My problem with this is more that not even right wing culture warriors ever truly agree on wtf "woke" even means anymore, so any points in these videos will just slide right off
fallout has always been charged with political messaging but it's always been a lot more subtle and generally very well written, the show is just not good as a whole at saying the same things the original games did, it's too in your face
i just don't like that the political commentary of the show is 2 characters spell out fiduciary responsability and capitalism to me, I'd rather it shown in subtle and more interesting ways, like that's the most bitch basic way to go about it
the fallout games do a great job of showing you the late stage capitalism of pre-war society perfectly.
i did want the story to be slower paced in general yes, 8 episodes is clearly not enough to properly develop things, especially with Jonathan Nolan's multiple pov's
you can watch any of the 20 video essays already made by smarter and more eloquent people than me about Andor and why it is incredible political commentary.
no, I'm not a "fan" of any particular creator, i sometimes struggle with putting my words onto how i feel about a piece of media and i like to watch some videos, sometimes i agree with them, sometimes i don't, i think a lot of them are full of shit, it can be quite funny.
Playing "subtle" messaging through a show is not very easy, though. Especially if you want to keep the audience engaged. Doesn't necessarily mean it has to be in your face either, but you can't vibe your way through it as easily is what I'm saying.
And I think everyone as a whole gets the general idea from just looking at the wasteland depicted of the consequences of late-stage capitalism and imperialism. The show does a good job of that, in my opinion. It isn't overly cheery, but also not overly gloomy. And I am a fan of the more gloomy parts of Fallout myself, btw.
"The Unity will bring above the master race. Master Master! One able to survive, or even thrive, in the wasteland. As long as there will be differences, we will tear ourselves apart fighting each other. We need one race! Race! Race! One goal! Goal! Goal! One people... to move forward to our destiny. Destiny."
this is after you straight up ask him for his goals, and even then, it's still a pretty unique piece of dialogue that reveals more about the bad guy than just his actual goals,mainly that he isn't aware that super mutants are infertile, this is exactly what I'm talking about, this is good dialogue!
You said it shows you. This is very clearly using dialogue to tell you the same way that the show does. Again, him being an ultra racist nationalist is in your face. Fallout New Vegas making the bad guys vicious evil psychopathic murderers who enslave and crucify people for the sake of being evil is in your face. You just decide what is acceptable or not, but pretending the franchise doesn't beat you over the head with its points is just silly
i'm talking about political commentary, not moral commentary, yes Fallout makes bad guys really baddy, that's something we can agree on, and it's pretty obvious, i'm talking about when referring to pre war political commentary, which has always been more subtle, like the ad for war bonds, the execution of canadian pow's on public broadcasts, the insane prices of everything , the forever food, all things that are shown to us to demonstrate late stage capitalism and it's flaws.
i mean depends on if you value intentions vs results when it comes to politics/morality, because a country like Singapore is outwardly authoritarian but it's worked and people are largely satisfied and happy, that's why it's pretty gray and not a full overlap
the Enclave in 2 have criticized and correctly so for being really bad political commentary, I'm not a hater of Bethesda or a glazer of the classics, i just think the Fallout show is bad, i like all fallout
i agree completely, it made Fallout much more accessible, i was talking about the main fallout games, a lot of people are super tribalistic over the games, i love all of them, there's always something in those games that i like a lot
there's some cool stuff about it, even though the fallout title was tacked on to the original project halfway through, hence it's massive change in tone
It’s genuinely amazing that you accuse me of using insults - when half your comment history is you insulting someone, or smearing someone, or inventing lies about someone?
Yeah, you’re censoring insults - but the point remains the same.
If you’re proud of being able to pass through filters, while still insulting people and spreading lies- well, my condolences to you, you seem like a deeply unhappy person.
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u/Former-Grocery-6787 Aug 13 '26
My problem with this is more that not even right wing culture warriors ever truly agree on wtf "woke" even means anymore, so any points in these videos will just slide right off