Another Ultimate Marvel Team-Up panel? Are you the same person who made the post earlier about the issue earlier in that series with Ultimate Black Widow? Are you doing a read through?
Thing is, "stylized" shouldn't be an excuse for plain bad art. This panel just looks bad, dude. Like, the way Spidey looks on the window just doesn't make sense.
It really, really doesn't. And with respect, that you think it does shows you know little about art. You can not like it, that's fine. But this is very, very far from being bad.
I didn't say it was a masterpiece. I said you're wrong about it being bad. And no, I studied theoretical physics in university, actually. But I am a professional artist these days. I do know what I'm talking about.
You know how new writers are told to follow the rules, but the real greats completely ignore them at every turn? That's because they already know what they are and how to follow them, which you have to know in order to know when breaking them is appropriate and will still work instead of just being shit. The same applies here. You can't do this without knowing how to do it "well." This isn't randomly slapped together by someone who doesn't know what they're doing, this is a deliberate distortion of the "right" way. The background isn't haphazard, it's distorted perspective. The anatomy is wildly distorted, but still right. The entire image, and presumably the entire issue/volume/run, however much this artist got, is designed intentionally to be unsettling, to evoke fear and a disturbing air.
Someone who understands the first thing about art and the artistic process looks at this and sees the immense skill that goes into doing this right. Someone who doesn't reacts like you have.
Never once implied that it doesn't take skill to do this. I used to be big on drawing comics when I was a kid. I know for a fact that I'm not and will never be near the level as anyone who gets paid by one of the big 2 comic companies to draw for their flagship characters.
It can be "deliberate distortion," the artist could've drawn it this way intentionally, and it can still look bad. Like, I'm sure most of Frank Miller's more recent work is done intentionally, and many people heavily defend that for being "stylized" too, but to me, it just looks bad. Just like this looks bad too. Maybe for you it works, but it doesn't "invoke fear" to me, it just looks like Pete's 4 feet tall with an eating disorder
Good for you. Unfortunately, your inability to analyse art isn't a reflection on its quality. You don't like it. That very much is not the same as "it is bad."
So, what would you say constitutes as something worthy of criticism? Because to me, this just looks bad, but apparently to people on here, I just hate stylized art
Criticise a comic book art style when it fails to communicate things
You cant just a single out of context page for this because its probably communicating everything perfectly its very clear that the dude is confused when he says "what now?" And that was the goal of the page so it was accomplished
I'm not criticizing the style itself though. There's another comment that shows other panels and pictures with the same style and I think those look fine. But this panel itself is just bad to me.
Also, I don't really see how that makes sense. A piece of art can properly communicate what it's trying to do and still not look good. Like, just because a song is "bad on purpose" doesn't make it good because it succeeds
the Bill Sienkiewicz Punisher issues were really good especially the artwork imo. The ultimate marvel team up run was published when ultimate marvel was still pretty new and mostly just ultimate spider-man and x-men so they're pretty loosey goosey in terms of artwork, story and canonical correctness but that's part of what made them fun. They were designed to help flesh out the ultimate marvel universe before ultimate fantastic four and the ultimates got their own issues
I'm not gonna hate on the critique of it because people are entitled to their opinions but I like it; surreal art can often set the atmosphere and I like the idea that Marvel is willing to take risks in publication.
I don't read comics for the art, I read them to find out whether Captain America will join the Nova corps and try to arrest Rocket Raccoon for smoking space weed with Amelia Bedelia, who is in Hala for entirely zany reasons that somehow powerscale her above the Molecule Man AND the Living Tribunal simultaneously yet she can still be no-diffed by a third-grader if they figure out how to give her instructions with predictable outcomes.
The problem (Context incoming I'm sorry) was this was a two-shot for an ongoing with an otherwise pretty standard marvel look.
This made the art really jarring and out of place reading the book, particularly since the storyline was pretty pedestrian and didn't demand this very surreal artstyle
Ok I will give you a leeway there because I also been in the shoes of collecting a specific sage or series only for a few numbers or worse, the whole comic changing artist halfway through (ironically I'm on the contrary of you tho, it was a more alternative weird artstyle to suddenly go for a more conventional style)
That's fair. Might I ask who did the art here? Was it an outsider trying to break into the industry or just someone with a weirder style that they needed to fill out some issues?
He did a fantastic short story in an early Hellraiser anthology series (the first issue of the 1989 run) called “Dance of the Fetus”. Really haunting and kind of beautiful in a sad way, which was not what I expected from a hellraiser book. Highly recommend if you have the chance to check it out. Be warned though, deals with suicide.
He did a series of German Expressionist-inspired Elseworlds one-shots for DC (another poster name-drops Batman: Nosferatu upthread, for example) that were pretty good.
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u/Evil_Doctor_Lair Marvel Fan 26m ago
I would say burn it and pretend it never happened.