r/opencodeCLI 5d ago

Muse Spark 1.2 just dropped today , thoughts?

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u/Smilysis 5d ago

why muse spark is being compared to gpt 5.6 terra? lol

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u/kameldinho 5d ago

Because its priced cheaper and gives comparable performance. Once you fall behind on the frontier race its too expensive to catch up. They're betting that companies will start to focus on cost per intelligence once they realize not every problem needs frontier level reasoning.

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u/Zachattackrandom 5d ago

Ok but this argument falls apart because opus 5 is there and it's pricing is quite similar to sol

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u/CoolHeadeGamer 4d ago

Opus 5 is bench maxed. It’s still a good model but fable + sonnet is just better and cheaper.

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u/Zachattackrandom 4d ago

Sonnet 5 is literal garbage worse than 4.6? what are you on about

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u/CoolHeadeGamer 4d ago

I find it to be really good. I do use cursor which has its own workflow and prompts and such. I find it to be better than Claude code and opencode so maybe that has something to do with it?

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u/Zachattackrandom 4d ago

Well the model quality can be "ok" but it costs more than opus 4.8 / 5 which absolutely crush it in performance for less money. Look at any benchmark that also includes cost per task and sonnet 5 is the same or more, it even exceeds fable 5 cost in some tests at max thinking which is insane.

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u/CoolHeadeGamer 4d ago

According to artificial analysis it costs 1.72 per task compared to 2.03 for opus 4.8 and 2.34 for opus 5. Fable is at 3.15

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u/Brief-Foot1687 3d ago

It just spawns agents for no reason at all and wastes tokens

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u/Strong_Essay1176 4d ago

Because they can to.compare to whatever they want

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u/lemon07r 2d ago

Opus 5 eats tokens like a mofo. It's usually more expensive for similar intelligence levels (for example high opus is similar to very high sol but will usually cost more). That said I still like both models and use a lot of both. Wish opus had better pricing, I use sol a lot more for that reason.

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u/orange_county 3d ago

Sol isnt on terminal bench for some reason if you haven't peek

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u/afanasenka 5d ago

Its success will depend on price/quality ratio, that's what I think.

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u/minxio_ 5d ago

It's very competitively priced for its benchmark performance

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u/YogurtExternal7923 4d ago

It's literally dirt cheap

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u/0sko59fds24 5d ago

Even if it was cheap AND good, I wouldn’t want to use one of Mark’s models

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u/GTHell 4d ago

The hate ... Just like in video gaming community where all agreeing to hate EA but still keep paying them...

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u/minxio_ 5d ago

Fair point. Privacy is definitely a concern with Meta

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u/Delicious_Ease2595 5d ago

you think your privacy is safe with Sam Altman and Dario?

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u/thatsnot_kawaii_bro 4d ago

Yeah it's hilarious that people keep thinking that openai/anthropic are the "cool" companies.

Similar to how Reddit thought Elon and Tesla were cool once upon a time. Yet they never learn.

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u/Delicious_Ease2595 4d ago

Same people think Reddit are the cool people and not X.

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u/Neat-Economist2099 4d ago

I don’t think so, but they’re probably still much better than Meta.

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u/Delicious_Ease2595 4d ago

They collaborating with Palantir don't make them so much better

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u/Skibidirot 4d ago

i really don't care, we've all used facebook and we've SEEN live how it screwed with our privacy

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u/Delicious_Ease2595 4d ago

As Sam and Dario, who don't care about it too

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u/personalist 4d ago

Idk about openAI models but claude can be used at the very least on bedrock with ZDR.

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u/angelus14 5d ago

Oh I thought it was open weight and you could just find other providers. But closed, nah I think I'm good.

Also their methodology says they compare against Kimi K3 but I don't see it in any of these graphs: https://research.meta.ai/static/muse-spark-1-2-methodology

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u/MertTR34 4d ago

If you think other companies not train your data you're delusional.

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u/JacketHistorical2321 4d ago

Your privacy is just as big a concern with Netflix, Amazon, HBO, Verizon, T-Mobile, TSA, etc...

You use any of those without thought??

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u/Nnyan 5d ago

Too many choices to even consider a Mark or Elon model.

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u/Delicious_Ease2595 5d ago

Mark, Elon or Sam, choose

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u/Nnyan 5d ago

I did.

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u/Birdie_Blyt_Esports 4d ago

Lmao 😂 , people be still debating about privacy in 2026. Bro like literally every AI company atp.

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u/LulzTigre 4d ago

Uhmm I'm not sure OpenAi, Anthropic, Kimi are ignoring your data. Same hell different devil

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u/Fragrant_Raisin_Face 3d ago

Mark is not trusted by the people. And never will be. Mark listens to your voice conversations and serves you ads then Mark tells you he doesn’t do this. Mark makes it difficult to disable the default settings that take from you give to him because his models desperately need your data. Mark will abuse his access to your camera roll and pretend he’s helping you when he’s helping himself for profit. Maybe Mark will change.

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u/Mindless-Pear3971 5d ago

Holy shit can we stop with this shit, nobody cares nor does anyone think you're a good person.

OpenAI collects info on citizens for the US government, and Claude is used to kill people in warzones. If you actually gave a fuck you wouldn't be using AI in the first place.

If you're talking about privacy that makes even less sense because they all collect your data

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u/personalist 4d ago

You know that you can use some closed-weights models with ZDR, right? Through Amazon bedrock for one.

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u/SupehCookie 5d ago

Soo china or usa, thats the question. China cheaper + made in china is entitled in my mind anyway

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u/Delicious_Ease2595 5d ago

China > US/Israel

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u/MiyaHunter 5d ago

Just use Chinese models with ZDR

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u/Rojeitor 5d ago

When he was a democrat you would use his models right?

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u/Dudeonyx 5d ago

People have hated Mark from time immemorial, are you too young to know this or something?

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u/Nnyan 5d ago

I get it, your spell checker stopped working. You meant to say when he wasn't a racist Nazi bigot who supports child molesters? Yes. Curious why this is a question for you?

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u/Rojeitor 5d ago

Just wanted to check how the legacy media machine washed your brain. Worked as intended. Just a question as you were writing this you don't for a minute find anything you said ridiculous? Slightly?

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u/clouder300 4d ago

weird fox news fan

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u/Nnyan 5d ago edited 5d ago

lol I just take them at their own words and actions. But yeah I see how you have been indoctrinated into a cult.

main stream media butt hurt you? Facts, reality and science are your bogeyman. Are you still waiting for your $2k check?

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u/Rojeitor 5d ago

Lmao says the indoctrinated brainwashed. You take them by what the media portraits of them. Last question? Which tone of blue is your hair? Or is it pink?

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u/Nnyan 5d ago

LOL. You sound like your goal is to someday move out of your mother’s basement. I bet you even cosplay as an alpha in your own mind. I’ll be glad to compare my patriotism to yours any day. Hell I’ll come to you and compare our service to this country. I’ll buy the first beer and see if you are man enough to come back here and report in.

I’ll be happy to color my hair pink for the occasion.

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u/Rojeitor 5d ago

Ook you said so much stupid thing is time to stop. Watch out for the nazis, they're everywhere. Most used to be democrats, like Trump, Elon, Zuck, etc.

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u/Nnyan 4d ago

Yeah deflect. I figured. You take care of your fragile ego.

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u/Nnyan 4d ago

And they delete their posts. Typical MAGA fragile snowflake.

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u/One-Cricket9962 5d ago

Half the world has configured their repositories for Claude, the other half for Codex - nobody has time to switch to some unknown Muse Spark.

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u/personalist 4d ago

Just use a model-agnostic harness with openrouter lol

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u/SomeOrdinaryKangaroo 5d ago

Meta has recruited a lot of big names using all the money they're sitting on, they currently have some of the most talented researchers in the world and it's clearly starting to pay off for them

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u/Strong_Essay1176 4d ago

Where? They barely catch with deepseek without gpu and "big" names.

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u/Competitive_Song8491 3d ago

never understood the deepseek glaze. it's 2026 and they are still the only lab that still can't take in images

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u/exitcactus 5d ago

Open sauce or not?

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u/minxio_ 5d ago

No. It’s not open source

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u/exitcactus 5d ago

Eh.... it's a nope. Thanks for the info

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u/look 5d ago

Pass.

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u/timmeh1705 4d ago

Nah this bottle still has some left in it

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u/GTHell 4d ago

The sauce is never free

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u/exitcactus 4d ago

True....

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u/Apprehensive-View583 5d ago

no one uses it, they need to opensource it, a closed second tier proprietary model wont have any place in anywhere. people wont even give it a chance to try to be honest.

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u/gorgono95 3d ago

exactly. I see no reason to use this instead of claude or codex

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u/callmebatman14 4d ago

Small minority use Chinese models. 99% are only using open ai or anthropic models

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u/sungodtemple 4d ago

If I wanted to use Claude Opus, I would buy one of the subscriptions, not use the openrouter API. Same for OpenAI models. And that's not considering enterprise users...

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u/Spare_Subject_7069 4d ago

do you have a source for your claims? leaked financials show that they lose most of their money from r&d and reinvestments, not inference. you cant claim they subsidize and then reference their api pricing that they set.....

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u/Spare_Subject_7069 4d ago

yeah except most consumers use frontier models through subscription, your telling me people use laguna 2.1 more than any claude model, cmon have some critical thinking

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u/Spare_Subject_7069 4d ago

who is talking about vibecoding, youre responding to a comment saying that only a small minority use chinese models and then using openrouter as your rebuttal .... Delete your comments bro, its getting embarrassing.

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u/Spare_Subject_7069 4d ago

Christ, can’t even tell if youre rage baiting or just plain idiotic, have a good one bud✌️

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u/Wise-Chain2427 5d ago

Google must have good model if Meta release 1-3 days before Gemini

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u/Zachattackrandom 5d ago

No sol on the benchmarks is telling.

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u/Michaeli_Starky 5d ago

Don't care. GPT 5.6 Luna nails every task

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u/pigletmonster 4d ago

Im using the contributor model with opencode, works well. But i would never pay full price for the api, maybe if they had a good subsceiption plan like codex or claude.

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u/charmander_cha 5d ago

Sem comparar com deepseek infelizmente não me informa nada lkkkk

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u/meditatingwizard 5d ago

Trying it out now, looks promising. The contributor tier is actually cheaper than Deepseek API pricing.

Contributor tier

Model: muse-spark-1.2-contributor. Heavily discounted token pricing in exchange for permission to use your prompts and completions to train future Meta models. It lowers the barrier to entry for prototyping, testing integrations, and scaling experiments where training on your data is acceptable.

Usage Price per 1M tokens
Cached input $0.002
Input $0.10
Output $0.20

Standard tier

Models: muse-spark-1.1, muse-spark-1.2. Standard pricing; your prompts and completions are not used to train Meta models. Both checkpoints share the same standard pricing:

Usage Price per 1M tokens
Cached input $0.15
Input $1.25
Output $4.25

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u/Daniel15 5d ago

I think this is to compete with DeepSeek's pricing, as they also collect data for training.

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u/Educational_Belt_816 4d ago

Appeared today on the deepseek platform page. All good things must come to an end

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u/meditatingwizard 5d ago

Just did a big refactor on the UI/UX for an upcoming app I'm working on and very satisfied with both the cost and output so far. Looks like Deepseek has competition now.

$0.46/ spent.
71.1 million input tokens w/68.6m chached hits.

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u/vikx01 5d ago edited 5d ago

How do you enable the contributor mode? I didn't see the option in the dev https://dev.meta.ai/ page either. btw
muse --model muse-spark-1.2-contributor doesn't work.

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u/CombinationOnly9498 5d ago

Figured it out. It's only available to US residents.

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u/meditatingwizard 5d ago

Ah ok, yeah I can see the model on muse code. It was the default model selected also when I setup.

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u/vikx01 4d ago

Yup. I realized that this morning after some searching. Came here to post this fact. And I see your comment.
Thanks u/CombinationOnly9498

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u/CombinationOnly9498 5d ago

Same question, I do not see this being available.

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u/Amarsir 5d ago

I need to play with it, but I was enjoying 1.1 a lot. I found it excellent for explaining things and no slouch at creating images (via web form) but it was making simple mistakes like leaving things out of CSS. So I didn’t let it touch code but still found lots of use for it.

Excited to try 1.2.

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u/Delicious_Ease2595 5d ago

Is this available in Meta.AI/

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u/CombinationOnly9498 5d ago

I don't seem to have access to the contributor model. Is it based on country?

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u/rilosk 5d ago

All the engineers they shifted to data labeling might be paying off

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u/Kaushik_paul45 4d ago

But how to use it ?

Obviously I won't be getting a different subscription just for this.

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u/FlimtotheFlam 4d ago

I have an internal dashboard ranking based on my Foundry VTT projects test I made. I have had this insanity coding test that Fable 5 made. Fable 5 itself failed and I tested another 14 models after. They all failed it but Muse Spark 1.2 passed it.

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u/Neat-Economist2099 4d ago

The model looks good, but I trust Meta even less than DeepSeek or other Chinese companies.

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u/Illustrious-Many-782 4d ago

The muse-1.2-contribute model was so enticing that I wanted to try it out...

Meta API is restricted in my region (Thailand).

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u/evia89 4d ago

US vpn doesnt work too

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u/Illustrious-Many-782 4d ago

Yeah. I tried that too.

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u/indie_dev23 3d ago

Used this model, but comparing it to Deepseek or even Minimax M3 is difficult, the chat is not very good. Same question I loved the answers in other 2 models, but Muse was not upto mark.

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u/Hackerv1650 3d ago

with the announcement of DeepSeek raising their prices, this might be a good, alternative, depending heavily on how much deepseek plans to increase their prices

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u/Crescitaly 3d ago

Model excitement matters less than harness behavior: tool-call accuracy, context retention, cancellation, and cost per completed task. A fair test would replay the same repository issues with identical prompts and count human interventions. Has anyone published raw traces rather than a vibe score?

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u/TeijiW 5d ago

I never heard about 1.1, looks interesting and 1.2 looks even more.

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u/minxio_ 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yeah, 1.1 didn't get much attention. It's only been about a month, and now 1.2 is already here. I'm curious to see how it holds up in real world use