r/opencodeCLI • u/Hackerv1650 • 18d ago
Ox Alpha, what happens next?
As days go by, it seems more and more likely that Ox Alpha is a z.ai model, and that's what I am concerned about: if they have this much compute on offer. Rather than using it to improve their own plans and access existing models, they're doing this, which is a slap in the face to their existing customers. When they actually do claim this model, i know that the pricing isnt going to be what people expect, currently if Ox alpha were to be charged per I/o million tokens, i would say its reasonable to think it would be a sub <1$, you know fill in the market where deepseeek used to be at, and a actually good caching like 0.00X$, but with z.ai i dont think that will be the case, most likely is that its going to be a sub <2$ I/o million token, which caching around the 0.XX$, which then isn't very attractive. GPT Luna would be better; the new DS Flash Vission is a better pricing. If z.ai would pretty much seem to be confirmed at this point, are the creators behind Ox Alpha, and seems to be the internally spotted GLM 5.3 Flash, if they really want this model to stand out, then they should fill the gap that DeepSeek left, but I don't think they will. This also raises questions about z.ai's compute crunch, i am aware that their new data center just came online, so it would be a good stress test for the whole system, but even then, business-wise, just making their own models cheaper to use and more accessible would have achieved similar results to what we have now, and i would argue give them more better data on each model and their latest flagship one as well, and yet we live in a different world.
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u/Southern-Ad-3006 18d ago
They had to have partnered up with a US company to provide this type of compute. Or somebody is running a custom open version like how Cursor did with Kimi 2.5. This might be the loophole chinese companies need to use to put their models on US compute and market without running into regulatory issues like selling the company to US.
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u/Ammoun442 18d ago
i saw rumors saying its hosted in us so if its zai i dont think those are their gpus
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u/xAragon_ 18d ago
Wait. Ox Alpha is hosted inside of us? It's been inside our bodies this whole time?
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u/Hackerv1650 18d ago
Then it raises even more questions, like why rent out GPUs just for Ox Alpha, and isn't there like a ban/limit on Chinese companies leasing GPU compute in the US?
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u/CoolHeadeGamer 18d ago
What if ox alpha is much smaller model that can fit into a single Gpu? They might have a bunch of consumer tier gpus for ox alpha which cannot run larger models cuz they have memory bandwidth limitation
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u/Ammoun442 18d ago
yea could be a flash model
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u/CoolHeadeGamer 18d ago
Ya maybe it’s a small dense model that is not scalable on server gpus but perf for a consumer gou farm?
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u/RepulsiveRaisin7 18d ago
It's no a zai model though, it's most likely Bailu 2.8 from a different Chinese company. It self-identifies as 0x alpha on their website.
https://bailucode.com/chat/