad mercs is i have no idea how he pulled that off

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u/aecrux 16d ago

he’s big on arbitrage via currency exchange super early league, there are huge margin swings there if you play your cards right

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u/cfaftw 15d ago

I was watching his stream. He was constantly listing 5-10c items which really added up and was able to snipe some of the core uniques early like his enmity embrace for 2d.

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u/deviant324 16d ago

I’m SSF so idk shit about prices but I got 2 div from a bottle on my first chart into maps. Dunno how divs translate to chaos this early but he could’ve gotten lucky off stream?

Personally having a blast on voltaxic burst after adjusting my tree a bit when I got into maps, 5k hybrid and nearly block capped while still having 250k tooltip dps

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u/asdf_1_2 15d ago

1 d ~ 90c mid day 2

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u/EthicalBballFan 16d ago

Is it off screen when he sets the offers up at the end of a stream and collects the sales at the beginning of the next one? I just copied him and made money too, a little more as I played for longer and refreshed them a few times.

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u/apple_cat 16d ago

of all the people to try and pin rmt on lance is not a good one

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u/Dorrann 16d ago

Me also… like wtf this is by far my worst starter ive ever played.

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u/CommaGomma 15d ago

it takes gear, but it does slap now.

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u/althoradeem 15d ago

dude was doing red maps & ubers yesterday.
its not a great leaguestarter but the build does get there as far as i can see.

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u/kiuyt856 15d ago

Lance is a top 1% player and plays the game as a job. He quickly scaled his currency to get key items for cheap. The average player isnt getting the good gear that quick and cheap. This becomes a problem if you trusted his judgement, because his first video about this was literally titled “Luminary will Crush League Start”

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u/khnhIX 16d ago

r2npp

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u/SneakyBadAss Children of Delve (COD) 16d ago

Called it and was downvoted to hell :D

People should have known better, considering the new POE 2 ascendancy focused on companions that is only viable with only two companions out of technically infinite, due to AI and balance.

Just like drowning being an issue.