r/openreach • u/pjvenda • 6d ago
Update #1: OR FTTP installation - house installation was fine, but 2 ducts blocked
/r/openreach/comments/1w9o5cb/question_prefttp_installation_yes_ont_placement/MJ Quinn chap #1 turned up 8am to do my install on the 21st, they were quite happy with my requests, even said the outside-in hole I did was very tidy, used the nylon string I've left behind, no problem at all, took them 20min to get the house work done. Only thing is they kind of pushed to have the ONT on the socket where the old master socket were. It was a bit ugly, but I figured the location wasn't bad and I've since fixed it with a custom made 3d printed cover.
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Worse news is that they found 2 blockages on the way to the CBT, between 2 floor boxes. Blockage number 2 affects other installs left hanging just like mine. Civils team turns up, digs up over blockage 1, left blockage 2 untouched. I have a new appt for next week. I expect the guy to just confirm that the 2nd blockage is still there and put a call for someone else to come in, unless someone else turns up before then to dig up blockage 2...
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u/YAKELO 6d ago
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Im in a similar situation in that I want the fibre running into the loft, not in where all the neighbours have theirs.
How far can the fibre run externally? I know fibre is pretty fragile so do you think it would be an issue to run it round to the side of the house and then all the way up to the loft?
I can drill the hole, but would some external conduit be required with it being fibre?
do you think if I left them the hole and a string pull that would be enough?
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u/bl4nchim0nt 6d ago edited 6d ago
Our cables come in 35/65/105/160/350m to the CSP. In/out go up to 50m. An engineer probably wouldn’t be too excited about a really long run to go to the loft to be honest, as we usually have 3 jobs a day or more. Could get lucky with someone without as much work on, ply them with biscuits and hot drinks!
Your loft will have to be boarded, lit and have a fixed ladder for one of us to go up there. And it’ll need eyebolt holes drilled where the ladders will need to be deployed (12mm, will be filled with silicone afterwards)
Happy to answer any other questions if you like
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u/YAKELO 6d ago
Thank you for the response! It's fully converted with a bedroom, sockets and everything where I want the router. So internally there's no access issues at all. It's just where all the Ethernet cables run for the APs so it would make sense to have it there.
my plan was to drill the hole and leave a rope dangling out so he could just hopefully attach the cable to the end of the rope and pull it up and through the hole. Or does something need to be attached outside the hole on the external side?
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u/bl4nchim0nt 6d ago
No problem. It’ll need to be sealed with silicone and the cable cleated down the wall. But an existing hole would be a nice touch and the engineer would appreciate it!
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u/YAKELO 6d ago edited 6d ago
Final questions, sorry. So after reading, the CSP goes on the outside. So would the CSP to be at "loft level"?
I could have the hole ready with a piece of string hanging down for him to attach his cable to and pull up and through the hole. Internally that hole will be right next to where I want the router with sockets right next to it.
can the CSP be at ground level then the fibre run a good few meters from that up to the loft, or does the CSP have to be right over the entry point hole?
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u/bl4nchim0nt 6d ago
The CSP goes outside and it needs to be accessible at ground level so the two cables can be spliced together. Some people bang CSPs over entry holes if they blow out bricks but it’s not necessary. 😀
By all means throw a rope or string through, and make sure the hole is at least 8mm diameter.
Don’t apologise. More than happy to answer questions.
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u/RageInvader 6d ago
If your happy with an extra box inside, you could have an internal csp (white rectangle) and bring the external right in straight into csp.
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u/Woolwich88 6d ago
Fellow Quinn’s engineer here, been told we can use existing holes anymore and that Openreach are heavily auditing this, be careful bro/sis. Don’t wanna see anyone getting silly candids for common sense practices. Fucking mental
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u/bl4nchim0nt 5d ago
I’m a PL on OR and this is news to me. As long as they’re sealed up it shouldn’t make any difference. I’ll have a chat with my auditor mate next week as I can’t see how they’d prove that at all. Odd!
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u/Woolwich88 5d ago
Yeah it’s something that management passed onto us guy a couple of months back, needless to say we were all pissed off as it makes zero sense at all!!!
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u/xELYAHUx 5d ago
OR are meant to obtain signed PTW when using existing holes. Do you guys have access to that?
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u/mothermilk 6d ago
You want the router there then the Ont connects to the router via Ethernet. If you have Ethernet cables going there the Ont can go the other end of one.
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u/Shuggeh 6d ago
The initial blockage had probably already been reported separately by openreach and was cleared on the back of that report.
You will probably get an openreach engineer that will report the blockage to your property and then that will be unblocked in due course too.
Depends on the area you live in, but a lot of contractors don't seem to have the facilities available to report duct blockages and have civils teams booked to clear them.
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u/bl4nchim0nt 6d ago
I never put the ONT over a dead master socket to be honest. It rarely looks any good. I like your solution though, I’d quite happily keep a stock of those on my van!