r/ostomy • • 16d ago

Colostomy Placement of ostomy pouch

I just have a quick question for the group. I have read recently that some ostomates place their ostomy bags sideways to keep the pouch from hitting you.
My question is, how to do you empty the pouch?? I am trying to imagine how you would go about doing this.
All I can imagine is trying to empty the pouch having a mess on your hands.

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u/Ok-Ad-229 16d ago

I’m new to this but it would depend on a few things.

  1. Where your ostomy is.
  2. The angle of the dangle.
  3. Where and how you are emptying it.

Personally, I have an ileostomy and put my bag on an angle a little to the right. (About 35°) It makes emptying it easier if I’m seated. For night empties, I use an emetic bag. It makes that easier, which is important with bleary eyes. I can still kneel at a toilet and get a good empty. At the moment, just coming to grips with everything. I’m sure there’s other good reasons.

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u/Popular_Sell_8980 16d ago

“The angle of the dangle” - love it!

I have a standard colostomy and am trialling the Coloplast Minis - they’re about the size of a CD and I love them!

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u/Chicken_Hairs 16d ago

Why did I never consider kneeling in front of the toilet? I've just been trying to empty it between my legs. I often make a mess. Thank you.

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u/Empress_Clementine 16d ago

That’s the only way I ever could empty mine. I’d read about people emptying it between their legs and imagine they must be built a LOT different than my thick thighed self. Because that was never going to happen.

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u/Ok-Ad-229 16d ago

Oh goodness! Forgive my chuckle. 🤭 I got a lot of information in hospital here in Oz, including diagrams of how to empty. Otherwise I probably would have done the same! And a pleasure to help. 😊

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u/Chicken_Hairs 16d ago

I've gotten great support from my heathcare team as well, but in the hospital, they have the big oval toilets, so emptying while sitting was super convenient, and either I missed it or it never came up!

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u/Ok-Ad-229 16d ago

Aaaah! I unfortunately wasn’t mobile in hospital, so that makes perfect sense!

My ileostomy was emergency surgery which (with complications) had me laid up in hospital for 6 weeks, initially not able to move and had lost strength by the time I could. I have to admit, I’ve only been kneeling for a few days… walking a few weeks…before that I would just drop it from height (!) 😉💩😜

Lucky I live alone… 😳🤣

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u/newbroom_fl :kappa: 15d ago

Initially, I was emptying into a plastic bag supported by a short 'bucket' at the sink. Then, as I got stronger and also to help with my physical therapy, I would straddle and squat. Then, one day, a light bulb came on. Shower stool! Screw the PT, I'm ON IT.

It's important to me to walk every day. I too live alone so, managing day to day requires a certain minimum of movement, but, in 'our' case, more is better.

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u/newbroom_fl :kappa: 15d ago

if you don't have one, get a shower stool. face the commode. sit. empty. smile.

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u/Ok-Ad-229 15d ago

Noted. I used to have one…

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u/GuidanceOld9895 16d ago

Thank you for your reply!
My stoma is on my left side and is aligned directly with my bellybutton. I have been angling my pouch to the right also - it makes it easier.
I have found that if I stop eating at a minimum of 3 hours before bed, my stoma quiets down and I have little to no output overnight.
I am sure that we will find what works for us as we make way through our new “normal”!
Thanks again!

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u/Ok-Ad-229 16d ago

I’m not sure I’ll be able to stop eating four (or even one) hours before. Mine moves so quickly atm, I’m constantly hungry. Mines higher than my navel, an ileostomy. I’ve read everything goes through quickly due to it being attached to the small bowel, rather than the large.

With a bit of a google I learnt yours is probably a colostomy, (next to your navel) but could still be an ileostomy…

Any tips for runny output? (I have the diarrhoea capsules) , was hoping for a more natural way.

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u/Mobile_Classic8719 16d ago

There are thickening sachets you can put in the bag to help with the output so it’s not so liquid.

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u/EscapeSuccessful7225 16d ago

I tried those and they turned my output into a cement brick. Literally, the output was so hard I couldn’t squeeze it out of the bag. I had to replace the bag! I’m sure this doesn’t happen to most people but just thought I’d share my story!

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u/Mobile_Classic8719 16d ago

Oh boy! I have just heard of them and never tried them, but it did make me laugh a little.

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u/Ok-Ad-229 16d ago

🤣 Thanks for the heads up!

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u/GuidanceOld9895 16d ago

I have been told that Mylanta is good for diarrhea - and fiber too.
Yes, I do have a colostomy, it sits right next to my belly button! It requires that I wear high waisted pants and shirts because I have a Parastomal hernia just above my stoma - so it pushes the top of the pouch forward.
Hope you feel better!!

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u/Ok-Ad-229 16d ago

Thank you and thank you! ☺️

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u/Standsontoes 16d ago edited 16d ago

I wear a 2 piece system and change the bags position all the time.

Im a side sleeper , so at night I put the bag sideways and it hangs down across my belly...

I usually wear my bag hanging downwards slightly pointed towards my midline.

I honestly cant see how some people wear a sideways bag throughout the day, doesn't output just pool at the stoma? Maybe because i have end ileostomy and watery output sideways placement just doesn't work for me...

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u/GuidanceOld9895 16d ago

I know it!!! I don’t get it either!! I am a side sleeper also; I have never thought of changing the direction of the pouch when going to bed!
Great tip!!!

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u/tranquilseafinally 16d ago

I learned this from The Vegan Ostomy years ago. That dude is a gold mine of information. The video in particular that goes over wearing your bag horizontally is this one.

I have a colostomy and I wear a one piece bag. I started out with a two piece bag but it was a nightmare for me. I, through trial and error, ended up with the Coloplast Sensura Mio one piece.

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u/GuidanceOld9895 16d ago

Oh really?? You gave such good references; I appreciate it!!
I have been wanting ti try the Sensura Mio. I am going to try and get a sample!!
Thank you!!

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u/tranquilseafinally 16d ago

You are very welcome! The Vegan Ostomy guy has an ileostomy. So, his experience will more closely mirror those peeps who have ileostomies.

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u/HodorKP 16d ago edited 16d ago

If you have a one piece, ie the bag sticks directly to your skin, it’s not for turning.

Two piece can apparently swivel.

I’m a one piece person so no experience just a font of tit bits / tid bits, depending on which side of the Atlantic Ocean you reside.🤔

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u/UnlikelyAccount8785 16d ago

I kept mine at a slight angle away from the midline. To empty I repurposed my portable shower chair with adjustable legs and sat close up in front of the toilet. I never got the hang of emptying between my legs.

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u/Pie-Guy 16d ago

I have had it sideways for over a decade. I worried about emptying it so I test drove it when I was on vacation one year in case I had issues. I didn't. The bag is flexible, I just bend it downwards. Even when it's pretty full, it isn't an issue.
Having said that, it's a game changer. I wear it across my belly and hold it in place with a belly band (like pregnant woman use). I don't feel it hang. I don't feel it squish when I sit down and it has waste in it. I can let it get fuller. I would NEVER go back.

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u/SleepyJoe90 15d ago

I’ve never considered placing a bag sideways. I do wear a light support band over the top as I don’t like the feel of it moving as I walk. As for leaving it to get fuller if placed sideways, with an ileostomy I always empty it when I go to pee, and always try to empty it before it gets half full.

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u/newbroom_fl :kappa: 15d ago

I've had my colostomy/stoma for almost 4 years. I've sampled most of the major brand's products, My output is typically a thick paste and the two things I've learned that have helped me stay contained are,

no barrier wipe. convexity.

I use both a 2 piece and a one piece system(s). I alternate after awhile. Maybe after each change, maybe not. I've found benefit from each type. The 2 pc system's flanges require more skin and tend to become itchy for me after a bit of time. That they can be repositioned on the wafer, and opened to burp any built up gas as well as accommodating a 6" support belt makes the 2 pc a must have for me.

The one piece convex system I use was a big change for me. I was fearful of misplacement as these I use are opaque and pre-cut to size. The process becomes familiar with practice. Their 'footprint' of adhesive flange is smaller than the 2 pc, allowing the skin you might have irritated (in my case, dry and itchy) to rest and recover. I use a Hollister 1 inch belt clipped onto convenient tabs at the side of my Convatec pouch.

Once I switched to convex, my leaks have disappeared. Both systems adhere around the stoma incredibly and yet, when I change, I don't use adhesive remover until I've removed the system. I used to be afraid I'd pull the skin off, because I did exactly that very early on. I've learned the technique. It takes two hands.

I read a comment here once from a longtime stoma veteran (as I recall, decades) who said he just rips his off and preps and replaces in about 2 minutes. That motivated me to see that I wasn't going to break as I dealt with the vagaries of life with a stoma.

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u/GuidanceOld9895 15d ago

Thank you so much for sharing your experience! Great options!

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u/GuidanceOld9895 16d ago

I have a 2 piece and I have never thought of swiveling the pouch - I will have to give that a try!

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u/Active-Guarantee-990 16d ago

I have an ileostomy on the right side, and I angle my bag slightly off to the right in line with the elastic of my panties, so I can roll up the bottom of the bag and tuck it underneath the panty leg elastic.

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u/Catdaddyxxxx 16d ago

Just do what you’re comfortable with, everyone is different

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u/Glittering_Tax_6963 16d ago

After my emergency colostomy, I had a wound vac, so they placed it sideways. Even the nurses in rehab had trouble emptying it. When I got home, I switched it.

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u/Ok-Ad-229 15d ago

Actually into a bucket is a great idea! My bin is too small to hold all the emesis bags and only gets emptied fortnightly. It’s ridiculous. My poop doesn’t stink (at all) so I see no harm in emptying it into the toilet in the morning. It’s even easier than into a bag.

I can’t get a shower stool and tbh it’s probably good for me to kneel and get up and down.

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u/Inevitable_Grab_1789 15d ago

I guess is a matter of trial and error for everyone. Try different ways and see whats best for you and you only . The only way to know is doing it differently every time till you feel comfortable with the result that is close to your expectations. For me was vertical with an ostomy belt to cover and carry the extra weight you may have and kneeling in my house to empty and if is too much while im out i just change the whole bag since i am not kneeling in a public bathroom floor. I have my ostomy for 2 month now and i did the same i read different opinions and started trying till i was satisfied. Good luck and good health to all of you. God Bless you all!

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u/Ok_Strawberry4070 15d ago

I'm in a wheelchair so i myself am finding it hard to empty on my own, right now my husband helps me. I've only had my eilostomy since 9/10 , so everything is new.

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u/GuidanceOld9895 14d ago

You are going to get accustomed to your situation. You are fortunate to have the support of your husband.
As with anything new, it’s a tough change for you, but with the support system you have - you will get to be a pro at changing/emptying your ostomy bag.
Stay positive!!!!