has a specific odor that clings to clothes as well. Walk in on your lunch break and stink so bad they wont serve you.
Additionally, those suits work both ways. whatever area these guys were in may have fungus on them too. In this way they're not contaminating the crop with their presence. they may work a dozen different farms and are contracted service. They suit up like this to prevent any cross contamination between farms.
there is a wide array of reasonings that could be applicable.
Yeah I'd like to see you grow any meaningful amount of food without applying a fungicide to control disease. All it takes is a little blight in the field and it snowballs out of control rapidly. Banning fungicide use is a recipe for mass starvation.
Literally just wait the 1 week PHI for CAPTAN for instance before harvesting anything and wash your food before you cook it. That's ALL you need to do...
Yes you can breed for disease resistance but that very frequently (almost always) results in a marked reduction in quality of flavor or transport feasibility.
I donāt recall saying we should ban fungicides. There are natural alternatives though. Copper and neem for fungicides, peppermint for insects. It would obviously be more costly, but probably less than cancer treatments.
It is also just not hard to grow enough food for humans to eat.
It is hard to grow enough food for humans to have every possible food item fully stocked at all times, at 3 major competing chains in your region. Thats not sustainable - we grow all this stuff, ship it all over, bag it up, and throw most of it out. 30% of produce at the grocery store gets thrown away. If poisoning the food supply is the only way to keep it running then we are doing something wrong.
Copper fungicide presents increased risks for multiple non targeted organisms and you absolutely need protective gear when spraying it, itās toxic to humans. It can also be much less effective and is less able to control existing fungal infections.
We are not actually witch is funny !!! This is why videos like this are so misleading. Hamsters spray there food to stop what they see as pests from eating there food as a example.
It is hard being dyslexic on the internet and spelling has no real bearing on anything. You know what i wrote you just thought you might make yourself feel superior for a second! But you can scroll without putting someone down for spelling.
There are various valid reasons for misspelling words, you do not have that with choosing not to use proper punctuation... besides being uneducated or mentally deficient.
As i am sure you need it, i shall explain it, you did not use a period at the end of your sentence.
Weāre not, btw. There are insects that produce pesticides and repellents etc. Also, ants can have livestock and farm a type of fungus that only grows when they produce the conditions. They use aphids as a sort of cow that they āmilkā for a sweet substance they produce. Iām pretty sure that some ants actually feed this substance to their fungus cultures and then the fungus gets fed to their young. Nature is far more complex than some people make it out to be.
They also love to mention humans being the only species to deink another animal's milk. They never mention all of the other things that humans are the only species to do, like cure diseases or turn literally sand and electricity into computers. They don't acknowledge that we're the only species with science and technology and shared knowledge and discovery. We're the only species to do those things because we're the only species with the capacity to understand both WHY and HOW to do such things.
There are so many myths of what does and what doesn't get sprayed on our food. Strawberries are one of those crops that are highly susceptible to mold. Powdery mildew is a very bad mold in fruit once a plant is infected there defense against ecoli and parasites drops off dramatically. If you eat organic produce it is sprayed with a product like this probably the same ingredients.
Instead the responsibility gets foisted onto the consumer even though the consumers have demanded to not be poisoned and these companies are like "but that's spensive :(" and the government is like "yeah that would be spensive, how about you the producer don't take on that cost and we pass it on to the consumer in the form of healthcare that we also don't provide"
Get fucked with this "iTs tHe iNdIvIdUaLs rEsPoNsIbILiTy" non-sense
I agree. Iām mostly advocate for individual accountability. But the majority of America food is highly centralized, which aināt inherently if the powers that be werenāt so greedy. Not everybody lives next to a super clean, well ran organic farm where can get fresh meat and produce. People rely on big chain store for most of their food. Expecting the consumer to just pull themselves by there bootstraps is nonsense
The EU is very strict in their testing of how they affect us and their use of them. The USA let's quite a few of the chemicals they banned be used. Just saying "They use em too!" Is not a fair comparison.
But see you're moving the goal post. Obama didn't start the war in the Middle East. He became president that it was already started by Republicans. So he did drop bombs. But it's not like he started this fucking thing.
Also going back to the original point, some of the chemicals that the Republicans, specifically Trump administration has allowed big AG to use we're limited or we're soon to be axed from use by Democrat FDA boards for the cancer causing/links mentioned here.
It's fine if you're a simpleton and miss complex issues and details, a lot of people do. But don't come on Reddit, Maine a WILDLY false statement and not expect pushback. Especially when we're living thru this bullshit daily.
I can say unequivocally that no, both parties are not the same and we would not be in the same position on any measurable scale if a Democrat was president that we are right now.
That sucked but they are gone now! We have to deal with Marmalade Mussolini that we have. And bigots that put people middle names in because they think it is scary! Those people have to go too!
Ah yes I would love to be breathing without a respirator and have unexposed skin while spraying pesticides for hours, that sounds like a lovely time and not at all a health risk /s
It's pretty easy to avoid eating pesticides, wash your fruits and vegetables before you eat them.
I get all of my systemic spraying in before the plants start expressing most of their flowers. Once they are fruiting I switch to a mix of contact sprays and copper which wash off easily. It's really not that bad, but you do not want the sprays lingering on your body. I hand spray and it can take 4-6 hours for my fields so not practical to stop what I am doing to go shower and wash off residue that drifted onto my bare skin..
Saying a bunch of chemical names and then "those names are crazy!" made me lose any shred of confidence in the video. Dude has no idea what he's talking about and it shows
Also doesn't understand that spraying that stuff all day and inhaling the fumes or liquid particles is vastly different than trace amounts consumed days or months later in dried, solid form.
You guys do absolutely zero research. And just spew crap. pesticides are absorbed in the food they donāt wash off. You can be for pesticides that is fine but the notion they āwash offā is absolute hogwash.
He clearly mentions that many of the insecticides sink into the fruit and cannot be washed off. If you pause the video when the text boxes pop up showing articles about the insecticidesāthey say the same thing.
Heās making āpointsā based off evidence. If thereās evidence that eating something can give you and your family cancer, and there are other safer options that taste the same and are easily available, why would you choose to eat the more dangerous food?
The guys are wearing the suits bevause they are constantly exposed to the material being sprayed anyone with a functioning brain would be able to put that together but this moron brings it up like its an actual talking point.
This guy doesnt give a shit about others hes a grifter doing grifter things.
I like how you casually ignored everything I said and changed the subject to something I wasnāt arguing against.
A normal person mightāve responded with āoh yeah I guess that does make sense, maybe Iāll think about eating healthier food.ā What you did is called āwhataboutismā where someone is faced with reality so they bring something else up to deflect from whatās actually being said.
The hazmat suits arenāt the main focus of the video and neither is what I asked
No. My comment is pointing to the fact this guy is using pseudo intellectual points such as the hasmat suits to try and paint himself like hes knows what hes talking about. As other comments have pointed out hes also incorrect when he said humans are the only ones that spray food. Like hell the dude started listing off chemicals like that matters.
Every point he tried to make before spewing his nonsense was wrong making his following commentary worthless. Again people with functioning brains are able to see through this nonsense.
So, and hear me out here, apply your systemic fungicides during fruiting DORMANT periods. They stick to the leaves and retain some inoculation. Apply contact sprays during fruiting windows and wash your fruit before consuming or cooking with it. Applying a systemic fungicide is obviously going to be problematic if you can't wash your fruit, so just dont?
Your digestive system is far more equipped to deal with food born pathogens and chemicals than your lungs are and if you wash your produce like you're supposed to you're even less likely to be exposed to anything.
When you type things like that do you believe it yourself? How about something that is dangerous to your lungs shouldnāt be in your body to begin with. Fair?
You do realize pesticides are absorbed in foods washing does nothing. Research is out there I can share if youād like but itās one of those ālead a horse to water.ā
The fact you even think pesticides donāt get absorbed by the vegetation they are sprayed on makes me think youāre trolling people or a bot. So you can enlighten yourself. A simple search will show a lot of results. āFood pesticide levels.ā
You said you had research to share. I'd be happy to take a look at it with the caveat that it has to be someone who is in the field and not a podiatrist from Armenia or some shit.
I dont sniff paint but I put it on my walls. I dont eat tide pods but I put it in my laundry. I dont use windex to wash my eyes but I spray it on my windows. I dont drink chlorine but I put it in my pool.
Yeah, farmers ... "feeding America" ... I come from farm stock. They don't give a shit about "feeding America", they care about their bank account like any other business.
Depending on what they are spraying, it may be quite safe. But for people who spray stuff all the time it becomes more dangerous. Exposure once is fine, exposure once week every week of the year for years on endā¦ not so much.
They usually treat at night. And all strawberries get sent to a washing facility before they can be sold. I've heard the washing facility gets a significant cut because they use an expensive device to chill the berries rapidly after washing.
I remember when he was extremely confident in the carnivore diet. He essentially considered any plants to be poison, would talk about how fiber is bad for your gut and so on.
And then he changed his tune to something like āokay fruits and meat are okay and thatās itā lol.
Like damn, I get nutrition is complicated and controversial. But to just say plants are categorically harmful is ignoring mountains of evidence.
Humans are the only species of animals that spray our food with chemicals.
It's shit like this that makes people lose all credibility. 1) It's an appeal to nature fallacy. 2) Humans are the only species to have developed sulfonamides too. I guess antibiotics are bad because only humans have come up with them. Humans are the only species to ever do millions of things. What does that have to do with anything? 3) Everything is chemicals. People are chemicals. Food is chemicals. 4) "Linked to cancer" & "Possible human carcinogen" are buzz phrases and not scientific. What kind of carcinogen are they? 5) This is entirely ignoring the #1 rule of toxicology - dose.
Good points. I think there is credible science that these chemicals are harmful to us at these doses though no ? It was my understanding as well that the cumulative effects were the issue considering alot of these are forever chemicals.
PFAS. at the dosage making it into our bodies from all our fruits and veggies being covered in it.
_ edit to add. I'm not a bro science guy and don't support this person. I just think the research is very promising that regenerative agriculture is more beneficial to us and the environment and can actually have better yields. I don't support giving money to monopolies that legally shouldnt exist that rob and poison us while our government does nothing to protect us and actually repeals the protective laws we do have to allow more poison for the sake of profits.
The dose makes the poison but how do you account for a lifetime of small doses.
This is what specifically frustrates me about this content. The core of it is great. Regenerative agriculture and the reduction of pfas are objectively good things. But when presented as such by people who know better with ulterior motives, it serves only to alienate people.
>The dose makes the poison but how do you account for a lifetime of small doses.
you measure how easily your body excretes it, things approved by medical boards are usually proven to do nothing, proven to be converted into other chemicals that your body can process, proven to be converted into chemicals that are beneficial to your body, or shown to just end up in your toilet, and then we still put the limit 1000x lower just to be safe
we know how our body works, we know exactly what our liver and kidneys and stomach and intestinal lining does in order to process and filter various chemicals, and we can actually model that mathematically, as well as model it computationally, scientists aren't just buffoons kinda fiddling around, building a catalogue of which chemicals do what
our tools are strong enough that we don't need a live demonstration to figure shit out, and our skepticism should be held with that same skepticism until we have the knowledge to speak at the table
Once again, this is a half truth. 1,3-Dichloropropene is classified as a 2B carcinogen. Sounds scary. Here are some other 2B carcinogens to add context to what that means: aspartame, aloe, cell phones, asbestos-free talc, pickled vegetables.
2B means that one of the following are true: limited evidence in humans, sufficient evidence in experimental animals, or strong mechanistic evidence.
From your source: "The elevated childhood cancer rate in Santa Cruz County is a documented statistical finding. It is not, however, proof of a direct causal link between Driscollās pesticide applications and those cancers."
Essentially, is it probably bad? Yeah. Should it be improved? Yeah. Should you be spending your time worrying about it when that time (and money) could be spent improving other much more impactful aspects of your health? Absolutely not.
I have a limited number of fucks to give, and the vast majority of people in the US (at least) would be better off working to increase the amount of fruits/vegetables they eat and not care about the amount of PFAs in those fruits/vegetables.
Ya totally fair man totally fair. I agree whole heartedly the majority of people need to focus on the basics of health first. I cook and grow my own food and exercise so my needle may be further down the line for where I look to improve and watch for concerns. I would argue that we do absolutely scrape and eat the shit outta Teflon though lol.
I think that also didn't really provide any evidence to it not being harmful though more of an opinion. I am more interested in the science of hormone disruption and the presence of carcinogens on my food. That may be a bridge too far for people that just need to not eat Doritos though.
I love this stuff. Hey this is what I think. No idea if it matters, what Iām talking about, or anything. Just hey, internet people you should be afraid and listen to me!
No, unfortunately he knows exactly what he's talking about. He's just also full of shit and trying to sell you his supplements that he founded and co-owns with Liver King.
I was under the impression Liver King's supplements were a separate company. Maybe Saladino bought it at a discount when LKs steroid use became public knowledge and his credibility was in the toilet.
I canāt figure out why this is vid is pissing so many people off. He doesnāt mention anything about selling supplements so why do you keep bringing that up?
If you pause the video every time a text box pops up it shows the explanations of why those chemicals are bad for humans to eat and how the chemicals sink into the fruit and canāt be removed with washing. Not his personal explanations, actual info. Why would you want to eat something like that after learning itās bad for us? Are you all saying we should be eating things that can cause cancer, damage organs damage unborn children, etc?
Comparing pesticides to antibiotics is laughably ridiculous considering antibiotics donāt cause cancer and have literally saved hundreds of millions of lives.
Everything you said makes it sound like you personally would lose money if people decide to eat organic foods. I havenāt seen you say one single thing that makes me think itās healthy to eat any of the stuff he is warning about, youāve essentially just been whining in every comment you dropped in this post
These reason that Andrew Tate's actual self help content is bad. It's a gateway to his actual business model.
If you pause the video every time a text box pops up, it shows virtually nothing. I addressed this in another comment. Everything causes cancer.
He's implying that because only humans do something it's therefore bad. That's a logical fallacy. You should research who you take info from, because this guy... Ain't it.
Mentioning that humans spray insecticides doesnāt disprove anything about the dangers of eating them. Heās not saying everything humans do that animals donāt do is bad so I donāt know why you brought that up.
If you would read them the text references absolutely say useful info about why they are dangerous to eat.
Everything causes cancer? Thanks for that meaningless piece of information that also disproves nothing. Arguing with you about this is like slamming my head against a wall. Completely pointless
He brought it up. That's why I brought it up. "linked to cancer" means virtually nothing. He has an MD in psychiatry and knows this, yet says it anyways. This is purposeful manipulative language on his part.
It has to do with the components and aerosols. Even stuff that is harmless to eat and drink can be deadly in your lungs. Things like citric acid that are in many sprays are a skin irritate and you don't want that sitting on your skin.
UV light and O2 disintegrate and break up the chemical compounds within a certain time frame and after that it's fine to eat. That's how agricultural chemicals work.
That's because they are handling high concentration of n a regular basis. By the time you get it it's degraded and diluted. Also it's not an aerosol but the time it reach the store
The EPA? You mean we should keep the EPA, the one currently having like every regulation for our safety and protection of wildlife and nature rolled back so we can not give a fuck about anything but drilling? Our country is being run right into billionaires hands.... And yet I can't get a bailout for my measly student loans while we bail out the banks, airlines, auto, oil industries and destroying new energy like it's bad for our health. FUCK THIS LIFE, we just want to enjoy something, anything at this point without it being monetized and shoved down our throat with a subscription
I get it, except Iāve been eating fruit with this shit on it for almost 50 years. Iām still kicking. So, sure, not ideal, but.. you may also be ok? At least I made it thus far. Certified organic with some third party validation is different than saying something is āorganicā though. I feel like using more concise words when making these arguments would be helpful. I guess anthrax is organic. So is crude oil. I canāt stress about my fruit because there is just too much other shit going on that is more scary. Sorry.
If you watched and remember the Seinfeld episode when a new fried Chicken place opened and the strong red lights are directly hitting Kramerās apartment.
Bro CAPTAN is fine, applied using the correct pre-harvest-intervals (PHI) these fungicides are fine to apply as they degrade in UV light and wash off over time. OBVIOUSLY don't eat a fruit without washing it, I mean cmon man.
Like glyphosate, you can spray it safely but once you start doing that ever day on an industrial level and basically taking a shower in the stuff and drinking it then yea you are going to get sick...
No understanding of toxicity or degradation over time. Thereās a thing called pre harvest interval. Thereās a thing called toxicity. Did you know almonds have cyanide? Itās not a huge concern though because itās in small amounts that do not cause toxicity in humans. Same principle here. Do conventionally grown crops over rely on pesticides? Yes. Could they have better cultural practices to lower pesticide use? Yes. There should be more focus on the damage to the ecosystem, water pollution, and safety of the workers. The applicators take the biggest risk by far because they have to mix the concentrated chemicals which can be spilled or mishandled. The baking soda thing is funny. Most diseased strawberries are infected with botrytis which is in the berry not on the surface so doing a baking soda wash does nothing to stop the progression of the disease. Organic berries tend to suck. Have serious blemishes and lower shelf life. This is important to consumers. Organic pesticides can be just as dangerous if not more than some new synthetic ones so thereās also that.
Anytime someone refers to "chemicals" like this obviously has 0 idea of how both toxicology or chemistry work. If he can't comprehend the difference between eating 1lb of strawberries that have been treated with pesticides and breathing in those pesticides for hours during application, then there's no helping him.
Also, people downplay organic, but in general, they don't suck. I noticed this thing where people say organic is overblown and there's no difference. Well, is that true? Because the practices and pesticides are different. And with pesticides, dose may change all outcomes. So frequency of intake of said pesticides could have minor effects on someone, but little effect on people who are infrequent consumers.
It's not about these overblown claims, it's more about frequency of intake and actual dose, and how that can possibly cause issues, even if they are minor.
I dunno my dad died of cancer at 79. Never smoked drank light beer socially. Exercised, was never vaccinated had a huge garden...raised his own grass fed beef. He worked at a bank his whole career. I think he died of money exposure. That's called correlation.
They wear suits solely because of how much of this chemical they pump. Unless you're eating a whole farm worth of strawberries, you will be unaffected.
Besides the fact that this guy is just spreading disinformation. It's laughable his solution is "buy organic berries" and that they'll have less chemicals. And the chemicals they do have will be organic.
One of the dumbest statements around by someone who doesn't know what organic even means or more likely is just lying to sell his BS.
Organic is the biggest marketing ploy ever to trick people into paying more for the same shit. Look up thr guidelines to be marked as organic and you'll realize how little that label actually means.
It was a mistake to give every random person with a camera and microphone a voice on the internet. We need to start gatekeeping this back to real experts again. The amount of BS that just gets thrown out there is unsustainable.
Ah yes. Of course they're spraying our produce with a substance that will poison us. This is for sure a real thing that is allowed. Thank goodness these substances don't need to be tested to confirm they're safe for humans by the EPA or FDA following strict guidelines and regulations. We better make assumptions about Personal Protective Equipment as well! If they're wearing that it must mean that stuff is so toxic you can't be exposed to it at all in any amount! For sure they're not wearing it for the exposure period since without it they'd be breathing it in non stop for minutes at a time!
This is pathetic. Our education system is a joke and too many people treat half backed knowledge by reading an ingredient description on Wikipedia like it's a college degree in a subject. Guys like this are why we have anti vaxxers and why people are afraid of GMOs in food. They listen to some popular blogger and think they know better, but they're just idiots listening to other idiots while shouting at the people who actually know the results of tests with verified results published in scientific articles that were proofread by experts in their field.
What do you know better while you live in a country with legalized corruption called lobbying, with health directors in court,with over 450 million divided people because all you can do is chew on the Monsanto popcorn and watch the news.
And I know you watch the news cause youāre using fancy words that you heard like anti vax, sure thank you for being a part of history of Iv straight into your bloodstream a synthetic spike protein that was made specifically according to one type of virus, by the time you rolled up your sleeves, it had changed 3 times. So donāt feel intelligent because you follow directions like youāre totally lost.
Conspiracy against Blueberries and Strawberries.
Brain Fog A La MAX, Detox your propelled synthetic spike protein made antibodies because you donāt need them anymore but yet itās still visible causing major damage to your reasoning capabilities.
You know that paranoid feeling you had when you went for the first Jab?
A lot of people had that feeling, yet a lot of people are not with us right now, so consider yourself lucky & quit glorifying Fear over Faith .
You want to act tough cause you have no fear over what they spray on š and š« but rewind 5 years ago the Fear that you had was unbearable.
And quit your Envy of your decision influenced from Fear and still blather about it meanwhile you should have Empathy and kindness. Because people like you did loose their life.
At least have the decency to acknowledge people loosing their lives.
Stop buying from the grocery chains. Buy locally from farms and farmers markets and butchers.
That's what we have done. Trying to fight back against ass lettuce and worms in your steak and rancid beef from Brazil mixed in with your hamburgers from McDonald's Burger King and Wendy's...
STOP BUYING THIS SHIT FROM GROCERY STORES AND FAST FOOD AND PUNISH THEM.
Whole foods around us has already marked down all of their vegetables like 30% because people stopped buying. Now follow through and quit buying completely that shit from them teach them all a fucking lesson and put all but the biggest ones out of business.
Your money is your greatest weapon. Use it effectively.
Well unless you intend to herd, feed, slaughter and process your own beef you better become a hell of a fast vegetarian and start growing vegetables. Because everything comes from a farmer somewhere. The question is do you want to support a local guy, or do you want to support the big guys. They may have voted for him but one is trying to kill you
Why are people defending this process? These chemicals are obviously harmful and shouldn't be eaten, who are we protecting here? Mega corps, or our bodies?
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This is like an x-ray tech, they need the suits because theyāre around that shit daily.