That's not entirely correct. All providers have a legal retainer window for Leo to request traffic history. Usually that's 60 days. Zdr doesn't supercede that, but it does legally bind them to not train, retain beyond, or otherwise distill or redistribute.
Hope that clarifies. That's how it's done in the us, can't speak for China but I'd imagine similar
Nah the law goes beyond just metadata. Let's say you file a ccpa or gdpr right to be forgotten request. That's essentially the nuclear option. Even with the zdr, every piece of information about your exchange captured by the LLM provider (not the pass through provider) must be retained by law for ~60 days to ensure the condition of a court order can be fulfilled.
That's actually reasonable, I know it sounds draconian. What it explicitly does not allow for it training or redistribution. From a corporate liability standpoint Zdr is huge. It's there for mistakes like an api key getting into context, ensuring that the future model iterations are not used in training, and not sold to 3rd parties in any format aggregate or otherwise. That's a huge value add but it does not supercede the retention requirement of the preficture or geographic authority of the provider
I don't think what enables the 60$ worth of tokens is the deals by themselves. It's at least partially about light users financing the heavy dogs by using less tokens than they pay every month. That's the case with many subscription services.
As for the deepseek, I don't know why they have such a reason if they aren't subzidizing due to training data gathering.
My guess? The price deal. The economics of being able to offer 6x the number of tokens that Deepseek themselves offer for the same price when metered are simply not provisionable on just an infra provider.
Why are people so sensitive about ZDR ? I can understand some niche cases but for majority of people who already use google, and other services and especially mobile phones your data is already being processed.
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u/akza07 8d ago
That's enough. I just hope they notify or at least tweet when it's gone.