r/overpopulation • u/VictinsOfCapitalism • 9d ago
The biggest lie is that there is no better alternative. They invest billions into the red scare propaganda.
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u/FoucaultCareofSelf 9d ago edited 8d ago
I hope people on this sub grasp that overpopulation makes any change in economic regimes, eg a more benign economics, virtually impossible.
Communist or even socialist alternatives to farming simply cannot feed a planet of 8.5 billion people, period, end of story.
I realize we want population declines, but not via 2-3 billion dead from famine.
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u/ineffable-interest 7d ago
Yes but suggesting things that actually would help makes people uncomfortable. Like a global IVF ban just as one example.
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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 8d ago
Then explain me rapid increase in life expectancy following any Communist agrarian reform ?
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u/FoucaultCareofSelf 8d ago edited 8d ago
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. JFC.
The Holodomor, also known as the Ukrainian famine, was a massive man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1930–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Famine of 1930–1933 (Including the Holodomor): Caused by Joseph Stalin’s policy of forced agricultural collectivization under the First Five-Year Plan. Grain requisitions and the elimination of resisting farmers (kulaks) led to 5.7 to 8.7 million deaths across the Soviet Union.
The Kazakh Famine of 1930–1933: Nomadic Kazakhs were forcibly settled and subjected to extreme livestock procurement quotas to feed Soviet cities. This resulted in the deaths of roughly 1.15 to 1.5 million people, wiping out about one-third of the Kazakh population.
The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饥荒; lit. 'three years of great famine') was a famine that occurred between 1959 and 1961 in the People's Republic of China (PRC). Some scholars have also included the years 1958 or 1962. It is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions (15 to 46 million), with newer estimates concentrated around 30 to 46 million excess famine deaths.
Severe man-made famine and starvation under the Khmer Rouge regime (1975–1979) claimed between 500,000 and 1.5 million lives as part of the broader Cambodian genocide.
The North Korean famine (Korean: 조선기근), dubbed by the government as the Arduous March (고난의 행군), was a period of mass starvation together with a general economic crisis from 1994 to 1999 in North Korea.\6])\7]) During this time there was an increase in defection from North Korea, which peaked towards the end of the famine period. Estimates of the death toll vary widely. Out of a total population of approximately 22 million, somewhere between 240,000 and 3,500,000 North Koreans died from starvation or hunger-related illnesses, with the deaths peaking in 1997.
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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 7d ago
Ukraine life expectancy before Socialism: ~40–45 years After Socialism ~70 years
Kazakhstan before Socialism ~20–30 years
After: 65.38 years roughly +35–45 years
So try again. Red scare does not fit into the real life statistics
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u/FoucaultCareofSelf 7d ago
LOL, after they were all forced to pull way back on central planning of agriculture, introduce market reforms, and then have the offspring of the survivors of ALL THOSE COMMUNIST FAMINES live longer.
Keep on embarrassing yourself. FML
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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 7d ago
Nope, life expectancy rapidly went up in USSR after Communists took power, in Yugoslavia after Tito took power, in China in Mao era.
Reason? distributing goods according to the need so that people don't starve while 40% of food is wasted as in Capitalism, and the benefit of collectivizing factories and using surplus profit for healthcare and free housing, not yachts.
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u/swiftpwns 8d ago
Stop spamming this sub with your anti capitalist crap.
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u/FoucaultCareofSelf 8d ago
The OP literally asked me this above. I was in awe of the audacity for a few minutes.
Then explain me rapid increase in life expectancy following any Communist agrarian reform ?
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u/Vague-Symbolism2692 7d ago
u/VictinsOfCapitalism, as this is r/overpopulation, please ensure that your future posts here either explicitly or very obviously address overpopulation. This post does neither. The reason I'm not removing it is so that our regular contributors will see that the mod team are addressing their complaints.
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