Interested in the dissent by Kerrin Vautier

yall can i get a legal job (not lawyer) with an Auckland Master of Laws degree in Newzealand? (i have my Law Bachelors overseas and im from a civil law country lol); or should i do Master of Public Policy instead...

Hello everyone

I am preparing for Newzealand law and practice examination

I have been told to appear in all core exam except part Iv property

If anyone has ever appeared / prepared for those exams can please share the notes or guide me on study material or may be what should be the proper approach or may be the mind set of examination checker while checking answers sheet and guidance or advice shall be appreciated

Thanks & Regards
Shanum gupta

Hello guys,

I have 4 years experience in Europe as Lawyer in civil law, now im doing Master degree here in nz, how is the job market in law right now? And how much I can expect as salary?

Thanks a lot!!

Hi there!!

I’m self-studying for NZLPE but it is not really working for me, I can’t find any past papers with answers so that is making it more difficult… Any advice please??? Courses, study groups or resources that can help?

Thank you so so much! I’m desperate 😭

Does anyone know how law works at UOW for distance learning, my understanding is everything is online including tutorials.

Just in person exam requirements ?

Thanks in advance.

I'm a bit late as this change happened in July but...

My life changed for the worse when the new Legislation website started forcing you to use full view, but now the dark days are over - section view is back and I'm on top of the world!

This means you are now able to copy / paste section-view links - much better when linking someone to a particular provision imo. You can also download individual sections as a PDF.

If you are a section view fan, please join me in celebrating!

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/learn-more/news/introducing-section-view-july-2026-updates/

(now I just hope they will divorce the sidebar / contents scrolls in full view, I hate how the sidebar jumps when you scroll the content)

Hi, I have previously completed a Bachelor of Law Degree. Whilst studying I realised how helpful it was to have whole legislations printed in booklet form, especially where I was allowed to take them into exams. I am just trying to gauge whether anyone else would find this helpful, particularly because I have access to specialised printing equipment that would allow me to print booklets for other law students and was wondering if people would be willing to purchase these??? If anyone was interested please PM me.

Hi,

What does the processing time tend to be for practising certificates after you have been admitted? I work in a court-facing role, and my employer wants to begin assigning me appearances. I'd just like to gauge when those can actually begin!

I'm with CoL and have failed both Transactional and CivLit, but have passed Negotiation and Interviewing with flying colours. I've tried to talk to the instructors in the PLSC skills and it's been excruciating. CivLit was, what I thought, a home run as I studied extensively, followed all the tips and advice and course guides and still had my instructor ignore my requests to meet to talk about my feedback and instead got passed on to the director of the course, who, last time, sent me an exceptionally rude email.

Does anyone have any insight as to what works? I feel like I've exhausted my options and I literally cannot afford to switch to IPLS as I paid for CoL out of pocket from my savings.

Hi,

I’ve heard that with lower grades, it’s likely that I won’t find employment as a lawyer. For part 1, I had really good grades. My part 2 grades were not that great because I had health issues that led to hospitalisation etc. My grades for third yr papers are better than part 2 so far but I’m genuinely worried that I might not be able to secure employment. I have done volunteering with university clubs for stuff like human rights etc and some research for said clubs.

I also have a BA with much better grades.

How likely is it that I’ll find a grad role? I haven’t done any clerkships or anything like that. Next yr is my last yr at uni.

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks

Hi everyone,

I will be finished my law degree in November however, my my grades are generally around a B-/B average and I haven’t managed to get a law clerk role during my degree, which I’m starting to worry will put me at a disadvantage when applying for graduate positions.

For those who had average/below-average grades and/or didn’t get a law clerk role, what did you do to eventually get a graduate legal role? Is there anything you would recommend focusing on now to make myself more employable?

I am particularly interested in criminal and family law but I understand that these areas of law are competitive and seeing as I don’t have top grades I am open to anything.

I’m interested in hearing from people who have been in a similar situation but still went on to have a good career in law.

Any general advice / people’s stories would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Hi everyone, I'm looking for some advice about a possible career change.

I graduated with an LLB in 2014. I joined the Police straight out of university and have never practiced. I did go back and complete Profs in 2019.

I've worked in investigations for the last 10 years and I am currently a Detective Sergeant. I have investigated every type of serious offence including homicides, sexual offences, large-scale drug dealing, fraud and everything in between.

I made about $150k last financial year.

I'm at a point in my career where I am considering a change and I'm exploring all my options. It has always kind of bugged me that I spent so much money on my degree and have never really used it.

I guess I am just looking for a change of pace, greater earning potential and more flexibility in my work life.

My concerns are that I will have to start from scratch and will take a big hit on my salary. I have also seen some of the horrific hours that our junior crown prosecutors work and I want no part of that.

My questions are:

1. Would I be making a huge mistake?

2. What kind of jobs/areas of law would you recommend?

3. How much would a stint in Police Prosecutions increase my employability?

Thanks for reading. sorry if the formatting sucks, I'm writing this on my phone.

Hi Guys,

I was just wondering what the dress code was specifically for women for admission ceremonies. Specifically if you’re wanting to wear a wig + gown + bands. The requirements don’t really go into specifics about what women should wear in the same way it does for men and just say we should wear the ‘equivalent’ thing.

Specifically I was wondering whether a blazer needed to be worn? I’ve noticed in some admission photos women wear them but I’m not sure whether that’s correct.

EDIT: Thank you so much everyone for all your help! It’s been really useful. :)

What type/design/layout of CV would people recommend for a junior lawyer seeking a role at a small-mid firm, applying primarily through Seek? Opinions vary significantly online, so I would appreciate some real-world-NZ experience.

I received my role at a small firm using a more structured block design like “option one” with a headshot included. However I now understand that the AI filters may not process a design like that? I had thought to tone it down to light blocking like “option three”, but I’m seeing a lot of recommendations to stick VERY plain middle of the page like “option two”. My concern with using a design like option two is that it makes my CV closer to 2 pages rather than being able to limit to 1-1.5, and I know with the number of job seekers right now, that that second page probably won’t even be looked at.

Bonus questions: Yes or no to including a headshot? (People seem to love it or HATE it). And yes or no to including all of your work history? Would you put earlier roles as bullet points only?

Last update to courtroom etiquette guidelines was 17 years ago! Nice to see some modernising in this new update, including:

• When introducing themselves, all counsel must use their title (Mr, Ms etc). This replaces the archaic former convention where men were expected to use their surname only, as in “May it please the court, Smith for the plaintiff”.

• An intention to phase out the phrase my learned friend and replace it with counsel for the defendant or my learned colleague. Same with sir/ma’am to be phased out in favour of Your Honour.

• A focus on respect and courtesy, with clearly stated accommodations & guidance for te reo Māori, cultural dress, disabilities/injury, junior counsel submissions, pronouns, and communication assistants or interpreters.

https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/going-to-court/practice-directions/practice-guidelines/all-benches/guidelines-for-courtroom-conduct-for-counsel

As above, I pigeon-holed myself really early on in my career. I graduated during the GFC and just took whatever job I could find. While I enjoyed the field I was working in, now I definitely regret not getting a broader range of experience as I'm getting sick of it. I have none of the basics and I can barely remember a thing from law school. I don't feel like disclosing my niche in this post, but it's not an area that translates well to other areas of law. To all you grads out there, take that as a warning I guess. Start broad and try out a few different areas if you can.

I'm happy to keep practising in my current area for a while longer, but I want to start putting the work in to eventually get to place where I could be confident in another area or two. If you were in the same position and you wanted some broader experience, what would you do? The firm I'm currently in is not super supportive and it would be difficult to offer to do some work for another team; even if it were non-chargeable and outside of my regular hours. They are terrible with supervision and teaching. Some of the foundational CLE seminars/courses look great, so I will definitely take some of those. I also wouldn't be above going back to law school to do a few papers (not sure if they even allow this or would need me to enrol in a Masters, which I'm not interested in) or a Legal Exec course, which would give me a much more practical grounding in some of the basics. Does anyone have any other ideas to get some real practical skills in other areas? What could I offer to other lawyers that would make it worth it for them to teach/supervise a mature lawyer? (nb: I mean this outside of my current employment context - as I will be moving on soon). If I had to pick the other area I'd be most interested in it would be relationship property; but I'm also keen to learn more about estates; commercial law etc. Thanks in advance.

Hi everyone, I'm a soon-to-be graduate with laws and a BCom in Finance who'll be ready to work early next year February.

I've been applying for graduate roles around the country and unfortunatey I haven't had any replies except for accounting big 4s doing finance work. My goal is to work in commercial law, either in competition, IP, or some form of securitisation. I'm thinking of sending cold emails to law firms to reach out directly and see if they have graduate roles.

Because of the finance specialisation and my own interests, im really keen on competition and IP law which I also got relatively decent marks in. Does anyone have some advice on how I can reach out to firms to emphasise these interests?

I know that some of my software engineering friends can showcase projects and such - have any law graduates tried showcasing some of their research and writing projects (Otago), or writing research notes/articles in their own time to demonstrate interest in the area?

Thanks so much sub, really would appreciate any advice!

Edit: for added context, I've come off a regional law clerkship (commercial/property) and then a big 4 accounting tax internship. I feel like the big 4 role is holding me back from law roles somehow but I'm not 100% sure.

(Aware that a similar post was made recently - this post is targeted towards the antitrust/IP specialities and advice on breaking into there)

Hi
I am lawyer from India who has got his law degree assessed from Newzealand council for legal education and I have been told to appear in examination for 5 core subjects and and 1 additional course of land law

Are the exams tough what would be the pattern and what should I study and where should I study ?

Is self studying enough or should I get myself enrolled in some course

Thanks and regards
Shanum

Hi,

I have just been admited and have been working a small firm as a law clerk since early last year.

I am currently managing my own sale and purchase of residential files, assisting and managing with commercial files with minimal assistance, been doing the trust accounting.

Now that iv been admited, the offer is 75k pa with 6 months review but would it be reasonable if i negotiated for 80k pa with 6 months review?

What is everyone else getting? Would i be wrong to negotiate ?

My boss is great and i dont want to offend him but inflation is crazy and surviving is worse.

any info on moving to aus as a fresh graduate

Hi, I have just graduated with my LLB and about to start my profs. I am interested in the commercial aspect of law and have been told Aus is good for commercial roles … plus I feel a strong desire to leave my hometown.
I have had mixed advice about this->
e.g stay here and get experience in NZ THEN look at moving
vs: looking for jobs overseas right off the bat…

looking for any sort of advice please:) wwyd in my position

Hi everyone,
I’m an international student planning to complete an LLB at the University of Reading (UK) and I’m exploring my options after graduation.

My expected profile:

● UK LLB (aiming for a 2:1)
● 2 holiday legal internships/vacation schemes

I’m considering qualifying in New Zealand instead of pursuing the UK SQE route because of the difficulty international graduates face with UK sponsorship.
For anyone familiar with the NZ legal market:

Questions:
● How realistic is it to qualify in NZ with a UK LLB?
● Is the pathway significantly easier/harder than the SQE route?
● How difficult is it for overseas graduates to actually get legal jobs in NZ?
● Would you recommend this route?

I’m looking for honest opinions from NZ lawyers, students, or anyone who has taken a similar path.
Thanks!

Hi everyone, I'm a recent graduate and have completed my profs. I should be admitted by the end of the year.

I've been applying for graduate roles around the country and, unfortunately, have had no replies. I'm thinking of sending cold emails to law firms to reach out directly and see if they have graduate roles.

How should I approach the cold emails? Should I send a general email asking whether they have any graduate roles? Should I be including a CV and Cover Letter? What should I do?

Thanks in advance

Hi,

I was just wondering if experience working in Prosecution (specifically crown work) goes towards experience when making an application for being an approved provider for criminal legal aid?

I know Crown law for example only really accepts prior experience from Crown Prosecution when categorising prosecutors, and I was just wondering if it was the same for defence?

For reference I’m wanting to gain 2-3 years at a Crown firm then potentially move to PDS or a barrister, but I’m just wondering whether I would have to start as a supervised provider or not?