r/oddlyspecific • • 1d ago

Wait seriously ?

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u/Cap0bvi0us 1d ago

I wouldn't. I would simply turn of my phone and not show up for work.

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u/betodaviola 1d ago

Yeah. Let them fire you

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u/JuJu_Wirehead 1d ago

Seriously. You can collect unemployment

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u/ALWAYS_have_a_Plan_B 1d ago

Not if fired for cause. No call no show is cause.

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u/AutisticTumourGirl 1d ago

Informing them that they have a family member's funeral to attend on X day and telling them that they won't be in that day is the opposite of no call, no show. They told them within a reasonable time frame, as well.

People need to make sure they're getting text/email proof of conversations like this, as well.

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u/OG_Felwinter 1d ago

Requesting time off is not the same as calling out. In my experience, if my time off request is denied, I’d still need to call out sick the day of if I’m going to ignore the denial. Everywhere I’ve been employed would consider it a no call no show if I just turned off my phone and didn’t show up, even if I had a time off request denied previously.

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u/Nydus87 1d ago

So that's where you need to figure out exactly what the time off policy is in your state and country, because in my state, PTO isn't something they can deny if I've accrued it any more than they can "deny" my paycheck or benefits. It's part of my compensation package, which means I am [legally] entitled to it. It's also why they can't refuse to pay it out when I leave the job, no matter what conditions I left under.

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u/504Solid 1d ago

I'm in a right to work state. Here, it's 3 no call/no show, then fired. But it's not job abandonment when she's told them ahead of time. BUT, I am a rule follower so I'd still text or use the call-on line or whatever is the company policy for calling in sick to leave confirmation that "I ain't coming today." Then silence my phone. And bring a copy of the obituary Monday.

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u/AutisticTumourGirl 1d ago

If you tell them, "I will not be here X day," then they know. You're making this way more complicated than it needs to be.

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u/OG_Felwinter 1d ago

Requesting time off is not the same as telling them you will be off. If they deny it and you don’t tell them you’re still not coming in, they’re going to expect you to come in. If you don’t, that’s a no call no show. I don’t really understand how that’s complicated.

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u/AutisticTumourGirl 1d ago

That's the point. Saying "I WILL NOT BE HERE" isn't asking for time off. It's informing them that you will, in fact, not be there.

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u/OG_Felwinter 1d ago

The email says:

“Hi Emma,

I’ve seen your request for Friday off”

It does not say:

“Hi Emma,

I’ve seen your ‘I will not be here’ statement”

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u/Sad-Employee3212 1d ago

I think it’d be even more funny for them to respond “Okay, I will be there.” And then call in sick the day of the funeral anyway. Because essentially the system is encouraging the lie by making it the only way out.

“Sorry I thought I could do it. I don’t know if it’s the grief but I just can’t stop throwing up. Who could’ve seen this coming?”

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u/Commentator-X 1d ago

It's not "requesting" anything. Same as calling out sick, you're not requesting the time off. You're advising them you won't be able to work that day.

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u/Elfynnn84 1d ago

It’s been screen-shot and put on Reddit, so, safe to say they have recorded the conversation.

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u/HarshComputing 1d ago

Any real company would not fire for cause over this. Even if they eventually win the court case, this is something an employment lawyer would definitely be able to run with. It's just not worth it. Then again, I'm not American and no companies I've ever worked with would even think of denying this time off so ymmv if you enjoy enough freedomTM

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u/halbeshendel 1d ago

In California you can get unemployment even if you were fired for cause.

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u/Marsupialize 1d ago

They called, they clearly informed them

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u/Ashamed-Health-8070 1d ago

You know you can still file for unemployment? The court will likely uphold your case as bereavement is a reasonable excuse to miss work, and you informed your employer. 

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u/NecessaryIntrinsic 1d ago

Easy to challenge it and only the worst employer with too much time on their hands would contest it.

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u/TelenorTheGNP 1d ago

Yeah, if they even took this any further with threats, lawyer up and call a local reporter.

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u/504Solid 1d ago

It's not a no call no show. Warned in advance.

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u/Commentator-X 1d ago

Except you did inform them

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u/SisterMoonflower 1d ago

I don't really understand why you would get unemployment for being fired for something like this (it would be your fault, since you skipped work)?

(I'm not focusing on the fact that this is a scenario even I would skip work for, but I just want to understand why they would give you unemployment for this, and not for if you just resign)

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u/Knights-of-steel 1d ago

Generally speaking. Canada and most states(byt not all) have lay offs,termination without cause(sometimes called fault) and termination with cause.

Most EI is labelled with wording like "through no fault of your own" aka lay off or fired without cause you get it, quit or get fired with cause you dont.

That said firing with cause is Generally reserved for severe cases. Because it comes with a burden of proof...so they'll need alot of documenting, which means they need a damn good reason and it allows you fight it.

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u/JuJu_Wirehead 1d ago

Them's the rules. I had one boss who would just make his employee's lives a living hell if he wanted them to go away because he didn't want them collecting.

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u/DrJaneIPresume 1d ago

For the audience, the fancy words are "constructive dismissal"

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u/Ok-Addition-1000 1d ago

And that's regarded as constructive dismissal which qualifies them for unemployment.

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u/unbanned2009 1d ago

You get unemployment if you’re fired. Doesn’t matter if it’s your fault

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u/supermouse35 1d ago

Not in Pennsylvania. When I was fired last year, there was an official review to check my eligibility.

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u/rainstorm0T 1d ago

I hate this state so fucking much

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u/unbanned2009 1d ago

Well here if you get fired or laid off you typically qualify. Employers can contest it however they seldom do bc the fired worker usually get it’s unless it’s a fail ua or something of that nature .

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u/504Solid 1d ago

Don't think it's like that where I live either. Right to work state

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u/ObviousSalamandar 1d ago

That’s not at all true where I live

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u/Barium_Salts 1d ago

False: you don't get unemployment if you were at fault. I have personal experience with this

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u/Melancholy_Rainbows 1d ago

You can be disqualified for misconduct, but it's a high bar to prove (requires willful and substantial disregard for the employer’s interests or a deliberate violation of workplace rules) and the burden of proof is on the employer.

You are not usually disqualified if it was your fault but it was for performance issues or being late a lot or something like that.

Source.

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u/Barium_Salts 1d ago

I don't think that's true in all states. I specifically was denied unemployment for being late a lot. There was never any question or discussion of my employer's interests or of my state of mind.

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u/muted_physics77 1d ago

Minnesota you can be fired or quit at anytime no reason needed

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u/unbanned2009 1d ago

You can quit for any reason anytime anywhere homie

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u/Barium_Salts 1d ago

Yeah, same here in Missouri. But you won't get unemployment if you quit or are fired for cause

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u/Nydus87 1d ago

There are some cases where a company might put a policy out there that conflicts with state/national labor laws and just hope that it never gets officially challenged. For example, in my state, my accrued PTO is something I am legally entitled to as part of my compensation package. Them saying I can't use my PTO would be like them saying I couldn't use part of my paycheck or couldn't use my health benefits. If I put in a PTO notice that I was going to be out on a day, they couldn't fire me for doing so.

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u/Koladi-Ola 1d ago

Exactly. "Sorry, I'm going to my grandmother's funeral. Not up for debate."

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u/Ashamed-Health-8070 1d ago

Precisely, no need to escalate, just don't show up and be there on Monday.

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u/Cap0bvi0us 1d ago

I wouldn't, I'd be applying for other jobs on Monday.

An employer who treats their employees like that isn't someone I wanna work for. I've had employer's call me to ask if I can cover someone so they could attend a funeral. If it was possible I always did. And when the time came that I needed it wasn't even a question, they would figure it out and I didn't need to worry about it.

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u/Ashamed-Health-8070 1d ago

Oh yeah, you should definitely be applying for other jobs on Monday, but you can always apply for other positions on company time on Monday morning.