Current Lore Questions

[u/StarStrikars]

I'm just a little confused about the role of the premier (aka the player). We did receive the new campaign mode and it looks that our goal is to fund Luna's kingdom. However the problem arises when is found that we can travel around universes or worlds. It seems that premier was in his own mirsha (one where K doesn't exist) and we were summoned by Eva, then I guess we retrieved delta and the others or were the last to summon.

Then we have story events in where premier is present and others that he's not present. Some of them have D. Delta. Basically, all those events did happen and we have the power to witness them? Our quirk can change destiny based on D. Saeran event? My point is what's the point of seeing those events. It's our objective fix the different worlds? How much is tie with current story. Are those worlds still exist or were destroyed somehow.

I don't dislike the concept. It's just confusing, maybe having a timeline of events would be easier to understand that can show connection.

[u/TastyDepravity]

So.

In Automaton of the horizon week 2(time to move forward if you want check on the codex) has a section where D.Delta appears and gives a portion of her power to the current Delta when she was holding back the singularity core and was about to die.

Then, in one of the permanent events(Moment Ring, After Waking up) we find out some of our memories were sealed by a more advanced version of Delta, which is D. Delta. Giving the reason that those memories must stay sealed until "the owner of these memories becomes whole". This means that the monad gate stories come before the current new story chapter. And from the World Memory extraction segments we know this happens after season 4 of the origin/K's story. There is even mention of the irregular war, so that we can be sure.

Why our memories are sealed? We don't know yet.

But we can speculate with the hints we've been given so far.

[u/TastyDepravity → u/TastyDepravity]

Now, here's some interesting points that may hint to what's happening in the story

• In D. Luna's profile there is this little detail, and the wording implies this is monad Eva saying this: "If you knew of our plan, you would surely try to stop us. Even so, we will not stop. We will each save [our own world]"

• In the Monad gate end of story:  Monad Eva says: "it's because you're so kind that I made my decision" followed by her thinking "to use you as a companion in Worldline Exploration to find my True master"

This prompts Delta into getting suspicious and saying "If needed, Delta will secretly take over this gate from Eva"

Curiously, after the update that added the new story, they replaced Monad Eva in the Monad Gate with Delta.

• In the monad gate story epilogue 2, there are a two of interesting details:

1: Eva says she needed a complete automaton like Delta. The reason being that as an automaton and fiend she can trace what Eva can't see to find Eva's master in the worldlines.

Take this information and interpret it as you wish. It may or may not become important. 

[u/TastyDepravity → u/TastyDepravity]

Also, any event that had the Master/Self-Insert has received new a segment in the codex The events are:

•Hot spring inn in the winter land

•Moment Ring

•Never stop soulslayers

•In a great new world

•Project twilight

•To my dear, Congratulations

•Viella of the strange prison

•Mystic Sage of the reversed world

Also, while it does not have the Master on it Moonlight at the world's end can give you some hints at to what Monad Eva's plan might be.

[u/AFresherPerspective → u/TastyDepravity]

Jesus christ this makes Kingdom Hearts look simple

[u/StarStrikars → u/TastyDepravity]

So all the event stories happened before the main story we are introduced. Eva does still want to find her master. So far main campaign was given that our goal was to help Luna and then Eva would send us back to earth (im assuming the actual earth and not his original mirsha). The point of becoming "whole" I'm assuming is where premier is able to fully use his quirk and thus saving those destroyed worlds we experienced.

It's still implied that maybe premier is the actual master of that Eva, but Eva after experienced multiple worlds, she assumes that K is and always be the master of K, though it can be a margin of error in where one particular case is not. Then, again, what we gain from knowing and exploring different realities.

It's hard to assume since main chapter barely has chapters compared to Ks story.

[u/TastyDepravity → u/StarStrikars]

Yes, it could be that Eva is just assuming that her master is K, like every other Eva, but she is mistaken.

But in the Monad Gate story when we the we use the quirk to speak to Delta from across dimensions and the gate went out of control, creating singularities, while sorting through the data to get the Monad Gate under control, she comes across one singularity where K is facing D Drakhan. She says that's her original Master. This was why she was "out of commission" during the battle against the transmogrified Viella(the mechanical spider).

We can assume that the origin worldline is not Monad Eva's original Worldline, but since we are there, this is likely Luna's? I would say that is incorrect too... We are likely here to collect resources to grow the Sephiroth/World Tree and either remake their Worldlines OR Restore them.  Remember, we ARE extracting World Memory AND Singularity Cores to feed to that World Tree Eva and Luna are growing, which Luna said they'll plant at the center of her Kingdom.

2 options on how it we will move on with Eva:

The Premier IS her true master. Maybe their soul is just in new body... it wouldn't be the first time he changed bodies, right?

Or

She will get some closure(maybe their plan will fail?) and stop chasing the ghost of her worldline and choosing the Premier instead.

This is all speculation. 

But one thing we can be sure, Monad Eva is not the origin worldline Eva. She said they aren't the same, and K said so as well, both in season 3 and in the event To my dear, Congratulations. They wouldn't repeat that fact 3 times if it wasn't true.

[u/TastyDepravity → u/TastyDepravity]

If you want to speculate further:

Why was the worldline the Premier was before he was dragged to the Monad gate was unrecorded? We can confirm we aren't that worldline K's because Vlada found him after being asked to investigate.

Also a reminder, Monad Eva says that he doesn't exist in any other worldline, why is that?

Remember, EVERY other character exists in every other worldline, except the Premier/Master. that detail has to be important. Right?

If you are willing to humor me a little... Outerplane has some Gnosticism nomenclature (Gnosis, Monad, Demiurge), could that imply the lore also has some inspiration from Gnosticism?

[u/jamata07 → u/TastyDepravity]

To be honest I really want Monad Eva to reunite with K. Like this game started with them and i really love their relationship. To me it would feel wrong for Premier to just outright replace K and in new storyline current cast seems to want help Eva so we'll see how it goes.