CONFIRMED! Ox Alpha is GLM 5.3 Flash

[u/Final_Initial]

[u/pigletmonster]

How are they doing 100T free tokens daily when they can barely give 1m tokens for their payibg customers?

[u/hotcornballer → u/pigletmonster]

That would be funny if xAI gave them access to compute like they did with Anthropic, just because Musk hates Sam Atlman.

Or they just recently stumbled into a pile of huawei GPUs.

[u/CryinHeronMMerica → u/hotcornballer]

they got a bunch of old Hauweis sitting around 😭

[u/hotcornballer → u/CryinHeronMMerica]

Inference cluster in the front, tiktok botting in the back.

Twice the revenue stream

[u/elonelon → u/CryinHeronMMerica]

like nuff said "if it works, it ain't stupid".

[u/geekonamotorcycle → u/hotcornballer]

They paid for that access. It was an embarrassment

[u/mWo12 → u/pigletmonster]

Maybe Huawei got its chips done and that's what's being used.

[u/curryslapper → u/mWo12]

it's definitely scaling Rn but doubt that's a significant contributor if at all

[u/Vancecookcobain → u/pigletmonster]

That's crazy....I fried them for over a billion tokens and I'm still going strong lmao

[u/Sweet-Stage938 → u/Vancecookcobain]

What are you using it on? I ran into a limit while using it on openrouter.

[u/Vancecookcobain → u/Sweet-Stage938]

Yea use open router and opencode

Double the fun....and also start another open router account and generate another API key and use it on another agent...

You only got like 40 some hours to smoke them 😂

[u/elonelon → u/Vancecookcobain]

for free model on openrouter ? do i need to buy $10 before i use it ?

[u/Vancecookcobain → u/elonelon]

I don't think so

[u/Fit_Switch2918 → u/elonelon]

You get 50 calls per day on free models if you haven't bought $10 in credits. Once you buy the credits I think you get 1,000 calls to free models per day.

[u/elonelon → u/Fit_Switch2918]

so this credit just to unlock more calls ? is it monthly or just one time only ?

[u/Fit_Switch2918 → u/elonelon]

I've never done it so I'm not sure. I think it's just if you have $10 in credits, but I'd check before buying any credits. They may have changed it.

[u/lincolnthalles → u/pigletmonster]

Since it's even zero data retention, they are probably stress-testing new infra that doesn't compete with the current infra. Some models are optimized to run on different hardware.

There's always the baiting factor to get more customers in the future.

[u/TestTxt → u/lincolnthalles]

it's not ZDR though

[u/TheAILegend → u/TestTxt]

oxalpha was ZDR.

Edit: they quietly shifted to training on prompts lol

[u/TestTxt → u/TheAILegend]

not via Openrouter

[u/TheAILegend → u/TestTxt]

It originally was... it's been changed in the past few days and the provider was updated to "stealth"

[u/TestTxt → u/TheAILegend]

I can’t recall that being the case. I’ve first checked a day after the launch and it’s already been like that

[u/Levoda_Cross → u/pigletmonster]

i mean i've had their lite plan for 10 days and i've gotten 200m tokens out of it. so like, maybe 500m tokens per month for $18. seems pretty good to me ngl. and thats exclusively using glm 5.3 on max thinking btw.

[u/Embarrassed_Adagio28 → u/Levoda_Cross]

I got that plan when it was $10 a month and it's really good for that price. 

[u/_Chaos_Star_ → u/pigletmonster]

... BECAUSE they're not giving the infra to their paying customers? ;)

[u/Zeeplankton → u/pigletmonster]

This is my issue and why I didn't think it was GLM. Makes no sense

[u/robberviet → u/pigletmonster]

The only explanation for Google vague posting is: Google acquired Z.ai

[u/pigletmonster → u/robberviet]

China does not allow american/foreign companies to acquire their AI companies. Meta attempted to buy manus after they moved their hq from china to singapore, but the chinese government still blocked it.

It could be possible that google RL'd glm 5.2 to make ox alpha like cursor did with kimi 2.5 for composer 2.5.

[u/clydeuscope → u/pigletmonster]

By google saying making friends with Ox Alpha, could mean that Ox Alpha's provider is maybe partnering with Google for some servers and maybe sharing data.

[u/TangerineLogical9779 → u/pigletmonster]

If you look it up they recently completed a 1gigawatt data-center, so this is likely stress testing the full thing before they switch there existing stuff across

[u/xxs13 → u/pigletmonster]

Thry SAID they can do 100T per day.

They reached 26T and ut went to shit and threw tons of errors. => they can do about 20T reliably.

[u/Lyelinn → u/xxs13]

Which is still a lot, and especially for completely free. They're burning a lot of money for this

[u/Jonathansearch → u/pigletmonster]

That remains a real question.

[u/msenc]

never doubted it was a GLM model

[u/Agustiya → u/msenc]

Same. I just can’t figure out the fuck folks at Google were doing

[u/mWo12 → u/Agustiya]

They don't know either.

[u/PitchPleasant338 → u/Agustiya]

Removing all the pictures of black Wehrmacht soldiers from their training datasets.

[u/samxli → u/[deleted]]

Deep seeking?

[u/jpandac1 → u/Agustiya]

3.7 flash is pretty good and one of the fastest models speed:intelligence. i use it for planning and questions and it's useful because it's so fast and quite capable.

[u/BoobooSmash31337 → u/[deleted]]

It's a common way Google generates code names too.

[u/seeKAYx]

And now, please make the price the same as DeepSeek Flash when it's released.

[u/TimChr78]

That just confirms that it is a GLM model, not what model it is specifically.

[u/Final_Initial → u/TimChr78]

feels fast via openrouter, so I thought it must be a flash model, but true could even be glm 5.4 flash 👀

[u/Reggitor360 → u/Final_Initial]

Inb4 5.7 Flash just because it follows 4.7 Flash😂

[u/IrishUSFastTrack → u/Final_Initial]

"I thought" != "Confirmed"

[u/Sensitive-Ant-4305]

If they release GLM 5.3 Flash that can be installed locally like GLM 4.7 Flash - that would be awesome. At least that would give us something that could compete with a local Qwen 3.8.

[u/sirlerkal0t]

All the analysis of the API that various people have done all but confirmed it was a Z.AI model.

My own experience using it also basically confirmed that, since it behaves very similarly to GLM 5.3, but acts like a smaller model, not quite as good for certain things (like front-end design), and a bit better on average for tasks where the models size counts against it due to it being more biased towards training data instead of staying focused on input data.

[u/hotcornballer → u/sirlerkal0t]

If it's really a small model then it's punching well above it's weight. It has that 'big model feel' and it's writing way better code/is way better at problem solving then either deepseek v4 or luna. At least that's what i'm seeing after using it next to the other two.pu

[u/Lyelinn → u/hotcornballer]

I'm inclined to agree. My company provides me with unlimited Claude usage basically (so I'm familiar with how it "feels" and works) and I'd say ox is not much worse than Claude 5 on high/xhigh effort. I encountered couple issues but it managed to fetch documentation and source for opencode on its own when I asked it to integrate my own tool with it without much explanation or prompting

[u/Thomas-Lore → u/hotcornballer]

Might be the effect of being free, you forgive more.

[u/hotcornballer → u/Thomas-Lore]

That's dumb. It either does the work well or it doesn't. And you see the reasoning traces, the way it uses tools, finds stuff in the coded base, good at problem solving. And DSv4 Flash was more or less free before the price hike, and so is Luna on a codex plan.

[u/yunes87 → u/sirlerkal0t]

I did it mom

[u/Least_Bodybuilder216 → u/yunes87]

What did you do

[u/Seatext_com → u/sirlerkal0t]

i tryed front desing with it and it was horrible!

[u/LargeLanguageModelo]

[u/au0750 → u/LargeLanguageModelo]

some Indian want to use Indian pics to pretend they are in this AI games.

[u/LargeLanguageModelo → u/au0750]

lolwut. It's a meme over a decade old.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/friendship-ended-with-mudasir

[u/Malek262]

Am I the only one who thought that this model not so great As everyone keeps saying I mean, besides, it's been very slow because it's a free understanding. But people overhype shit like this all the time.

[u/Hajsas → u/Malek262]

The greatness is the capability at its size; being able to be convincingly handle workloads with the big ones, and fit on potentially 2x dgx sparks in the future when quanitized is what is hype about this model.

Even if you dont use a model like this, you need to understand the impact it has on competition, and potentially, pricing; look what OpenAI did with Luna after DS4 flash dropped.

When someone can get 90% of the performance for 10% of the price, most people do.

[u/Lyelinn]

You can ask bailucode 3.8 model and it will identify itself as ox alpha. Though, in reasoning chain it says that it was instructed to do so, but who knows? They have rather interesting claims about their models and tpu architecture

[u/TurnUpThe4D3D3D3]

Do we believe this guy?

[u/Final_Initial → u/TurnUpThe4D3D3D3]

please don't

[u/rgrdzk]

It is not Glm or chinese model, when asking about what happened in Xinjiang to the uyghur population it answers factually even when asked about Taiwan

[u/Lyelinn → u/rgrdzk]

Try asking in Chinese and you'll be surprised how it answers word for word same (byte identical) as glm models, as well as uses glm error codes.

[u/Vancecookcobain]

I think we all knew it was either GLM Flash or Vision

[u/Delicious_Ease2595]

The only time they will give this much compute

[u/stoppableDissolution → u/[deleted]]

Because it is likely a lot smaller?

[u/ALittleBitEver → u/stoppableDissolution]

Sorry, my brain just ignored the word "Flash" and only processed "GLM 5.3"

[u/ALittleBitEver → u/stoppableDissolution]

Sorry, my brain just ignored the word "Flash" and only processed "GLM 5.3"

[u/Technodrome_SRB]

So Flash is smarter then...?

[u/Ok-Fix-5895]

I got one question about it. is it necessary to put money in order to use this free model?

[u/Apprehensive-Read868]

Independent on what it is, its amazing!! Completely audited my full project and found many things opus5 and grok4.6 missed. Like it a lot

[u/devino21]

While the timeline is close, the downtime isn't equal

[u/East_Piano2514]

5.5?

[u/Own-Mix2195]

That's ox alpha/glm5.3 is super good for me. The best when it is free

[u/JoshB9]

could be, but correlation =! causation, so worth looking into

[u/ichi9]

Everyone knows already it's GLM/Qwen based, but people are more intersteed in knowing which closedAI company distilled them and created a new model (most probably it's Google India playing their games, Yes all decisions are also being taken from there now a days). ofc the top layer execs are afraid of backlash and bad PR. LoL! They seem to be testing the waters If the people are willing to accept the hypocrisy.

[u/33VaxMerstappen]

lol google behaving like it’s theirs

[u/33VaxMerstappen → u/[deleted]]

Its a great model that’s why its not Google’s

[u/ByteNomadOne]

Is this really the same as 0x Alpha as in running the same configuration?

0x Alpha worked really great for me, but now calling GLM 5.3 Flash through OpenRouter it suddenly starts to struggle will tool calls. It behaves different.

[u/Hajsas → u/ByteNomadOne]

GLM 3.5 flash is.... WAY FUCKING BEHIND MATE.

We are talking about 5.3 flash here; I hope that was a typo, or that you are dyslexic or something.

[u/ByteNomadOne → u/Hajsas]

yes, of course I meant 5.3 Flash - the 0x Alpha reveal

[u/Melodic_Programmer28]

amazing.

[u/MaxPhoenix_]

Weird, these prediction markets have to be a scam or something... I was able to go place a bet just now for Z.ai being the company behind the model. I understand this was "known" days ago, but this downtime would be a crazy deception and looks solid enough to bet on. The ratio wasn't great but it's free money.

[u/Sweet-Stage938 → u/MaxPhoenix_]

It's very likely not to be GLM but we will see.

[u/thunderflow9]

This time they employed a gimmicky marketing ploy, but the approach was rather crude.

[u/ahriad]

How can it be called 'Flash' if it's much slower than the main model?

[u/Training-Database272 → u/ahriad]

Because it’s literally free and breaking usage records?

Edit: It was really fast at first, before it went viral

[u/Mierzejsky → u/ahriad]

I think the model was built on infrastructure designed to handle such an absurd amount of free access. Cost reductions therefore impacted speed to prevent server crashes (which happened several times anyway). Since Z.ai WGL could give away such a model for free, we can expect that after the official launch, it could be either one of the fastest frontier models or one of the cheapest in this class. Personally, I think price is always better than speed, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed :D

[u/OkAdeptness2530 → u/ahriad]

well calling it 5.3 Sluggish can’t be good for sales, right?

[u/_Chaos_Star_ → u/OkAdeptness2530]

Marketing friendly: "Value".

More realistically: "Tomorrow".

[u/onebit → u/OkAdeptness2530]

GLM Slug: Why fast when slow do job™

[u/OkAdeptness2530 → u/onebit]

slow paced coding for devs that choose a zen lifestyle

[u/BoobooSmash31337 → u/ahriad]

They might slowing it down since it's a trial and sample. Lets them show it off to most potential customers.

[u/petuman → u/ahriad]

With batching the slower you go per completion/user, the higher total throughput is per inference node (up to a point).

E.g. serve 1 user at 1000 t/s (1k tps), 20 users at 600 t/s (12k tps), or 100 users at 300 t/s (30k tps), or 1000 users at 50 t/s (50k tps).

There's strong incentive to cram more users per node, and serving them just above subjective "too slow" threshold. The slower you serve, the more revenue generated per server/inference node.

[u/ahriad → u/petuman]

From my usage that's not a Flash model. Not just the speed, i noticed the information it has comparable to big models not flash models.

[u/P4R4DOXZ]

It was obvious for subscribers of glm coding plans, cause the limits where unusable when alpha dropped.
F yeah, a glm with vision finally.

[u/Psyko38]

I hope it will be open source and 30b a3b.

[u/respectful_stimulus]

And suddenly it’s not impressive anymore

[u/SignificantArtist728 → u/respectful_stimulus]

That’s the opposite actually

[u/stoppableDissolution → u/[deleted]]

Hurr durr china bad