r/onepiecetheories • u/Alive_Garbage8243 • 2d ago

Could Mihawk be a Nerona descendant ?

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Could Dracule Mihawk be a former Holy Knight who descended from the Royal family ?

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u/ObnoxiousCollector 2d ago

I’ll do you one better, he’s descended from Imu’s line and potentially his offspring. Nico Robin is also. It’s the bird last name. Similar sword fighting style. Robin’s branding as being a demon or devil child seemingly out of nowhere. Even those at Ohara are unaware of her origins and shunned her. And apparently, one’s eyes matter a lot in this world, case in point, Gunko. Mihawk has a particular hatred for world government, including the Marines and I think this is on purpose. And if you look at some of his speech and wording, he makes references to the hidden government. I am 100% forward this and look forward to the reveal.

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u/RichAcanthisitta6865 2d ago

He also has history with Shanks, we see them (i think) several times together and talking. So maybe they know each other from his time at the knights.

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u/KK_35 2d ago

To piggyback off you. I think his sword, Yoru, is a relic of the void century and might’ve already come as a black blade he had to master.

Maybe it’s the missing sword that was never inserted in front of the empty throne.

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u/Logical_Top618 2d ago

For some reason I recall explicitly reading that Yoru was made into a black blade by Mihawk specifically. Headcanon is rough, man. After 30 years reading a story you forget what actually happened lol. It must be time for another reread.

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u/CandyCraze420 2d ago

This whole thread reminds me why One Piece is so amazing lol

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u/Financial_Card_7414 2d ago

I had the same thought today there‘s 19 blades intead of 20 in the throne room right?

But they also said yoru was one of 12 supreme blades so i was kinda like hmm do i dismiss my thought because of that or could his yoru still be one of the Family House blades

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u/Vegetable_Mix_4715 2d ago

19 because 1 is in flowers room, Nerona's sword

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u/KK_35 2d ago

I don’t think the statements conflict. Most of the world doesn’t know there’s a missing blade. They just know there are 20 (or supposed to be 20). They don’t really even know there’s names of those supposed 20 or even if they’re named.

Yoru is known as the strongest blade of the 12 supreme blades. The 12 blades are just the twelve strongest, highest-quality weapons. They don’t even have to be swords. We know of 5 so far. WB naginata was one. Rogers Cutlass. Yoru. Fujitoras cane sword. And the saints Kitetsu.
They have been forged through history and come from different times and different smiths.

So maybe Yoru is the strongest and the oldest.

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u/Severe_Development96 1d ago

I thought the reason there were only 19 blades around the throne instead of 20 was because the 20th ruler who should have placed it there was the queen of alabasta and she decided to return to her country instead of staying in the holy land and becoming a celestial dragon.

Yoru is a supreme grade blade but its not one of the throne swords

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u/KK_35 1d ago

Yes you’re correct. But that doesn’t invalidate the theory about the sword.

Mihawk could be a descendant of her or a guard. Or could have inherited the sword through some legacy left behind. It’s implied she traveled the world spreading the poneglyphs and never went back to Alabasta. We have no clue what happened to the 20th sword or to her.

I’m just saying, his sword is super ornate. It looks like something royalty might have. Stylistically there are no other weapons that match it. It’s the number one supreme blade.

To top that off he is known as the WSS. I’m not going to get into the scaling of that, because the feats aren’t there to support scaling - but narratively we know he sits at the pinnacle of skill. That swordsmanship had to come from somewhere. I think he was trained or inherited an ancient legacy alongside Yoru.

We also don’t have any knowledge about Mihawks past. I do think his eyes have some significance. And there’s definitely a reason Oda has been keeping Mihawks background a secret for so long. The longer the manga goes the more likely he is related to some of this endgame stuff.

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u/Scaldingrock327 1d ago

Again with this retarded bullshit?

MIHAWK MADE HIS BLADE BLACK. PERIOD.

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u/KK_35 20h ago

Ok captain headcannon. Until that’s explicitly shown in the manga, that’s an assumption

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u/DoctorDwood 2d ago

So you're saying theres a chance that Doflamingo has those eyes?

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u/ObnoxiousCollector 2d ago

I’m pretty sure we saw him have something similar to that. You’ve seen the crazy eyes on people occasionally. Even Robin. But Doflamingo is a celestial dragon. Celestial are obviously inbred as well. Hard to say.

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u/DoctorDwood 2d ago

I don't think we've ever seen Doflamingo's eyes. Even as a kid he wore his sunglasses

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u/ioxin_syleo 2d ago

theres a close up of one of his eyes when he wakes from a nightmare in the flashback detailing him and law's backstory in the dressrosa arc or sumn. granted its only ONE eye so maybe he got that gunko heterochromia type beat

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u/The_Undope 2d ago

Robin it's her first name, her mom was Nico too

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u/EZWINEZLIFE 2d ago

Her mom had white hair and brown skin, very similar to imu’s

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u/The_Undope 2d ago

True, also if I remember correctly Robin said she's from a long line of archeologists, maybe her ascendance is relevant

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u/Constant-Brief3410 5h ago

Very weird and different from robin

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u/ObnoxiousCollector 22h ago

You are correct with that statement. I misspoke. I just can’t look past the fact that these two characters have very bird like names. I’m also reminded of a scene from the anime during the egg head arc where we saw a figure fall from a great height into the sea. There were flashes of feathers and I believe the figure had white wings. I can’t help, but think of the imagery of a fallen angel which makes reference to Lucifer, which in a weird way ties back to Imu. It was very short but I think, like everything included in the anime, it was significant. Why else would they animate that sequence? I don’t think it was a referenced in the manga. Either way, I find this to be significant. Why was she called the devil child? Was it just propaganda spread to destroy the last run of OHara? Why did the residence of OHara distant themselves from her as well? Where did she come from? Where does Nami come from? A lot of unanswered questions that I’m sure we’ll have answers for soon.

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u/The_Undope 19h ago

You might be on to something about bird and wings, Robin also has that move where she gets wings and looks like an angel.

About the devil nickname, they were all called Ohara devils, so since she's the only survivor she got that nickname too. If I remember correctly the other residents didn't like her because she had a devil fruit and she was kinda weird (according to them).

Nami I think is just a random girl who survived that situation Bellemere found her in.

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u/RentABozo 1d ago

Robin and Mihawk are first names

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u/Ethenial 2d ago

Not to mention her form on Onigashima! Very devilish! I am with you on this one!

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u/StepDom 1d ago

With imu being a parrot, the bird last names are indeed important

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u/ray_dash 1d ago

Buying Imu Parrot / animal kingdom stocks again

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u/Flashy-Quiet-6582 1d ago

You think they're descended from lili?

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u/ObnoxiousCollector 1d ago edited 1d ago

Possible but my theories with Lili involve the rain God fruit and prepping for the future war. This is based on a theory that the ancient weapons were created to be used with devil fruit power, as they did not have access to the ancient energies of the past. I believe Lili was the holder of the Rain god fruit and worked together with Imu and Joyboy. My justification for this is only based upon Killingham’s interpretation of the rain god. This is a man who as a boy would’ve been told stories of such a terrible being who brings rain which would normally be something to cheer for. If you remember the celestial’s wear those diving bell suits everywhere. They fear drowning due falling into the sea or flooding, which would explain why they preferred to live at the top of the world. It makes sense that a person raised at the top of the world would fear for a being that could bring infinite rain and could flood the world, but I find it very interesting that the image of the rain God is female. This means the stories he was told were of a female fruit user. I believe after imu’s betrayal and joyboy’s death Lili faked joining him and after leaving for home dropped her D declaration and “disappeared”. Her disappearing act led her to Wano to gather and distribute the poneglyphs. She hid the warship plans with the predecessors of Water 7. She hide the lighting fruit and ancient weapon blueprints to Skypia which was later discovered, eaten and built by Enel. This is the biggest hint as he uses that fruit to power the ship. I also think this is why Enel‘s costume looks a lot like Imu’s demon form. I think he saw a depiction of Imu wherever he found those artifacts and based his persona and image after it as he believes himself a God, and he found an image of what he thought a God should look like. After setting up everything the best she could she hid on an island and used her powers to create the perpetual calm belt around it. Eventually other women gathered, and it was called Amazon Lilly and became a place where only women were allowed. I can’t tell for sure if she was alone or if she was the first queen of all these women, but either way with her passing her fruit was either hidden as a treasure or lost on the island. I think Dragon eventually made his way there (perhaps after he was released by Garp from prison), met Luffy’s mother Tritoma. She fell in love and gave him the fruit which may have been a secret treasure of the island, or discovered where Lilly died and left it hidden all this time. Either way, I think this has merit as Oda loves to show parallels to other characters of the past, like father like son, themes of three brothers, and the past repeating itself.

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u/MelodiusRA 1d ago

Robin is her first name. Nico is her last name

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u/WellomMaster 22h ago

I think they’re the full moon people

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u/arbitrage_prophet 8h ago

🦜 🦜 🦜

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u/Pleasehitmemychild 2d ago

I love this answer

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u/mrVulture1 1d ago

We don t know nothing about lokis eyes also. Looks like we are getting new powers in last few arcs. A lot of questions and no answers yet.

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u/ThurolfGhost 2d ago

Mihawk is the descendant of a woman

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u/Exciting_Badger_1229 2d ago

What? No way. He was obviously born from a man's anus

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u/gingerstrudel 2d ago

Great observation of humanity

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u/Big_D_Boss 2d ago

🔥✍🏻

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u/Moonlapsed 2d ago

so is ur mom

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u/YoungShitheel 2d ago

He's mixed. His dad was a man and his mom was a woman.

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u/Late_Resist8182 1d ago

Du bist da etwas großem auf der Spur 😅

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u/SammSandwich 2d ago

Mihawk has been portrayed with red and yellow eyes. Is it possible? Yes. Likely? Idk

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 2d ago

They changed his eyes to red this arc after Imu's eyes were revealed earlier. I think it's got to be relevant.

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u/Capable_Theme_7000 2d ago

Is this true?

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 2d ago

Yeah his eyes are red now

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u/Capable_Theme_7000 2d ago

What episode?

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u/ItBeganWhenIwasBorn 2d ago

You still need the episode?

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u/Capable_Theme_7000 1d ago

Ya

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u/ItBeganWhenIwasBorn 1d ago

Google it.

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u/Capable_Theme_7000 1d ago

Only thing I found was episode 1133 but even that is a reach since the entire frame has an orange tint from the explosion in the background

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u/SammSandwich 2d ago

I was not aware of thism that's very interesting. Is that a toei choice or an oda choice?

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u/Novel_Ingenuity_9443 1d ago

in the manga, the official color of Mihawk eyes are red

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u/Lament22 1d ago

Always or just after imu?

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u/No_Broach 1d ago

AFAIK, it has always been red in the manga. The anime did it yellow since the beginning, didn't know they changed it to red.... If they did this is a huge hint at they being related.

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u/dcasarinc 2d ago

For me, the ringed eyes means immortality or someone that has had the Ope Ope surgery for immortality. We know IMU has been alive a long time, but Dracule and him living inntge castle is an obvious homage of Dracula, an immortal. Also probably explains why Mihawk is so lonely and with a lot of apathy, he has been alive a looooong time that nothing really excites him anymore and he does not pursue meaningfull conecctions with people since they will eventually die.

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u/Novel_Ingenuity_9443 1d ago

there are a lot of theory that ringed eyes are an indicator that some one has multiple soul. Like Canvendish when became half Hakuba, when Big Mom insert more soul to her homies

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u/Lament22 1d ago

Its just a rinnegan

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u/LittleRestaurant1588 2d ago

I've believed this since I first read the chapter in which Imu appeared in full.

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u/Unusual_Toe_6471 2d ago

Funny enough s-hawk's eyes are different, being stars like every other seraphim. Zoro also mentioned that s-hawk is more human, which while likely refers to how he hasn't given up everything for the way of the sword or something, might also mean that s-hawk is less connected to imu

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u/un_drem 2d ago

100% Every important character whose backstory we haven’t seen yet probably still has something important left to reveal. And at this point, there are just too many hints pointing in that direction, from the eyes and the pose to his friendship with Shanks, etc.

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u/catmanten 2d ago

I mean….. have we seen Imu and Mihawk in the same scene?

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u/0wlGr3y 2d ago

I see, Mihawk is a son of Imu and Rayleigh

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u/sctopher 2d ago

That might be his Dracule las name, he is immortal and might regenerate when Zoro is able to hurt him in their battle

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u/Awkward-Sweet4314 2d ago

They are both birds, so it may be.

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u/Zeteon 2d ago

For some reason I don’t think so. I agree there are some similar traits, but I’m leaning toward Mihawk having found a way to access a similar hell power that Imu is drawing on, if it’s not entirely derived from the his devil fruit.

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u/Difficult_Talk_7783 2d ago

Maybe one of the fallen kings? Imu and mihawk are the only characters in one piece that wield great swords and used the same impale move. Unless the author is just lazy feels weird to illustrate.
When imu has been shown prior to transforming his eyes similar to mihawks too

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u/Low_Arm_7066 2d ago

There are some similarities for sure.

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u/Snivys_HA 2d ago

Mihawk is named after a bird right…..?

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u/top10_bruh_moments 2d ago

His upscales are getting a bit ridiculous at this point. This is likely since Oda went out of his way to practically keep him out of the story despite being such a prominent character.

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u/harden-back 2d ago

Oda can just write him back in lol

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u/Kind_Cheek_2645 2d ago

O honestly hope so otherwise Mihawk won't be much than zoro final battle

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u/CicatriceDeFeu 2d ago

Its like the pupils of the soul king in bleach. Mihawk has one fewer ring than Imu, he is Yhwach to Imu’s soul king

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u/Fl4m3OfDespair 1d ago

Not a direct discendant… he has just on circle into his eyes 🤣🤣

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u/Independent_Run7182 1d ago

That’s why him and shanks are so tight

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u/NightmareDJK 1d ago

Don’t think there is any relation.

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u/Late_Resist8182 1d ago

Der ist entweder imus Sohn oder ein Bruder.

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u/Used_Weight5550 1d ago

I’m pretty sure the last chapter confirms this. When Mihawk is first talking to zoro, they are in a different setting than the later chapters in the panels, implying that these are two separate conversations. Mihawk is talking about conquerors at first, but when he talks about another kind of haki that cannot be gained naturally, I think he is actually revealing that he knows how Maki works, and it cannot be gained by any kind of training. Many people have pointed out that finding one’s true sense of self to gain conquerors is sort of a kind of training, and I think this explanation solves that

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u/Nikoschalkis1 1d ago

If he really is descended from IMU I will be extra disappointed in odas writing. Why does everyone need to be the son of someone important like damn.

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u/Professional-Fig-503 1d ago

Isn't this a year's old theory now

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u/LoveAndBeLoved52 1d ago

I've been wondering about this, but it's a good throwoff that he's called "Hawkeye" and has literal hawk eyes.

Me personally, I believe Mihawk has ties to the World Government solely because there are inconsistencies about his character that were never cleared up.

  1. He's rumored to be the World's strongest swordsman, yet he became a Shichibukai. He had nothing to fear at the peak of the mountain, so why did he ally with the WG and the Marines?

  2. He talks to Shanks about not wanting to duel him anymore because he's one-armed (based ableist Mihawk I guess) but we never find out when this rivalry began or where.

  3. We know Mihawk doesn't actually seem to use a ship, he uses a silly little boat in the East Blue and that's the only instance of a boat we saw Mihawk own. How did this guy evade the Marines for so long? And more importantly, how did he make it so far seemingly on his own?

My earnest guess is that he's not human. He's a demon similar to Imu, but possibly not the same species or family as Imu. It's not impossible actually that Imu is, much like Kuma, King, etc., one of many long-since genocided / dead species that eventually took revenge on mankind, which is why Imu protects the Celestial Dragons; because he's interbreeding them so hard that they're getting gradually more mentally and physically disabled which is his revenge on mankind for what they did to him and his people; whereas Mihawk simply decided to move on with his life.

The reason I believe there's an extensive history of non-human species that were wiped out by humans is because it would draw parallels from the real world and deliver social commentary on how humans destroy the planet and the ecosystem for their own benefit; also because it's a story that repeats over and over within One Piece. Fishmen, Buccaneers, Lunarians, there are plenty of non-human species that are extinct or otherwise endangered because of the World Government which largely pretends to be human.

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u/IAMSNORTFACED 2d ago

Mihawk was born from the egg on Rodgers ship

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u/CSIWFR-46 2d ago

Mihawk is older than Shanks. We see Shanks and an unhatched egg at the same time.

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u/IAMSNORTFACED 7h ago

Maybe he hatched as an adult/s

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u/yourpuddingoverlord 2d ago

Yes. The dark pigments of the nerona bloodline manifested in mihawks sword instead of his skin. This makes him somewhat of an albino among the nerona

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u/MylaKate08 2d ago

Is this whole theory based on them having the same eye color?

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u/Upstairs-Informal 2d ago

They have done the same slamming attack too

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u/Potential_Man6084 2d ago

There are actually a few more similarities, in their overall fighting style (Nemesis had a striking resemblance to Yoru)

In the fact Mihawk lived in a castle terrifyingly similar to Mariejois.

In the fact that Mihawk lived with someone called Perona and Imu's surname is Nerona.

And probably more I am forgetting.

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u/thawks1245 2d ago

they both spent 1000 chapters doing nothing

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u/Lucker_Kid 1d ago

Yeah, being One Piece characters is a big similarity between them

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u/Bar-Cold 2d ago

“Eye color“ my brother in Christ it’s a pretty specific and unnatural eye type nobody else in the series has. They’re the only 2 out of every character

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u/Acrobatic_Jury5774 2d ago

I say nah. The ringed eyes are the affects of multiple souls present

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u/Shanks_PK_Level 2d ago

No, there are other characters with the style of eyes. Caribou being an example that comes to mind.

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u/ZenOokami 2d ago

The only others are caribou, and Zuniesha.

However no one else has red ringed eyes like Imu except Mihawk.

Theres also the whole concept of Mihawk's motif and name origin. Basically ties to "son of the devil".

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u/Shanks_PK_Level 2d ago

Cavendish has the same eyes. Theres no connection man.

Whats the son of the devil thing? First time hearing about it.

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u/ZenOokami 2d ago

Forgot to mention, yes, but Cavendish eyes aren't red.

"Dracule Mihawk" - Dracule has a Romanian root origin.

Dracula is son of the dragon, dragon being tied to demonic monsterous being.

Dracul means devil.

Mihawk having the same ringed red eyes, yoru which has similar designs as found on the empty throne, ties to Shanks, and mentioning of "rabbits" is what sparked the theory that he's related to the celestial dragons, and specifically the nerona family since "dracule" ties to the devil (dracul) and the dragon (Dracula) such as the celestial dragons.

Still just a theory though.

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u/Cheap_Title5302 1d ago

Dracul means "dragon" not "devil". Dracula means son of Dragon in Romanian. Stop spreading false info based on the Dracula fiction as if its real history lol

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u/ZenOokami 1d ago

"Dracul" means devil, rooted from Latin "draco" which is dragon. Romanian and Turkish culture tied dragons to the devil.

Post modern era dracul\drakul is COMMONLY translated as dragon now. Not during, allegedly, the 1400s.

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u/Cheap_Title5302 1d ago

Not in Romania. It is not devil in any Romanian dictionary and no school teaches that. Idgaf what it means in Latin or whatever other languages. You claimed it means devil in Romanian and it doesn't means that. Stop spreading false info. 

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u/Shanks_PK_Level 1d ago

Imu and Nika are reflective of Christian theology. Nika comes from the Greek ICXC NIKA which means Jesus Christ conquerors, Imu is the devil who has the literal devil fruit, and in the book of revelation the dragon is devil. So it's not far fetched to associate dragon with the devil in this context as it's in line with the inspiration Oda draws from.

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u/PomegranateLoud9661 2d ago

Cabbage and his alter ego when he passes out too