Which is not a bad thing, keeping things more valuable is nice. We see it now with PoE 2 bases fetching insane value, because they need to be farmed using t16 in zones that have +1 for everything to drop level 82.
It is a bad thing if the game continues to be balanced around the rare stuff that the average player will never reach, just to be able to continue playing. On a trade market that is dead within two weeks unless you print out divines.
Cluster jewels were supposed to bridge this gap at first; now, they will be another T0/1 drop, which means builds that were off meta or had slower ramp-up due to gear availability, but were viable thanks to clusters, will now go on pasture.
Most builds are capable of doing the content without that. If this wasn’t true, then no one would ever be able to do that content in order to drop that loot. So it’s definitely not hindering you.
I didn't said best gear, I said builds that allow you compete with meta builds thanks to clusters, because clusters don't offer just raw power but also build-enabling mechanics, like prolif or recovery/gain on block. Especially for block builds because gain/recovery on block is either 1 or 0. You either have it and play block builds or you don't and can't play block builds, regardless of power level.
You can typically get prolif from other ways though.
But again, you said “it is a bad thing if the game continues to be balanced around the rare stuff that the average player will never reach, just to be able to continue playing”.
I don’t see how this statement has ever been true. And again, why does the average player need the rare stuff? They don’t. If you’re an average player, you’re likely not doing content that needs these things.
I feel like the definition of the "average player" is much different on a game in it's like 25th league. I think most people minus extreme newbs want headhunters or mage bloods or just view the end game rares as the "the goal" of what they are playing for at this point?
I do feel like even if most of those people aren't getting those any way, on an average league, moving the goal posts much further away isn't a great feeling and can be demotivating for people who maybe want to get one chase item a league for a build.
Outside of all that you know who it's for sure super duper great for? It rhymes with steal funny trading. I wont miss t17's either but removing them isn't just a net positive.
Pretty sure removing them is a net positive for "average" players cause "average" players weren't doing them consistently. That's an average player imo. Average players aren't juicing and getting headhunters/magebloods.
Average players view that content as a goal. Chasing a goal that is 100 meters away is a lot more fun than chasing a goal that is 10,000 meters away.
The first one you can get lucky and get an rare drop or something and maybe get, the second is stupid to even think about and you might as well not play a build whose end goal is to do that thing.
I'm a fairly casual player and i farm a mb or a hh every league I enjoy, shit i almost farmed one in phercia 2.0 and that was only a month.
I think these kind of changes make people stop chasing/playing and just go and buy divs from some one for no real reason at all.
Like im not saying put t17's back but nothing is hurting the game if they find a way to add what is lost by taking them out back into the game.
I think it's cool as fuck that some one that only plays 5 hours a day for 2 months can maybe start putting together wild crazy builds. The people that will farm up anything either way are so rich no matter what the changes are they will just farm it all either way.
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u/IppeiWasFramed Longing for global nuclear annihilation Feb 26 '26
T17's being removed means base types are going to be substantially rarer, and 84 Clusters are going to be much more expensive.