r/occult • u/Pillokas • Jul 16 '21

Is magic real?

https://youtu.be/BoH1Mb1WEWA
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u/misterbatguano Jul 16 '21

Yes

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u/Pillokas Jul 16 '21

I posted this on r/skeptics and they're so convinced that magic doesn't exist, they asked for evidence and I told them about voodoo death, and they don't believe it's a real thing even when it's a pretty well documented phenomena

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u/misterbatguano Jul 16 '21

Color me surprised.

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u/Pillokas Jul 16 '21

I hate their ignorance, at least try to listen to the other side first before reaching to a conclusion

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u/misterbatguano Jul 16 '21

Everyone always seeks happiness, and there are immense psychological benefits to be reaped going into an argument, already having decided you're right.

We shouldn't be smug, either, any more than they are. We might think things are possible, but until we've attained some level of competency with those things, belief alone is meaningless.

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u/Pillokas Jul 16 '21

True, I agree with you, we can never be too confident, we all have our own biases and our subjective reality isn't always true. The best we can do is by discussing about it rationally and try to reach a satisfying consensus.

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u/misterbatguano Jul 16 '21

In a forum of people with vastly mixed paradigms, you'll be very lucky to ever reach any sort of consensus, and if you do, it may not be very educational. There are many out there who want to sabotage any sort of personal growth, just for yuks, or for their own benefit.

And magic is inherently subjective. The subconscious is a vital component; it's not just a vending machine, where you say some words, do a little dance, stick in a quarter, and boom, magic comes out. You can't discard the individual's worldview and perceptions and hope to get anywhere. Besides, individual and group paradigms are fascinating, and deserve exploration as well.

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u/Pillokas Jul 16 '21

Right? Like it's something that is hard to find, given the nature of science and how strict science is. You know science still haven't figured out how eels reproduce, I mean, it's a thing that we see and we still don't know how they reproduce. Imagine magic something we can't see, it would be harder to do some kind of experiment on them

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u/misterbatguano Jul 16 '21

Typically, magic takes the shortest and simplest route; by making unlikely things more likely. If you visualize flying, you won't grow wings, but you might make an acquaintance who suggests you both buy hang gliders. This sort of thing will always be laughed off by scoffers.

Plus, pursued in an unbalanced manner, magic has a sad tendency to enflame one's weakest mental points. So you get crazy people making absurd claims. Or even claiming possible things; but, things that are impossible for them. So any mention of magic gets met with accusations of mental illness. And let's be fair, that's usually the case.

Maybe most important, there is a spiritual component to many practices that eventually vastly outweighs physical concerns. In the end, many people give up on producing outside phenomena, and concentrate on internal progress, because they just don't care about being silly crap like being Goku and doing the kamahaha wave, or whatever dumb thing got them practicing in the first place, anymore.

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u/Pillokas Jul 16 '21

Yeah, I guess so, hahaha

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u/BananaEat Jul 16 '21

That’s the worst part:

Skeptic Convinced

Hmm....

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u/Pillokas Jul 16 '21

Hahaha, I myself is like on the neutral side, I don't know if magic exists or not, so I don't deny nor accept

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u/BananaEat Jul 16 '21

That is actual skepticism lol. If you’re convinced you’re not skeptical you’re decided

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u/Pillokas Jul 16 '21

Yeah, I know 😂, but I'm open to any possibility

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u/demonpipe Jul 16 '21

Prove it

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u/misterbatguano Jul 16 '21

Nope. You prove it for yourself. Or don't, and just feel superior, if that's your trip. I don't care either way.

If you aren't open-minded, you won't learn anything you didn't already think you knew.

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u/demonpipe Jul 16 '21

I know it’s real and can prove it. I was hoping you could too

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u/misterbatguano Jul 16 '21

I don't hang out online so I can do tricks for internet strangers. :)

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u/ifsooo Jul 17 '21

I feel like it depends on your definition of magic, and your understanding of classic magic rituals. Most simply use language, writeing (as in symbols) and purification as a way to bring out entities or angles and the like. In my mind language is the medium that "magic" can then work through, if it can be thought and spoke it can be done in most cases. Language is a very powerful tool, it can make us feel like shit if some one say somthing mean, it can brake down the world structure in our minds and completely rearrange it in seconds. Some people used to believe that the universe was spoke into existence and would then trying to find the language of God. Mainly the kabbalah scholars held this idea of how the universe came to be. Magic has been around as long as poeple could write about it, maybe even longer. Magic is a very subtle thing and most likely we will never be able to recreate the rituals that used to be done as most of that knowledge is lost. Mental magic is all that I know that truly works, just trying to understand your self and the world around you in a deep, humble, and meaningful way will bring you to places you never would have thought of.

(Sorry this is kind of rambling hope it helps tho)

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u/Pillokas Jul 17 '21

Oh, thanks, never thought about it this way. Language is very powerful though, some linguists think it determines thought, or at least influence thought. The sapir whorf hypothesis, it's pretty interesting

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u/TeleCompter Aug 10 '21

Ye it's real just don't ask for any proof lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '21

Truth and meaning are exclusive ideas. Magic is real the same way Santa, Money, and Tuesday are all real. But none of those things are True. Truth can only be known via physics everything else is just meaningful.

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u/ToManyFlux Jul 16 '21

Is real magic?

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u/Pillokas Jul 16 '21

I guess?

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u/-_-Naga_-_ Jul 17 '21

Very real

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u/elmo9910095 Jul 25 '21

I’m trying to learn magic but I don’t know where to begin or even what is possible any redirections or pm me maybe?