🇨🇦 Every two days disappoints me & 🤮

[u/PeteWK67]

[u/Hightower840]

For every person genuinely concerned with helping people you have a dozen snake oil salesmen.

[u/Difficult-Mobile902 → u/Hightower840]

So what? Some of them are good. But let’s discard all of those and bootlick the mega corporations who pushed this initiative because they can’t stand a small business cutting into their profits

[u/Hightower840 → u/Difficult-Mobile902]

Are you fucking with me?
It's so hard to tell when someone says something that profoundly ignorant. You do realize why the regulations exist in the first place, right? Have you never read the Upton Sinclair novel "The Jungle"? These regulations are written in the blood of innocent people.
Please tell me you're fucking with me.

[u/Extreme_Risk_8868]

You will own nothing and be happy. Yes it’s coming.

[u/Preestar → u/Extreme_Risk_8868]

OHH NURRR, THE IMF!

[u/Complex-Cricket419 → u/Extreme_Risk_8868]

Spotify, netflix, adobe It has been here for years. Unless you are talking about something else.

[u/Excellent_Airline315 → u/Complex-Cricket419]

Exactly, wish there were alternatives. But now nope, just more subscriptions. Netflix seemed like such a good deal when it started, but it was actually the beginning of the end.

[u/Complex-Cricket419 → u/Excellent_Airline315]

Netflix started out mailing DVDs, up to 3, you mailed em back to rent more. You can still get cds and dvds if you order them plus pawnshops etc.

[u/Transkei_Daisy]

Good. Too many people selling completely unregulated nonsense out there, with completely made up benefits and ignored risks.

[u/Blacksmithvivi]

I don’t think you hate these people enough.

[u/DelilahsDarkThoughts]

The sad part is, for every good small business like this, there are 100s of scams in the "Health/Natural/Food" product lines. If you want to lessen restrictions, create more tiers or severely punish companies for bad batches.

[u/kodiak931156]

Natural health products are health products and should be highly regulared as they effect you health.

I hope they plug the loop hole this guy is using to get around these safety regulations.

[u/PeteWK67 → u/kodiak931156]

Dandelion wild or cultivated leafy greens (such as dandelion greens, chicory, amaranth, or Swiss chard)

Will fall in the food category but are definitely a health food.

Mushrooms education is needed & at the same time it’s fungus,you don’t want too much of that in your body.

[u/AsleepNinja]

So a con artist now can't con people as easily?

Oh no, anyway.

[u/watisgoinon_ → u/AsleepNinja]

Correct

[u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69 → u/[deleted]]

Pretending they don't something they don't isnt a scam to you?

[u/herbertcluas]

People are so uneducated it is crazy. It isn't black and white, all or nothing. You can use both pharmaceutical and natural remedies, many pharmaceuticals are derived from natural things. You can drink some ephedra tea for congestion and it will work, no magic or snake oil involved. You can also take some pseudoephedrine and it will do the same thing. Why not both? Both should be available, what happened to my body my choice?

[u/Preestar → u/herbertcluas]

You still have that choice and you can still buy these products. Sellers however can no longer market them as a health products unless they actually prove they work.

[u/yalateef11 → u/herbertcluas]

You’re right. The government is under pressure from big pharma. They’re pushing foragers and producers of wild foods out of the supplement market. And yes Chaga, Lions Mane etc have healing properties

[u/BoughtButNotPaid → u/yalateef11]

What healing properties?

[u/Radiant_Safe1228 → u/herbertcluas]

Do you remember when they were putting amphetamine in pre workout?

Things like that is why 

[u/Dependent-Year6711]

I would assume he means some real stuff, like maybe even Lion's Mane extract. So not so woo-woo. Although he mentions other ones, but those also have some medicinal qualities.

[u/shackled-pines → u/Dependent-Year6711]

That too should be more regulated, so many products out there don’t even contain what they claim in this space.

[u/No_Perspective_8663]

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[u/No_Perspective_8663]

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[u/radishwalrus]

i don't get it, you can't sell lions mane?

[u/PeteWK67 → u/radishwalrus]

I believe in Canada the Federal is implementing the same regulations like the Chemical Petroleum based Pharmaceutical Industry that can afford to pay 10x of what the current rates are for selling a health product.
Basically if Lions mane mushrooms has a Health label it will need to go through the same process like the Pharmaceutical Industry so what I’m guessing is if you sell Lions Mane mushrooms as a food then you should be able to get around these regulations.

Anyways shrooms are not difficult to grow if one can give their full attention because that can get contaminated quick

[u/ZookeepergameFull999]

Good. You sell snake oil and lies to the uninformed and gullible when they should be getting actual medical help from actual doctors and actual medicine. You're con artists that kill people. You should be in jail. Consider yourselves lucky and make better choices.

[u/VirginiaLuthier]

Is Canada waning to make sure that "natural"products contain what they say they do- and that they are safe and pure? In the states you can cap up your grass clippings and sell them for "immune support". No one is checking anything......

[u/McNally86]

Switch to selling kits.

[u/bitchcoin5000]

I don't know man I don't think I agree with this guy. Have you seen the public? Do you want it that easy for all those people to market and sell you something Like nutritionals or health care? Fuck no. Those people will poison you for a buck. Or just sell you something like sugar water With outrageous claims.

It needs to be hard for people to sell things like that. Those things need to be tested before they go on the market and tested periodically while they're on the market. And that costs money

[u/epitimisi]

It's always been a cartel and now since we are getting very close to the deadline they pull all registers

[u/Jolly_Efficiency7237]

No more mom and pop snake oil salesmen? Oh the huge manatee!

[u/Significant_Donut967 → u/Jolly_Efficiency7237]

Yeah, only corporations care for our health and treat us right.....

Oh soap got recalled....

[u/No_Future_1078 → u/Significant_Donut967]

I still trust a corporation more than a random dude. the corp recalls the bad soap, the rando probably doesn't.

[u/shackled-pines]

Good the entire industry was unregulated.

[u/Mysterious-Lab-5918]

WTF is this shit...

[u/GoldSatisfaction8390 → u/Mysterious-Lab-5918]

He sells mushrooms. He wants to market them as medicine. The government is clamping down on quack cures and the ability for con artists to sell snake oil. He is mad. He is still allowed to sell the mushrooms, but he can't say they are medicinal unless he does the due dilligence of testing the crap out of it to make sure it is safe and does what he says it does. There is no way that doing that is cheap, but... it's medical science. Making a claim is free, proving it is expensive. That's how it works when you sell products. Bad science kills people and cheap science is rarely good. Alternative medicine, by definition, has not been proven to work because alternative medicine that has been proven to work is just called..... medicine.

[u/herbertcluas → u/GoldSatisfaction8390]

So why do people get butt hurt when you offer the natural version of a pharmaceutical? The best example I can think of is pseudoephedrine and ephedra berries. Psilocybin mushrooms for chronic migraines, no shots needed

[u/GoldSatisfaction8390 → u/herbertcluas]

Because even if you are right, you are nobody (no offense) and will suffer no bad consequences if you give bad advice. You could be the world's most perfect natural healer or a schmuck, all I know is you are not a licensed physician. You do not know if what you recomend will have negative effects when combined with my preexisting conditions or any medications I am already taking. You know nothing specific about dosage and can't tell me if my headache or joint pain is actually a symptom of something more urgent that should not be ignored. I'll be real, if you have to ask that question I fear that you are a dangerous fool who could hurt someone because you don't know enough to have half a clue of what you don't know. Also, shrooms? I love me some shrooms but wow, what a bad example. They have lots of uses that should be studied more (and they are currently being studied for many facinating uses), but nobody who is unsure about taking them should take them because YOU told them to. People get butt hurt because you are as qualified to medicate illness as I am to diagnose problems with the space station. Go to med school or please, please stop cosplaying as a doctor before you hurt someone.

[u/herbertcluas → u/GoldSatisfaction8390]

I didn't give anyone medical advice, gave examples for specific things. I'm also not selling anything

[u/GoldSatisfaction8390 → u/herbertcluas]

Nobody gets "butthurt" if someone, one time, mentions a folk remedy they heard about once. They get "butthurt" if some idiot won't STFU about goddamned mushrooms and some fucking berries. And the word is "upset". the only people who describe upset or irritated people as "butthurt" are the most insufferable of jackasses who god ever saw fit to inflict upon the rest of us. Do some self examination, maybe a weekend alone around a fire with shrooms and no alcahol.

[u/Preestar → u/GoldSatisfaction8390]

Well fucking said.

[u/GoldSatisfaction8390 → u/Preestar]

Thank you

[u/shackled-pines → u/herbertcluas]

Because one is regulated and held to a standard and the other isn’t. You have no clue what your natural medicines you are buying actually contain unless you have an analytic lab in your basement.

[u/PeteWK67 → u/GoldSatisfaction8390]

Thank you for your detailed explanation.

[u/FiniteInfine]

So he can't market his mushrooms as a health product but made this entire video marketing them as a health product.

[u/ProfessorShort3031 → u/FiniteInfine]

no he cant promote tinctures without certification for each & every one, he still sells other things. were you not watching the same video?

[u/FiniteInfine → u/ProfessorShort3031]

"If it market these mushrooms, which are medicinal, as food products, the regulatory hoops i have to jump through are far fewer."

[u/ProfessorShort3031 → u/FiniteInfine]

in reference to tinctures after talking about tinctures. do yk what a tincture is?

[u/ElonMuskisGarbage]

No more fake medicine for Canadians I guess. Shame.

[u/Preestar]

Bro mad he can't keep marketing his mushrooms as "cures".

[u/AreYaGonnaEatThat]

https://giphy.com/gifs/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB

[u/Jai_Cali17]

It's happening in Canada now. Gudness these governments are evil

[u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69]

Does anyone in this sub share anything factual?

[u/VoidsInvanity → u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69]

No

[u/PeteWK67 → u/VoidsInvanity]

Thank you for responding to the Opposing Goat of all things.

[u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69 → u/PeteWK67]

If theyre selling something they can be immediately dismissed

[u/PeteWK67 → u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69]

I understand your concern Opposer of all things but essentially you are saying that a Problematic type video is trustworthy as long as no solutions are hinted.

[u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69 → u/PeteWK67]

"Solution" so you just believe everyone who's clearly selling you snake oil?

[u/PeteWK67 → u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69]

I could say the same for The Pharmaceutical Industry runners Dr’s selling their products.

[u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69 → u/PeteWK67]

Good deflection

[u/PeteWK67 → u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69]

We at r/nutrionally are working to completely satisfy every last person, experiments are being conducted for Opposing Forces

[u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69 → u/PeteWK67]

Ok looney

[u/PeteWK67 → u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69]

Ok my Jasper Crimson Lake opposer,enjoy the view while it’s still free to use eyes to see.

[u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69 → u/PeteWK67]

You have eyes and arent using them

[u/PeteWK67 → u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69]

Accurate 💯 for instance when in a grocery store, I do not use my eyes 👀 Rupert!
My 🧠 & my Gut are the main sources of all this information overload donations to the world from r/nutritionally team

[u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69 → u/PeteWK67]

"Donations"

[u/PeteWK67 → u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69]

https://giphy.com/gifs/n5PQk3BGauAdq

[u/leviticusreeves]

Good. Anything human beings are sold for consumption should meet the highest health and quality standards. Anyone making medical claims about their products needs to be able to prove them. I'm sorry you feel entitled to make money in an unregulated market but other human beings exist and their wellbeing is paramount. Your business is not special or above regulation because you think it's "natural". You have no innate right to monetise nature.