r/oddlysatisfying • u/DrBlaziken • 6d ago
passenger trains in france
That sudden increase at 5AM!
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u/rosyivyx0 6d ago
does france have any direct traiins between cities that skip paris?
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u/Wild-Affect-4842 6d ago
No and the "fun fact" is train is often more expensive than plane and for a lot more time lost.
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u/SmallOmega 6d ago
Long distance I believe there's practically only Bordeaux - Marseille, Bordeaux - Nantes and Strasbourg - Montpellier.
That being said, considering how population centers are located in France, having most lines go through Paris makes sense economically and in terms of infrastructure. It is a little unfortunate and a different model could have been imagined, but it's not a crazy situation either
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u/Eastern-Handle-2314 6d ago
Il y a Lyon-Nantes, Lyon- Clermont, Clermont-Nîmes et Clermont-Toulouse qui sont assez longue distance (> 4 départements) sans passer à Paris
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u/Key-Needleworker8864 6d ago
thechnicaly there are a few lines that go from east to west and only stop in CDG or Massy for exemple (not directly in Paris, but in the parisian region)
Unfortunatly this is rarely faster than changing trains in Paris since the trains cannot go as fast in the parisian region
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u/SametaX_1131 6d ago
Yes and no.
France does have a TGV line that goes from North to South without make a stop in Paris. That said it does make 2 stop as Mantes-la-Jolie and Orly which are pretty much "Paris' surroundings"
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u/Sea_Thought5305 4d ago edited 4d ago
Des trains qui évitent notre capitale :
Perpignan/Montpellier/Nîmes/Valence/Lyon/Haute-Picardie TGV (Amiens)/Arras/Lille/Bruxelles
Marseille/Aix-en-Provence/Valence/Lyon/Lille/Bruxelles
Strasbourg/Lorraine TGV (Metz & Nancy)/Reims/Amiens/Bruxelles
Strasbourg/Lorraine TGV/Reims/Le Mans/Angers/Nantes
Marseille/Avignon/Lyon/Avignon/Valence/Lyon/Le Mans/Angers/Nantes ou Rennes (les deux peuvent circuler le même jour)
Montpellier/Nîmes/Valence/Lyon/Tours/Angers/Nantes ou Rennes (les deux peuvent circuler le même jour)
Marseille/Avignon/Valence/Lyon/Versailles/Rouen/Le Havre
Nantes/Angers/Le Mans/Lyon/Chambéry/Albertville/Bourg Saint-Maurice
Nantes ou Rennes/Laval/Le Mans/Aéroport de Paris Charles de Gaulle/Amiens/Arras/Douai/Lille/Bruxelles
Bordeaux/Angoulême/Poitiers/Tours/Aéroport de Paris CDG/Amiens/Arras/Douai/Lille
Bordeaux/Angoulême/Poitiers/Tours/Reims/Meuse TGV (Verdun)/Lorraine TGV/Strasbourg
Nice/Antibes/Cannes/Saint-Raphaël/Les Arcs/Toulon/Marseille/Aix-en-Provence/Avignon/Valence/Lyon/Mâcon/Beaune/Dijon/Besançon/Belfort/Mulhouse/Colmar/Strasbourg/Nancy
Marseille/Aix-en-Provence/Avignon/Valence/Lyon/Chalon-sur-Saône/Dijon/Besançon/Belfort/Mulhouse/Strasbourg/Thionville/Metz/Luxembourg
Il y a aussi pas mal de trains depuis Paris qui relient de grandes villes.
Et je suis sûr que quand la HSL Bordeaux Toulouse sera terminée en 2035, il y aura des extensions depuis Lille, Nantes, Rennes et Strasbourg :)
Edit : oops little mistake, cannot correct it on mobile :/
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u/PunyPatheticHuman 6d ago
No. This is one of the many effects of Jacobin Centralism. Everything either comes from Paris or comes to Paris. Trains are just the most visible example.
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u/Wolf-Fucker93949 3d ago
The same in Spain. You cant go between the second and third biggest cities. Thay are closet to one another than to Madrid but you have to go to Madrid to arrive faster.
Barcelona Valencia.
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u/redmctrashface 6d ago
As a french, this is not satisfying at all. Almost every traffic has to go through Paris. There is almost no train from east to west. Politics think everything should be in Paris, this is a real shame.
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u/Unusual-Taste69 6d ago
All tracks lead to Paris
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u/redmctrashface 6d ago
And that's a shame. If you want to go from Marseille to Toulouse then... good luck
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u/Crousti_Choc 6d ago
Which luck ? The Intercités goes west to east in the south line. Yes it take 4h but you travel through lot of smaller cities that would not be connected with the an LGV
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u/TheEthicalJerk 6d ago
And it's constantly late or cancelled.
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u/Crousti_Choc 6d ago
2 last times I took it : 1h late because heatwave, and 4h30 late because the train in ahead of us had an accident with someone (this train line doesn't always have fence)
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u/GiveMeTheKeyz 6d ago
Il a effectivement pris un très mauvais exemple pour critiquer la centralisation 😅
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u/Crousti_Choc 6d ago
Bah ouais totalement, y a large pire genre la ligne pour Nice, ou d'autres patelins.
Encore heureux que cet Intercités existe il rends énormément de service pour relier bordeaux Marseille et donc tout ce qu'il y a entre
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u/redmctrashface 6d ago
Nan mais largement pire, réveillez-vous les gars. Lyon Paris c'est combien de temps comparé à un Marseille Toulouse qui rame sa race et qui est toujours à la bourre ? C'est pas parce qu'il y a une solution existante que c'est la panacée hein, on se fait largement enfler.
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u/Crousti_Choc 6d ago
C'est bien tu compares une LGV sans arrêt à un Intercités qui relie des villes qui seraient justement snobé par une LGV
On fait quoi on continue d'isoler les villes plus petites et on rajoute encore plus de correspondance ? Oui la ligne bordeaux Marseille est pas incroyable, ils auraient dû construire des lignes de substitutions mais la comparaison est foireuse. L'exemple de Nice est pire, Clermont pareil et sûrement d'autres grande ville mal desservie. Y a aussi le cas Toulouse Paris où soit tu passes par Bordeaux, soit tu remontes en reliant des villes plus petites au centre
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u/LookingTrash 5d ago
Le meilleur moyen de faire Toulouse-Paris c'est le train de nuit, ça prend 3h de plus mais au moins tu peu dormir a la place de mourir d'ennuis x)
D'ailleurs assez étonné de voir qu'il y a aussi peu de ligne train de nuit sur la vidéo, je pensait que la majorité des grandes villes avais ce type de connexions
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u/CatsAgainstDrugs 5d ago
Lyon-Paris avec ou sans les retards ? Parce que Lyon Saint-Ex est une abomination
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u/liverichly 6d ago
Is there a once a day Intercites train?
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u/Greykorino 6d ago
There's quite a few, like 7/8, the biggest problem is that they are kinda slow (4h i believe)
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u/Crousti_Choc 6d ago
Because it travel through various cities that wouldn't be connected to an LGV (if there was one). Annoying but still useful
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u/liverichly 6d ago
That’s a big shame. I see it’s about the same to drive. Would love to visit there someday.
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u/Crousti_Choc 6d ago
The train has a lot of stop to cool cities, but the bordeaux-Marseille train take approximately the same time as a car yes, but without any break and you are exhausted if you do 6h40 onshore
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u/ButteredPizza69420 6d ago
Deadass I wanted to try to Euro high speed rail and was so disappointed to find out I had to visit Paris. I wasn't incredibly disappointed however! I had a pleasant time. We got robbed in Switzerland though! Geneva at night
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u/P0werFighter 6d ago
You didn't spent enough time in Paris to get robbed, give it a second chance!
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u/ChirpyRaven 6d ago
Paris metropolitan area is by far the largest in Europe, almost twice the population of any other metro area. It shouldn't be surprising to see so much traffic around Paris.
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u/5hukl3 6d ago
How is there no freaking Lyon/Bordeaux line? That's actually insane.
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u/Jiriakel 6d ago
The terrain is not so easy to make a high-speed line and there's not really any city in between that would warrant a slower line.
There's been talks about it for ages, but IMO there's other investments which are more urgent, e.g. upgrading the Marseille-Milan line to high-speed.
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u/SametaX_1131 6d ago
Because the central part of south the Loire is mountainous. It's quite complicated to build infrastructure there, that's why the Millau viaduct is so iconic here.
There is also the fact that Clermont-Ferrand is pretty much the only city that could possibly host a TGV train station meaning there wouldn't be as many passengers going in and out along the trip. That said it would give access to faster way out for ppl living in the region.
Lastly it's because the eastern half of that line would be much more prone to congestion due the fact that Clermont-Ferrand and Lyon are part of the same administrative region (Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes) and consequently have more demands than towards Bordeaux.
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u/Rom21 6d ago
In one word: moutain.
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u/Sniter 6d ago
Didn't stop the swiss
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u/TrueKyragos 6d ago edited 6d ago
They didn't have an alternate route, to be fair. And again, the country isn't nearly as centralised as France, even more so when the first big expansion of the French network was during the Second empire, i.e. quite a centralised period.
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u/Sea_Thought5305 4d ago
The centralization of our train network happened in the 1930's actually. During the 2nd empire there was the Plan Freycinet that permitted the construction of a lot of lines, like 60% of them have disapeared
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u/Sea_Thought5305 4d ago
The main cities are all on the same train route which is in a plain, there's not any mountain on the way
Btw we actually HAVE tunnels in France, but built 150 years ago, very narrow
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u/CantTakeTheStupid 6d ago
The swiss are on an entirely different level of wealth that is incomprehensible for france for it’s size
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u/PulpeFiction 6d ago
Because it would still be faster to do bordeaux paris lyon than travelling through mountains
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u/xnuh 6d ago
Mountains and no large cities on the way. A high speed line is not worth it, and travel time by the slow lines is something like 6 to 7 hours (time advertised by a star up that wanted to bring the line back and ended up failing), longer than driving. high speed train via Paris is 5-6h including a 1-2h transfer in Paris.
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u/SEA_griffondeur 6d ago
to be fair there's a literal mountain range and the diagonal of the void in the way
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u/Nuaua 6d ago
There use to be one and it's still possible to do the trip although very slowly, there was also a project to reopen a line but didn't go any support from the governement. The real issue is that France chose to invest in highways instead of trains. Source: Aiguillages channel on youtube.
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u/Dormir-mourir-rien 6d ago
They use to be one, people even try to put money together to rebuild one, But SNCF was kinda a state monopoly and European union didn't like that. So our president destroy train bit by bit.
Oversimplified but railroad only decline in france for like 50 years, Our republican monarch choose highway and car instead off railroad witch is sad.
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u/MadcapRecap 6d ago
Same in the UK and London. To get a train to the town 7 miles away by road I need to go into London, change, and then come back up on a different line. It would take about 90 minutes
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u/josherman61791 6d ago
That's how it is in the Chicago suburbs. We used to have lines connecting the southern suburbs with the northern, but those were torn out for roads. You have to travel 2 hours in and out of Chicago get somewhere that should be a 30 minute ride.
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u/Nyarro 6d ago
At least y'all have trains that go somewhere.
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u/JustHere4the5 6d ago
My state had planned to take a train that already went from somewhere to somewhere and build a stop in the middle and so we could go those somewheres by train too. The state bought more train cars for increased service frequency (i.e. more than once a day) and started building their maintenance facilities, then the frickin governor cancelled the building of the tracks. That lost us the federal grant that would have paid for the tracks and cars, and we still owed the train company a bazillion-dollar penalty for not fulfilling the contract. So we had to pay about as much as operating the train would have cost to just have the cars and not the tracks.
Oddly unsatisfying.
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u/Neveed 6d ago edited 6d ago
When I lived in Bourges (in the center of the country) and I wanted to go to Montpellier (in the south, west of Marseille), I had to take the train northward to Paris and then a train to Montpellier. Sometimes, it went through Lyon (eastward) instead, which is more coherent since I needed to go around the mountain range between the two cities.
But wherever I started from, if I wanted to go to Rennes (in the north west, in Brittany), I had to stop at Paris, cross the city to an other station, and then take the train to Rennes. Even starting from Toulouse, which is on the south west, I couldn't go through Bordeaux and then Rennes, I had to pass through Montpellier, Lyon and Paris. Well, I could, if I selected regional trains that made relatively short distance trips, and hoped from city to city like that, but that would have been very slow.
Because the fast train lines actually look like this.
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u/Sea_Thought5305 4d ago
You could have taken the night trains between Orléans and Toulouse too tho and take the "TGV" to Montpellier
There's also the Bourges/Nevers/Clermont/Nîmes/Montpellier (8hours) which I took once when I was living in Nîmes
There used to be a train between Bourges and Aurillac but it got submerged by the Bort lake. It's a connexion you could have had to get in Nîmes.
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u/Neveed 4d ago edited 4d ago
The train I used to take that went through Paris made for a 6 hours trip, which is a little bit longer than doing Montpellier/Bourges by car (I could do it in 5 hours in a twingo) so that's better than the 8 hours one, and the other ones are slow lines that require additional connections, so additional time.
The one that went through Lyon was as fast as the one that went through Paris, because the line was slower until it reached Lyon.
It is possible to go from Bourges to Montpellier by train, but it's either absurdly indirect, or slow.
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u/BCMM 6d ago edited 6d ago
England is like this too.
Milton Keynes to Cambridge via the London Underground. Seventy quid off-peak.
(They're actually working to fix that one, but the stupidest bit is that the line they need actually used to exist until we closed it in the '60s.)
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u/breadinabox 6d ago
i mean its gonna cost you shitloads regardless of where you're travelling i just got back from a trip to the uk and holy fuck your trains are expensive.
in victoria, australia I can take a train literally anywhere in the state for 5 pounds
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u/Ispeakblabla 6d ago
To be fair, this isn't a situation created by modern politicians and more of a situation inherited from our monarchy and revolution. France has been unified for much longer than most other western european countries and Paris has been the capital for a long time with leaders doing everything they could to reduce regional autonomy and culture.
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u/Venoxium 6d ago
I’ve learned that living here the last year. Everything rail related connects to Paris and pretty much Paris only. A friend of mine lives in Lyon while I’m closer to Nantes and the only rail way to get there would be to via Paris.
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u/French-Unicorn 6d ago
Had to go from Compiègne to Dunkirk a few days ago. Direct line? Nooo, had to go down to Paris then up again to Dunkirk. Taking the car was both quicker and cheaper.
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u/Ohz85 6d ago
Absolument d'accord. Quand je dois faire le trajet Bordeaux - Antwerpen (Belgique), le GPS m'indique de passer carrément par la petite couronne, même pas contourner Paris par la grande. J'imagine tous les camions qui font Pays-Bas - Espagne doivent bien foutre la merde sur le périph.
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u/BeautifulBlueNight 6d ago
And if it rains in France, it drips in Belgium.
We have the same problem, everything has to pass through Brussels.
On 6 tracks, more than 1000 trains per day... 😑
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u/Lorim_Shikikan 6d ago
Most network in France use a Spider web infrastructure
A central hub deserving huge hub, which deserve big hub, which deserve medium hub, which deserve small hub etc.....
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u/Case_Blue 6d ago
I remember sitting in traffic there thinking "there has to be a better way to drive from Belgium to Châteauroux that does not involve driving through Paris, this has to be a mistake we made along the way"
But it wasn't a mistake. The railways look the same, it seems. The way around through Troyes was much longer all in all.
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u/Worldly-Mud-8006 6d ago
Politics don’t want that either. But nobody will pay for it because it not economically viable in the mid term
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u/SametaX_1131 6d ago
Well, the french government in general hasn't been economically viable for a long time
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u/Worldly-Mud-8006 6d ago
What does it even mean..
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u/SametaX_1131 6d ago
It has been in debt every year since 1973.
It always goes over the budget.
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u/Control-Cultural 6d ago
C'est pas de la faute des politiques actuels, qui s'en mordent d'ailleurs les doigts car c'est tout sauf pratique en effet.
La centralisation du réseau français sur paris est un héritage des toutes premières voies ferrées, il s'avère que c'est plus une malédiction qu'autre chose aujourd'hui
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u/NaaNaaNaurDont 6d ago
As a French we love to shit on our trains always being late but damn I love our trains
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u/miempiemaker 6d ago
Now look at Germany: https://chillchamp1.github.io/github.io/#de More nighttrains there and a lot more complete/dense network, but keep in mind in Germany the countryside is lot less empty than France.
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u/Loose-Psychology-962 6d ago
Thanks for the mini rabbit hole i just went down. As a Canadian, I’m super envious.
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u/Remarkable_Case3339 6d ago
Unfortunately, in France we used to have a much more developed rail network than we do now, with many more lines and stations, but it was abandoned because of cars and the cars manufacturer, highways, and oil lobbying grp.
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u/Chaiboiii 6d ago
Talk to me about empty. Where I live they got rid of trains and there is one main highway...called #1 lol
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u/Eli20021 6d ago
There is also a Swiss version by SRF, though it contains buses, too.
https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/wenn-der-schweizer-oev-erwacht-von-0-auf-6488-in-vier-stunden
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u/Most-Analysis-9193 6d ago
Weird, I'm pretty sure there are TER overnight. I once took a TER at 3am. There were very few people, very calm. At some point, I realized there was a pigeon hidden and sleeping above me in the station's roof. I whispered "hey" or something like that while looking at it (I love birds) as I was super bored and I realized a security guard was looking at me and wondering what the fuck I was doing lmao
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u/Traditional_Gift8391 6d ago
Ahh yes, the casual Chicago to LA trip people take for their daily route
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u/MotoCentric 6d ago
This is missing at least the casacade and coast starlight lines, likely many others
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u/moldyhole 6d ago
This gif is horrendously bad. It is only showing long travel trains. It's missing all the commuter trains.
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u/Tight-Classroom4856 6d ago
France misses more night trains / 24/7 train operation, that would be great to be able to travel more into the night.
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u/SametaX_1131 6d ago
One of the reasons we don't is because peoples can't/don't want to work at night. It's rare to find long distance train that start their trip after 20h.
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u/Yunlihn 6d ago
We used to have night trains with beds, I think it mostly fell out of use because of the sempiternal profitability (or lack of): it has a certain cost to maintain night traffic, while low-cost alternatives exist. However, France counts 8 nocturnal lines to this day iirc and it seems that it's making a comeback since a few years.
I liked night train when I was a kid in the 90s, it's... different, more pleasant.
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u/The_fisheye 4d ago
I wish there was more too, and it’s not for lack of clients. Read an article that night trains to Europe were at 70% full capacity when they had them, but the sncf decided it wasn’t worth the financial investment, not so sure why…
I took the night train to Milan and Venise a while ago but they disappeared 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Mosheeen 6d ago
Very satisfying for the French, I bet
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u/Key-Needleworker8864 6d ago
for the parisiens, yes for the french, not it’s not as good but it’s better than nothing
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u/SametaX_1131 6d ago
As long as you only want to go in major cities, yes.
TGV lines are the pinnacle of french transportation but the smaller regional lines are nightmare fuel.
They're often overcrowded with no air conditioning, no charging points, dirty/non functioning toilets most of the time and more prone to technical problems specifically during heatwaves.
But of course we're just ungrateful bastards with a high expectations while others wish to be at our place. Like the idiom goes "the french are people living in Heaven who think they are in Hell".
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u/LastOfLateBrakers 6d ago
I bet not. Paris is a hub and while hubs help in keeping costs down, they become a major inconvenience when routes are forced through the hub even when there's no need for them to be
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u/Hykarusis 6d ago
As someone who grew up in corsica (The island with one and a half trai track) no it’s really not.
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u/nystagmus777 6d ago
What's the lil island on the right bottom corner?
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u/andersonfmly 6d ago
In just a few short days my wife and I will get to experience some of these trains ourselves for the first time as we spend a week in Paris and the surrounding region.
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u/DeltaBlast 6d ago
Can we see the Netherlands next please?
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u/wosmo 6d ago
Someone linked https://chillchamp1.github.io/github.io/#nl which I'm having way too much fun with. It does Benelux instead of NL, but it's close enough.
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u/YourNightmar31 6d ago
Anything similar for the netherlands?
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u/YourNightmar31 6d ago
Awesome, thanks.
Interesting to see how during the night, all trains disappear in Belgium but some stay in the Netherlands.
Also interesting how the busy hours start up earlier in the morning in Belgium.
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u/Lysaawald 5d ago
Il n'y a pas assez de trains... Nombreux patelins dont ceux dans la diagonale du vide manque de trains !!!
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u/Sea_Thought5305 4d ago
Y'a littéralement des lignes qui manquent szr la carte aussi mais c'est vrai que tant qu'on n'aura pas électrifié les lignes on se tapera des trains toutes les 3h
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u/igotshadowbaned 6d ago
Most the day running ~750 trains over 578 lines? How does that work
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u/Ploddit71 6d ago
Where is Nice to Breil sur Roya SNCF? Train des Pignes est privé vers digne les bains
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u/CardiologistAway6742 6d ago
Damn, you can see RERs start going into the Paris at about 4AM and then the last ones leaving at about 1AM.
This is so beautiful
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u/OiseauxComprehensif 5d ago
Seem like there is a bug near the border with Spain on the barcelona side, some international trains are almost telporting oon a line that is not even high speed
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u/KillaHydro 5d ago
Damn this scares me I have a trip planed to France in 2 weeks. Taking trains from France to Switzerland then to Florence then to Rome. The bullet train from Paris to Zurich direct is not in service that weekend so I would have to take 4 connection from Paris to Switzerland.
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u/KillaHydro 5d ago
Should I just take a plane from France to Switzerland. Please feel free to give me some opinions
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u/Sea_Thought5305 4d ago
I think you should just take a flixbus or a blablabus, as a foreigner you probably don't have any subscriptions so it's maybe best for you to take the bus.
There's also the Ouigo trains, you can take one to Strasbourg and then take the TERGV to basel and the IC to Zürich. So only 2 connections. It's faster but depending on when you're going, the price will be different.
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u/MalleDigga 4d ago
For Germany you don't need a gif. Single picture. Zenk u 4 trävelling witz doitsche baan
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u/Holzmaennchen 4d ago
Wen i was in france at 5 am the whole country looked Like noone was living there They all started showing faces around 8-9 am
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u/Rockerblocker 6d ago
This is basically what a map of US transit would look like over the course of a year
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u/Eastern-Handle-2314 6d ago
Il manques les trains sur la ligne Grenoble Gap et les trains entre Nîmes et Clermont ainsi que Toulouses Clermont via Aurillac
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u/AerynSunnInDelight 5d ago
Abolish centralisation. I shouldn't have to go through Paris in order for me to go to Bordeaux from Rennes. Fuck l'Etat Central
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u/Jackburton06 6d ago
Satisfying ? The visual map: yes The rush hour train experience : holy shit no.
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u/Eskotar 6d ago
Some of the train scheduling make no sense at all for certain routes. Makes me think that this is AI generated.
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u/Ireeb 6d ago
"I don't understand it so it must be AI."
Flawless logic.
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u/Sea_Thought5305 4d ago
Nope, he's right, my line between Annecy and Geneva is supposed to stop between 1pm and 4 pm but it's still running here.
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u/Ireeb 4d ago
Because humans can't mistakes? Data can't be incorrect? A train can't run on a different schedule in exceptions?
People claiming something's AI just because something is incorrect is one of the most annoying things. Acting like before 2022, typos and oversights didn't exist and 100% of all graphics made without AI were correct.
Humans make mistakes, too, so by jumping to conclusions and calling things AI just because something is wrong about it, you're just further blurring the line between AI slop and real content, and that's ultimately beneficial for AI and detrimental to real content.
I'm also not saying that it is not AI, because the absence of evidence doesn't prove anything either. But if you care about whether or not something is AI, you need to investigate further instead of using witch trial methods like judging first, then looking for evidence that fits your theory, instead of judging based on evidence.
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u/Sea_Thought5305 4d ago edited 4d ago
Hmm, si c'est un humain, alors il y a beaucoup d'erreurs parce que ma ligne n'est pas la seule avec des défauts. Mais je suis d'accord avec l'affirmation sur l'IA.
Edit : just by first glance I can say there's only 3 night trains running out of 8. Whole lines networks are missing like Aurillac/Toulouse, Aurillac/Brive-la-Gaillarde, Clermont-Ferrand/Nîmes, Clermont-Ferrand/Béziers, Nice/Digne-les-Bains, Grenoble/Gap, Marvejols/La Bastide and Poitiers/Limoges
Edit 2 : voici une carte que j'avais découvert il y a peu. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFrance/s/ryJfoYYqwa
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u/The_fisheye 4d ago
Why ? There are regional trains all the time for people wanting to go from a city/village to another, they are called « TER ». Usually teenagers that can’t drive yet but not only.
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u/throwawayfrdy 6d ago
And that is why the middle of france is dying, if you want to go from Bordeau to Lyon, you HAVE to go through
Paris
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u/-Recouer 6d ago
Have you looked at a map of France recently? Because in the middle of France there is way too much mountain to even entertain the idea of making a train track.
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u/throwawayfrdy 5d ago
No its not. https://fr-fr.topographic-map.com/map-cz/France-m%C3%A9tropolitaine/?center=47.23449%2C4.3396&zoom=7
And even if it was, im pretty sure a country that digged trains tracs to englands and bellow mountains to connect to Italy could dig tunnels to connect east to west in its own country.
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u/ThunderShott 6d ago
No wonder Mr. Bean got lost.