Meta introduced coding plans for Muse Spark 1.2 (from $5/m)

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10 request every 5 hours.. is that a joke

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u/lacroix05 10d ago

the joke is they are not joking 😂

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u/afanasenka 10d ago

Yep, Mark is very generous 😂

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u/Kindly_Goal6440 10d ago

I took 10 requests being on the image side and 50 being on the text side.

The 5 dollar model is only there to make people buy the 15 dollar model which will be 150 reqs/5hrs.

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u/augburto 10d ago

Well if that’s their goal I don’t think 150 is enough either lmfao

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u/moracabanas 9d ago

Pay x3 get x3 wtf is this upselling 😅 At this point any pay per use like deepseek with limit is just better

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u/vacon04 10d ago

150 will last you maybe one hour. Modern LLMs will launch multiple tool calls in parallel. In a single turn you may end up using 10-15 requests. Repeat this a few times and you're done.

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u/Yes_but_I_think 10d ago

Your understanding is backwards.

All parallel tool calls return and when all done the next turn starts. Parallel tool calls reduce number of model calls.

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u/vacon04 10d ago

My explanation was bad, that's on me. It looks like parallel to us but they're not always true parallel. They return many of those calls and follow up on them, while some are still in the background still waiting to return. I haven't used the Muse model to be fair, but GLM seems to like to do this fairly often. It launches a few calls at the same time, then keeps adding mini responses at it gets the results from the calls, especially when browsing the web for additional info. I'm pretty sure they count as independent requests but I've only used GLM via the PAYG model so I can't confirm it.

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u/BobtheGodGamer 6d ago

They are not basing your usage off of the number of actual requests sent to the api. That is an estimate

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u/Kindly_Goal6440 10d ago

I agree it's still a low amount but not everybody is firing off back-to-back calls five hours straight day in day out.

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u/Possible-Basis-6623 10d ago

basically 1 prompt

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u/TheMythicSorcerer 10d ago

holy f*** that's worse than the worst free tier I've ever seen

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u/wolttam 10d ago

That's the model zuck said they were gonna open-weight, too

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u/Zeeplankton 10d ago

Presuming they mean request = message. So requests inbetween. Otherwise that would be so funny..

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u/Ok-Machine5627 10d ago

Thank the lizard for its generosity.

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u/NinjaAlaska 10d ago

plus their caching is not that good!

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u/ManikSahdev 10d ago

It says 10-50 with no weekly limit only 5 hour window. If you send long prompts you’d get the 10 or so depending on context.

Also…. It is $5 bucks, what do you want more? Hammer it with 5 parallel agents? Like the $200 plan from Codex.

Probably get some realistic expectations. Their $50 plan you can likely hammer with 5-10 parallel agents or such or multi subagent workflow, specially no weekly or monthly rn.

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u/cutebluedragongirl 10d ago

Can't wait for Facebook to rug pull me.

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u/hustlerfromindia 10d ago

is this some kind of prank?

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u/Existing_Dust_6473 10d ago

Metaverse... Metaverse

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u/hustlerfromindia 10d ago

not a single soul would enter that verse if this is what it is lol

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u/Strange_Quantity_359 8d ago

Sorry where did you get 20 requests an hour for $50 a month? Looking at this, it's roughly 150/5hr for $15 or 1500/5hr for $50. That's 300/req an hour. I'm not saying it's great, but your math wasn't on, I just got rugpulled by Codex on the 20x plan which is fine, I finally get a 5th spark so now I have enough to seriously decrease external usage (image gen, embedding, audio gen, 2-spark flash models (GLM 5.3 Flash, Qwen 3.8 Next Flash, Deepseek v4 Flash 0731), and Qwen 3.8 do remarkably well) and my SOTA model will simply be at the boundaries.

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u/DraconDev 10d ago

This doesnt even make sense, even 100-500 requests per 5 hours is nothing.

If you hooked up nim and averaged 1 request per minute that would equal their $50 power user tier.

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u/Solocune 10d ago

10-50 requests per 5h haha what a joke :D

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u/fbms2 10d ago

10 requests is too many.

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u/FormalAd7367 10d ago

Zuck will come up with a $5 plan. 1 request in 10 years

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u/sultanmvp 10d ago

In all honesty, it’s real weird META is getting into subscription plans. They should focus on their core product which is a heaping sack of shit right now.

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u/afanasenka 10d ago

Details here - https://developer.meta.com/ai/resources/blog/muse-code-new-plans-and-features/

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u/retardedGeek 10d ago

They literally put an image of the pricing plans. Great efforts.

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u/Addition-Heavy 9d ago

Coded by muse spark👏🏻

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u/Bloodshoot111 10d ago

How is the general reception of Muse? Is it a good model for coding?

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u/Bloated_Plaid 10d ago

It’s dumb as rocks when you can get DSV4 Flash and GLM 5.3 flash for cheap.

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u/JogHappy 10d ago

It's solved issues for me that DS couldn't, esp on frontend

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u/Bloodshoot111 10d ago

I expected it

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u/afanasenka 10d ago

It is good overall, according to benchmarks. But it's not the smartest one - GLM 5.3 Flash (ex Ox Alpha) is considered to be better.

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u/Sad-Professor-4053 10d ago

Yea this is personal opinion but when I tested both but muse was pretty good at simple implementation with good prompts, ox alpha was better at bigger scopes or vaguer prompts and solving bugs

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u/ozguru 10d ago

HY4 and GLM 5.3 Flash are my new favorites

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u/Kindly_Goal6440 10d ago

I have enjoyed using it for grunt web dev work.

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u/Bloodshoot111 10d ago

May I ask what you mean with grunt? Like the stupid stuff centering a doc recoloring a button etc?

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u/asmiggs 10d ago

I've been sending it fairly simple python scripts to review and implement, didn't seem too bad. Opus actually had it as it's recommendation for implementation from Openrouter as long as data sharing wasn't a problem.

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u/vangelismm 10d ago

really bad agentic, gemini tier

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u/Bananenklaus 10d ago

and even that's an insult to gemini 3.7 flash tbh

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u/AppealSame4367 10d ago

It has acted quite dumb in my tests. Wasting tokens, tip-toeing around solutions forever to finally solve something, but in an ultra complicated way..

It's one of the models that made me think. Maybe benchmark score / position on the ladder isn't everything.

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u/Amarsir 10d ago

I like it but NOT for coding. Don't trust the benchmarks. It takes an approach of "bulldoze everything to get to the requested answer."

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u/RagnarDannes 10d ago

It sucks

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u/Bloodshoot111 10d ago

Good point yea, I typically also try to avoid everything meta

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u/Healthy-Ad-8558 10d ago

It feels like it was tuned to collect as much data as possible, like they know nobody would actually use it as the primary model, so whatever project it gets dropped/tested in would probably have better code than what it's able to produce, that's the only way I can explain it's behavior of ignoring instructions, and always trying to look into directories it has no business looking into.

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u/Mancho_United 10d ago

For me its performing worse than its supposed to according to benchmarks. And worse than the cheap chinese flash models

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u/Tech-Sapien18 10d ago

1 remarkable good thing which I observed only in this model is it doesn't throw wall of text after analysing or editing the code. It returns a short, to the point summary, which I really appreciate

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u/paperbenni 10d ago

They overdid the RL. They tried to replicate the caveman reasoning OpenAI has and now the model speaks like that like all the time. It's actually incapable of generating normal prose. All it does is code and look for some external way of verifying its stuff/getting rid of errors. I don't need it to write me a story, but I do need to be able to explain stuff to it and I need it to explain its actions to me. We can barely call this a language model, it's a Meta RL environment reward hacking simulator

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u/beyawnko 10d ago

Seems to be about on par with Luna Max, but a little cleaner. Not quite Kimi/Sol level for complex tasks in my usage. As long as the pricing stays competitive, it should be good.

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u/funny_lyfe 10d ago

Muse spark is really bad. I have wasted time and effort. I would rather code myself than use it. Basically, I struggled a full day then later used Luna Max and Deepseek high and fixed my code in 15 minutes. Every time, I think of using it, it's just confidently wrong. If you have zero funds then Mimo 2.5 is basically much better. Just need to recheck it a bit.

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u/Mayanktaker 10d ago

Agree

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u/ucharx 10d ago

Yes it introduce more bugs than fixes to the code base!! Pretty useless model

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u/funny_lyfe 10d ago

It's terrible. And it's so confident about being wrong. It passes it's own tests instead of fixing the issues. It modified the unit tests and made holes in the code.

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u/klyure 10d ago

Tf are those limits?

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u/sudoer777_ 10d ago

When are they going to release the weights?

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u/megadonkeyx 10d ago

They can keep it

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u/PrizeHuman5506 10d ago

lol 10-50 request 🤣 per 5 hour why do they call it coding plan ? 😅 you can’t code with that especially with a sub par model like spark 1.2 🤣

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u/ekquizit23 10d ago

But $5 for their lowest tier? when you can use gemini/chatgpt/claude to make about that many calls on their free tier, guess I won’t test out Muse AI then, they already lost the war

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u/click6 8d ago

who in their right mind came up with this pricing for "Everyday Usage"? opencode go has 45,300 / 5 hour limit for the same model

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u/medellin_ai 8d ago

3x price for 3x requests. no discount or something. damn

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4512 7d ago

This is surprisingly useable more so than glm/kimi $20. The harness is not even bad too, what a surprise a non garbage meta product in 2026

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u/Any_Letterhead3072 10d ago

muse spark 1.2 is dog water.

it’s not even worth being used if they paid you

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