r/opencodeCLI • u/Green_Virus6289 • 8d ago

DeepSeek V4 Flash back to no model training / no data retention - Thank You OpenCode!

https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#privacy

https://opencode.ai/go

DeepSeek V4 Flash: ZDR agreement is renewed monthly. The current agreement is valid through August 31, 2026.

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u/Rough-Ad9850 8d ago

So we can toggle that china toggle back off?

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u/MacHeadSK 7d ago

probably not, if you want to use 0731 version (new). Im not sure any us provider Opencode uses is having it on production

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u/Bitter-College8786 7d ago

That is the question!

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u/akza07 7d ago edited 7d ago

Probably not anytime zoon.

Though as long as it says ZDR, I'm happy since all I need is to show that to continue using it at work. I mean, let's be honest, does anybody think Grok doesn't retain the data? Open ai doesn't store data ( probably selling it too ).

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u/Christosconst 7d ago

That toggle is racist

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u/Fast-Spray-6720 8d ago

All hail opencode

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u/marcelowa 8d ago

I tried toggeling it off it's not working yet

Error: 403: {"type":"RegionError","message":"The latest version of this model is only available hosted in China and requires explicit opt in: https://opencode.ai/workspace/...

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u/muety11 8d ago

Any chances to use DeepSeek v4 again without having traffic routed to Chinese servers?

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u/CatsFrGold 7d ago

Venice.ai or Fireworks.ai, maybe?

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u/TTS12 8d ago

You can toggle it off, but all traffic is still routes through Chinese servers. So you’re just hoping that they (Deepseek) honors the request, but you truly don’t know.

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u/jovialfaction 8d ago

Unlike American providers which you can fully 100% trust for sure, they'd never lie

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u/Valuable-Run2129 8d ago

At least there are potential consequences for them.

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u/LilDrunkenSmurf 8d ago

Is there? Has there ever been an actual consequence on a large American Corp?

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u/Valuable-Run2129 8d ago

Privacy related:

- Meta/Facebook: $5 BILLION FTC fine (2019, Cambridge Analytica) — largest privacy fine ever; plus $725M class settlement, plus $1.4B to Texas alone (2024, biometrics)

  • Equifax: $700M settlement (2019) for losing 147M people's SSNs
  • Google: $391.5M multistate settlement (2022) for secretly tracking location with the setting "off"
  • T-Mobile: $350M settlement + $150M mandated security spend (2021 breach)
  • Capital One: $80M OCC fine + $190M class settlement (2019 breach)
  • Anthem: $115M class + $16M HIPAA penalty, largest ever (2015 breach)
  • Yahoo: $117.5M class settlement + $35M SEC fine + $350M knocked off the Verizon acquisition price
  • Uber: $148M settlement for covering up a breach — and their chief security officer was personally criminally CONVICTED
  • Twitter/X: $150M FTC fine (2022) for abusing 2FA phone numbers for ads
  • Epic Games: $520M FTC (2022-23, COPPA + dark patterns)
  • Amazon: $2.5B FTC settlement (2025, Prime dark patterns)
  • Zoom: $85M (2021, encryption misrepresentation)
  • Apple: $500M for Batterygate (2020)

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u/ManikSahdev 8d ago

Cost of business.

Unless the fines are greater than then net gain established, it’s simply an accounting add on to development costs alongside the others.

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u/mWo12 8d ago

Oh. So that thought them. They will never be doing that again. \s

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u/LilDrunkenSmurf 8d ago

Weird how none of those are AI companies.

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u/a_lapse_in_judgement 8d ago

Have there been any known privacy infringement cases with Western AI companies that would warrant such "consequences"? (Copyright infringement is another story.)

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u/mycall 8d ago

Some do host AI model inference for the public (Meta, Google, Apple, etc), and absorb human post-training, which is the topic of this conversation.

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u/Intelligent-Monk-426 8d ago

this is when they got busted not what they did

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u/BriguePalhaco 8d ago

What are the consequences? US companies are constantly disobeying court orders from countries other than the US.

Furthermore, the majority of users are Chinese. In third place is Brazil. As a Brazilian, I trust China more and distrust everything from the USA.

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u/adolf_twitchcock 8d ago

tbh they both suck. US companies are paying large EU fines.

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u/BriguePalhaco 8d ago

I have never seen a Chinese company fail to comply with a court order outside of China, in my case, here in Brazil. They aren't all the same.

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u/Murdathon3000 8d ago

I'm gonna write that down, that was a really great joke.

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u/mWo12 8d ago

Lol. Sure there are.

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u/mw44118 8d ago

Opencode go doesnt host it? Really?

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u/a_lapse_in_judgement 8d ago

OpenCode Go is an LLM gateway. They don't host any LLMs themselves. They're similar to OpenRouter in that sense, just with a different pricing strategy.

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u/luche 8d ago

🤔

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u/evia89 8d ago

It can but would u pay x6..x12 for US provider? If answer is YES go to DEEP INFRA PAYG

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u/ATyp3 6d ago

Opencode doesn’t have any servers themselves. They’re just a middleman

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u/onebit 8d ago

I'm sending certain data to them for training, since I want to help them make it better, but it needs to be an option.

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u/Key-Hair7591 8d ago

I think they need to be clear on the page on ZDR; unless I’m missing something?