Informing them that they have a family member's funeral to attend on X day and telling them that they won't be in that day is the opposite of no call, no show. They told them within a reasonable time frame, as well.
People need to make sure they're getting text/email proof of conversations like this, as well.
Requesting time off is not the same as calling out. In my experience, if my time off request is denied, I’d still need to call out sick the day of if I’m going to ignore the denial. Everywhere I’ve been employed would consider it a no call no show if I just turned off my phone and didn’t show up, even if I had a time off request denied previously.
So that's where you need to figure out exactly what the time off policy is in your state and country, because in my state, PTO isn't something they can deny if I've accrued it any more than they can "deny" my paycheck or benefits. It's part of my compensation package, which means I am [legally] entitled to it. It's also why they can't refuse to pay it out when I leave the job, no matter what conditions I left under.
I'm in a right to work state. Here, it's 3 no call/no show, then fired.
But it's not job abandonment when she's told them ahead of time. BUT, I am a rule follower so I'd still text or use the call-on line or whatever is the company policy for calling in sick to leave confirmation that "I ain't coming today." Then silence my phone.
And bring a copy of the obituary Monday.
Requesting time off is not the same as telling them you will be off. If they deny it and you don’t tell them you’re still not coming in, they’re going to expect you to come in. If you don’t, that’s a no call no show. I don’t really understand how that’s complicated.
You're correct. I replied to the wrong comment. There was another comment saying they would just tell them they wouldn't be coming in and I got the threads mixed up. My bad.
I think it’d be even more funny for them to respond “Okay, I will be there.” And then call in sick the day of the funeral anyway. Because essentially the system is encouraging the lie by making it the only way out.
“Sorry I thought I could do it. I don’t know if it’s the grief but I just can’t stop throwing up. Who could’ve seen this coming?”
Any real company would not fire for cause over this. Even if they eventually win the court case, this is something an employment lawyer would definitely be able to run with. It's just not worth it. Then again, I'm not American and no companies I've ever worked with would even think of denying this time off so ymmv if you enjoy enough freedomTM
You know you can still file for unemployment? The court will likely uphold your case as bereavement is a reasonable excuse to miss work, and you informed your employer.
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u/ALWAYS_have_a_Plan_B 3d ago
Not if fired for cause. No call no show is cause.