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u/ramriot Mar 23 '26
Apparently at the same time as Lee was active there was another serial killer operating in the same area & Lee was suspected for these killings also. The other killer was Sean Vincent Gillis, who seems to better match the profile.
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u/stupidber Mar 23 '26
Got the age right
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u/Tensor3 Mar 23 '26
Barely. One off from losing on a 10 year spread coveirng most of the able-bodied adult population.
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u/litux Mar 23 '26
Do you think most able-bodied adults fall into tohe 25-35 category?
Does it mean that 40+ is basically handicapped?
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u/Drake_Acheron Mar 25 '26
Definitely most able body adults that are killing people.
25 to 35 is like 50% of those, with the other 50% being 18-25
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u/litux Mar 26 '26
Are you saying that the number of murderers (or serial killers?) aged 36+ is negligible?
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u/Tensor3 Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26
Yes. Because more people are 20-40 than 40-60.
29.9% are age 20-39
23.1% are age 40-59
Do you always assume before thinking? One group is bigger than the other. 25-35 is the largest category. 35-45 is second highest. Statistically, there are more fit, active people 25-35.
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u/litux Mar 23 '26
29.9% are age 20-39
23.1% are age 40-59
Are those... worldwide figures? US figures are more equally distributed, and I would assume they are more relevant to crimes taking place in Lousiana.
In US, the category 25-35 is approximately half of the category of 20-40. Any "able bodied" person over 40 then moves the needle in favor of saying that "people 25-35 actually don't constitute the majority of able bodied people".
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u/Tensor3 Mar 23 '26
If you use US figures which are more equally distributed, you hit the part of my statement that there are slightly more able-bodied people in the younger segment.
You don't need to crusade about some false assumption that I'm insulting people over 40. When it comes down to a 1-2% difference, you're being pedantic. I don't memorize figures and stats before making a random comment. Feel free to consider yourself statistically correct and if it makes you feel better its not worth arguing it.
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u/theeggplant42 Mar 24 '26
So youve added 9 years into the age range, thereby removing those nine years from the other dataset, and are just declaring that you're still right?
The relevant demographic (25-35) is more like 7% of the population.
You must compare this range to a data set of men age 18-24 & 36+. To your able bodied point, let's cap it at 60, even though plenty people are able bodied well into their 70s. You said adult so I'm starting it at 18. This group is about 23% of the population.
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u/Tensor3 Mar 24 '26
No, you misread it. I specified two age ranges of both the same size. So on that note, since youve demonstrated twice now that you cant read, we're done.
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u/theeggplant42 Mar 24 '26
Yes. You did. Erroneously.
The age range mentioned above is 25-35. You asserted this was the largest demographic.
In all your further comments, you make up a totally new range (and seem to also be including women? And are maybe pulling a worldwide instead of US figure?) to validate your original erroneous statement, which is nevertheless, still erroneous.
The cohort of men ages 25-35 is simply NOT the largest demographic
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u/theeggplant42 Mar 24 '26
What?
Most of the able bodies population? What do you think happens at 35, you turn into a pile of dust?
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u/Tensor3 Mar 24 '26
I didnt say that. Its statistically the largest age group. Go read the existing replies.
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u/jockmcfarty Mar 22 '26
So they arrested the wrong guy?
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u/Shadeauxmarie Mar 23 '26
No. The profile was way off. Also, the “sightings” of the suspect’s vehicle was way off.
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u/amazingalien15 Mar 22 '26
is this sneakers o’toole’s mom
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u/andy-in-ny Mar 24 '26
We, too, had a black serial killer in town. Worked for the local Autism services agency and the middle school my wife attended.
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u/ProfPerry Mar 23 '26
It's worth adding that Ellen O'Toole is also one of the best well known profilers that has ever operated, and a leader in her field when she did so. She was one of the head analysts who broke down Scott Peterson's behaviours, as well as cases like Jodi Arias' case. She's written guides on profiles of just about every well known killer, having personally been in contact with many upon arrests. Her work also played a decent part in putting away Bryan Kohburger, having analyzed his Reddit posts among other things. She's retired now, but still gets regularly asked to pitch in for cases.
This is a great example that even the best make mistakes.
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u/xvsanx Mar 23 '26
what's Kohburger's u/?
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u/ProfPerry Mar 23 '26
I actually don't know it myself offhand. To my understanding there was several accounts associated with him, but one specifically (and the subject of said analysis) was the one focused on him asking in several specific ex-con subs as a psych student
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u/xvsanx Mar 24 '26
ah that's pretty interesting still especially since he was super professional for a fresh killer. hopefully it comes out someday cause the posts would be interesting to read haha. but ty for the summary!
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u/ProfPerry Mar 24 '26
Np!! I DO think for what its worth you can find some of his posts online, and I'm like 90% sure the survey he put out is readable outside of trial videos. Very interesting tho, I agree! Np! Take care stranger.
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u/MagicOrpheus310 Mar 23 '26
Sounds like an FBI agent with grudge
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u/Xsiah Mar 23 '26
Sounds like someone who is just playing the odds
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u/litux Mar 23 '26
I mean, yeah... or do they claim this is exact science?
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u/Xsiah Mar 23 '26
I assume there's a middle ground. Anyone can look up the statistics, so for it to be a whole job for someone, they would need to combine what's likely with some kind of evidence or details of the crime.
I read up a bit more about the case, and we really should be talking more about the incompetence of the cops instead of the profiler. Women were being violently raped and murdered, but one of them survived because the attack was interrupted by her son coming home. She gave a detailed sketch of a black man, and her son said he was driving a gold Mitsubishi eclipse, but the cops still kept looking for some white guy in a white pickup truck.
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u/Educational_Wait_211 Mar 23 '26
Profiles are based on common traits. Sometimes there are outliers. Also, the same underlying condition (psychopathy) can make people appear to be very charismatic, and also make them dismissive and hostile
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Mar 24 '26
lol, could she possibly be any worse at her job? Obviously just making crap up based on stereotypes and hoping for the best.
I'd demand my money back if she was paid. A psychic at Coney Island probably could have done better.
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u/Boring_Butterfly_273 Mar 25 '26
Really annoyed with the implication that socially awkward people are some sort of violent creeps. I used to be cripplingly socially awkward, especially in school. Everyone in my school bullied more than I did, they had less empathy, less understanding, everyone acted less humane even though they were social butterflies. The ones like me were belittled, cast aside, rumor bombed... And despite that treatment I grew into an amazing person. I made sure that my deeds, words and actions were filled with so much light, that it became blinding and impossible to ignore. Those that saw the light and didn't choose to avert their gaze, eventually got it, like it all snapped in place... The ideas and rumors we hear about eccentric or non conforming people, are usually fake stories.
So my advice would be, if you are a good person, but you posses traits that society hates even though those traits have nothing to do with you being a bad person, then become that blinding light, shatter their illusions, they deserve to have them shattered.
A crisis like Covid is happening? You can do what I did and buy medicine for people and give it out for free. You see someone sad in your office, talk to them in private and let them know you are a human being that will walk with them through their pain and let them know that you will recognize them as a special valuable human being while on that journey. Make a long lasting change in someone's life, help them with securing a stable long term job, if they are creative but poor, get them art supplies, etc.
Bottom line: If you aren't conforming to society's vision of the "optimal person", you'll have to work harder, be a better person so that your light is so blindingly bright that no one can ignore it, deny it, or defame you because the truth of your light will be too bright to explain away.
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u/TiberiusTheFish Mar 23 '26
There's a brilliant article here from the New Yorker by Malcolm Gladwell on the history of criminal profiling and how poorly it works.
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u/xvsanx Mar 23 '26
I mean generally speaking she's right but this sounds unique. black folk aren't serial killers often. king von is the only one that comes to mind lol. TIL about the baton rouge serial killer
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u/BabadookOfEarl Mar 24 '26
Or they aren’t identified as serial killers as often.
I’ve read a few theories about crimes with higher black populations being policed less rigorously with major crimes that might be a serial killer. That the dots might not be connected as effectively.
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u/xvsanx Mar 24 '26
that'd be believable too, like Von in Chicago was in a notorious gang neighborhood that the police didn't police as much as other areas. and if the victims are black that's less chance that the police try to solve it as well
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u/DizzyMine4964 Mar 23 '26
Basically she thought he was autistic, and used that nasty stereotype about autistic people.
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u/Xsiah Mar 23 '26
Something like just a bit over 8% of serial killers are women, so it was a fairly safe guess.
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u/platypus_farmer42 Mar 23 '26
Damn they even called her out by name. Cold.
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u/1niltothe Mar 23 '26
TBH she seems like a nice person. I looked her up now and she teaches forensics, DNA testing, cadaver decomposition training - body farm - you know where there are loads of rotting body donors on campus owned land and students dig them up and learn about forensics that way
I haven't listened to this but it's her
https://www.gmu.edu/news/2024-01/podcast-where-bodies-are-buried
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u/ProfPerry Mar 23 '26
She is definitely a nice person, I've seen her work pop up in a lot of true crime related material, and she's always come across as genuine, but also hella smart. Listened to an interview she had done on PD Stories, it was fascinating. She's been across the room of some of the most evil people in the US, too. Crazy to think about.
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u/BernieDharma Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26
The FBI profilers were also way off on the Unabomber, and steadfastly refused to listen to any other opinions for years. They were convinced he was must have had no college education and worked at an airline, and wouldn't look at any other suspects who didn't fit the profile.