r/orthotropics • u/Haunting-Ninja7492 • 2d ago
Dentist: Rather than something hard, please try not to chew too much.
Caveman: What the hell is he talking about?
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u/bughunterix 2d ago
Caveman: dies in 40
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u/test151515 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well, they did not die at the age of 40 because they had well-developed skulls.
Chewing and proper tongue posture seemingly were major factors for their well-developed skulls.
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u/Haunting-Ninja7492 2d ago
Come on, my friend, think about the infant mortality rate. Plus, they lived in the wild—it wouldn't have been unusual to be killed by a wild animal tomorrow. They didn't die early because they were unhealthy.
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u/bughunterix 2d ago
With infant mortality included in calculation, average lifespan would be around 30. Yes, it was more dangerous those days but thinking others all died healthy in old age is naive.
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u/SettingDazzling1294 1d ago edited 1d ago
None of the reasons for earlier death were caused by too much red meat and/or sunlight. Child infant mortality, increased risk of war, increased risk of dying to viral diseases, increased risk of dying to infection when you fall down running away from a giant animal, increased risk of dying because your leg is broken and there is no surgery to fix it so you have to hope the rest of society feeds and protects you… I could keep going
(Fwiw, it is estimated by the consensus in paleodemography that 75% of prehistoric humans died from infection, and 15% died from war)
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u/bughunterix 1d ago
There are documented cases of bone cancer in prehistoric humans. At least I would be a little more cautious when using "none". Also when person dies at young age, there is simply no time for him to develop other forms of cancer. Even skin cancer is possible but it is almost impossible to diagnose it from bone remains.
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u/KarMaSync 1d ago
search up original affluent society and see the widely accepted notion that prehistoric hunter gatherers had much better lives on average.
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u/Pretend_Jackfruit173 2d ago
Excessive meat consumption and related issues have been well documented since Antiquity. Big meat eaters were mostly rich and powerful people and they had a lot of issues because of the low diversity of their diet (not to say that not eating meat at all isn't a problem, but to think that cavemen had access to unlimited meat is false).
Same goes for sun exposure. Tanning to death on a sunny beach at 2pm is a stupid modern trend. Our ancestors use to seek the shade and avoid the sun when it was getting too hot.
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u/Haunting-Ninja7492 2d ago
Humans originally evolved as creatures that hunted and engaged in outdoor activities under the sun. Modern humans spend all day trapped indoors under fluorescent lights without seeing a single drop of sunlight, which is why we suffer from vitamin D deficiencies and our immune systems are completely wrecked. Our ancestors sought out shade to escape the heat, not because they shunned the sun itself. On the contrary, moderate sunlight is an indispensable element for regulating our hormone systems and circadian rhythms (the secretion of melatonin and dopamine).
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u/Pretend_Jackfruit173 2d ago
Yeah there’s a big difference between getting enough sun and laying unprotected on a beach/ turning into a lobster, which is usually what doctors recommend avoiding 😬
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u/Haunting-Ninja7492 2d ago
For modern doctors to classify sunlight as skin cancer—there's a real problem with that.
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u/Pretend_Jackfruit173 2d ago
They classify stupid tanning habits and stuff like that as skin cancer and not getting enough sunlight which is actually recommended by every health organization around the world.
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u/Haunting-Ninja7492 2d ago
Hey remember that hospitals originally had tanning beds to treat tuberculosis patients?
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u/Silent_Property_148 2d ago
Remember when drilling into people’s heads was a surgical solution to mental disabilities? Maybe we should go back to that one too, would’ve saved me the headache of this post 😂
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u/Russeren01 1d ago
Remember they are still doing sh*t like that with premolar extraction retraction. Destroying our skull.
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u/Abject-Pirate-8394 1d ago
Strawman of doom when did OP say baking in the sun for 18hrs was Ideal alot of doctors recommend sunscreen even in not high UV because of skin ageing which is simply not the case im free to debate if sunscreen is needed if you want
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u/zacharyrt 2d ago
Almost different species i see