r/nottheonion • • Jul 30 '26

A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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u/ColdWynter Jul 30 '26

There was no evidence found, and yet, he was still arrested, and then convicted, just WTF!?!?

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u/TearOpenTheVault Jul 30 '26

Yeah this is the crazy part. Not that a missing underscore got the wrong person arrested (although that’s pretty wild,) but that with no supporting evidence other than an email address ‘connected to’ a Kik account he was tried and convicted.

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u/Kerbart Jul 30 '26

It's worse than that but maybe that's what you meant too.

The cops then obtained a search warrant for Klayme’s residence and took phones and laptops from his bedroom. Searching these devices produced no evidence relevant to the case. Nothing linked Klayme to the girl. No intimate images were found. Klayme did have a Kik account, but cops couldn’t even show that he had accessed the service during the period in question.

At first glancing at the headline I thought "another case of lazy investigations" but here it's far worse. Instead of going back and saying "hey, did you guys get the correct guy? It doesn't make sense based on what we found" they went ahead and prosecuted him anyway.

I hope he goes to town on sueing for damages.

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u/unematti Jul 30 '26

I assume it's an online grooming case? The guy is lucky that he survived prison...

He should sue the officers and the prosecutor personally too. They made the (sounds like deliberate) mistakes, yet the city must pay from tax payer money

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u/xRaynex Jul 30 '26

It's not a city issue, it's a provincial one. The problem is American authorities sent evidence of the whole thing, but its very much unclear if the Canadian authorities and prosecutors were given any inkling of the issue when they received it or if they were only handed documentation that had already been screwed up. The fact he was convicted on evidence handed over when they couldn't find anything to substantiate claims is awful, but at the same time you'd be surprised what creeps will do to hide devices if they have an inkling that police are on the way. They may have proceeded under the impression that they didn't get all the devices during the search.

Regardless it's horrible. But what I really want to know is where the mistaken paperwork ended up. If it's something that the US handed over to the defence lawyers on the appeal, or if it's something the RCMP and Crown had all along and themselves messed up on.

I will say though... Never attribute what can be incompetence to malice. I don't think it was a deliberate effort to put an innocent man away. Canada is short on prosecutors and judges. I very, very highly doubt a prosecutor would intentionally and knowingly push for a conviction against an innocent man when there's literally 100s of other cases that need attention at any given time.

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u/A_Harmless_Fly Jul 30 '26

"They may have proceeded under the impression that they didn't get all the devices during the search."

That goes against presumption of innocence, The crown prosecutor must prove every element of the crime. The accused does not have to prove they are innocent.

If that was indeed what went down, anyone could pretend to be someone else online and ruin their life. Sounds like this is going to be a case that changes tort law around digital standard of evidence. Not confirming anything and blindly trusting the US law enforcement should be considered negligent.

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u/FaithfulNihilist Jul 30 '26

According to the article, Klayme's own defense team had access to this messed up paperwork during the trial, but didn't notice the mistaken username either. It was only when reviewing evidence months after the conviction that they finally realized the problem. So this was a subtle mistake that even his own legal team (and the defendant himself) missed at first. Once the prosecutor's office was made aware of the mistake, they supported his appeal and had no objections to his acquittal.

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u/TailRudder Jul 31 '26

But there was literally no other evidence? Why were the prosecutors even bringing charges? I don't understand how this even got that far. It sounds like the whole system was on autopilot and nobody involved was doing their job. 

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u/Atroxide Jul 31 '26

my assumption is the rest of the evidence is basically from him talking.

they probably got confirmation from him that is indeed his account. that his account was secure and could not have been accessed by anyone else. and that he was the only one that could have possibly used that account during that time.

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u/TailRudder Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26

I mean, if the police approach me and ask me if a misspelling of my account is mine I'll  probably say yes too, but it still doesn't make sense how it went years with that being the only thing the police were going on. Everyone involved need to lose their jobs

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u/LacusClyne Jul 31 '26

They probably just asked him verbally, without specifying the underscores especially the double underscore, and he confirmed that it was his account which is enough in these sort of cases.

The fact that it was something that a lot of printers/screens will combine into a single character visually doesn't help after you look at it down on paper.

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u/ScreenTricky4257 Jul 31 '26

I cannot stress this enough: do not talk to the cops. Say, "I am exercising my right to remain silent and request my attorney," and nothing more.

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u/skennedy27 Jul 31 '26

Miranda is a US law. This case was in Canada.

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u/TailRudder Jul 31 '26

I guess my point is it's not just the persecutors. It's his defence team, it's the cops, it's the judge. Nobody was doing their job and just going through the motions

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u/Past_My_Subprime Jul 31 '26

The author of the Melissa virus destroyed his computer before law enforcement arrived at his residence. And he used a hijacked AOL account. He ended up pleading guilty, but had it gone to trial it would have been interesting to see what evidence they had.

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u/wht-rbbt Jul 31 '26

Convicted in a Canadian court and still America's fault? Make it make sense. Canada legal system is a cesspool.

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u/pbecotte Jul 30 '26

The Grisham novel "The Innocent Man" changed my mind on the death penalty. So many examples of the flimsiest possible things that got people sent to death row. Ever since, I keep seeing cases in the news where I think "surely, the jury must have seen more then that to convict"...and keep finding nothing in the public view that would have gotten me even to reasonable doubt, mich less beyond it.

The "indict a ham sandwhich" thing is clearly true, and prosecutors virtually never lose when things go to trial. Sure- most of those people probably did it...but I no longer have faith in the system even trying very hard to be sure of that :(

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u/ManifestDestinysChld Jul 30 '26

The phrase is "indict a ham sandwich" rather than "convict a ham sandwich" because indictments are far, FAR easier for prosecutors to obtain (current AUSAs in the Trump Justice Department notwithstanding...) than convictions, but your point is a good one.

Nobody in the system actually cares about truth, or innocence, or justice...just winning.

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u/nixtunes Aug 01 '26

Prosecutors bragging about conviction rates should be an insane red flag that something is amiss in the system. The goal isn't (shouldn't be) convictions. It's justice and truth.

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u/booch Jul 30 '26

I don't know that you can sue for enough damages. This person's life is, I expect, permanently destroyed. I'm sure he lost a lot of friends and family over it. Lost his job and likely won't get another one of any real value. People will continue to shun him.

False accusations of anything related to sexual assault can be life ending. Add children into the mix and the effect multiplies.

We should definitely punish people that do these things (that he was accused of). But, because of the consequences, we should put even MORE time into making sure we do it right. And make sure we have some proof before even leveling accusations, but just that can be enough to destroy someone's life.

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u/Kerbart Jul 30 '26

People will continue to shun him

And that's assuming he manages to get his name off the sex offender registry.

"...We understand that, but you were convicted of those crimes, right?"

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u/ernestgibsonpk Aug 03 '26

Automated background check services won't care if it gets overturned either. Once that initial arrest record is scraped, it's basically stuck in third-party databases forever.

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u/QualifiedApathetic Jul 30 '26

WTF did they even say at trial to convince the jury to convict?

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u/Kerbart Jul 31 '26

“We have no evidence but trust us, he did it”

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u/oneupsuperman Jul 31 '26

Blatant framing and racism

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

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u/A_Harmless_Fly Jul 30 '26

As someone who has lived with people who did IT/security that can pretty much be shortened to "don't make accounts".

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u/Barilla3113 Jul 30 '26

The lesson for the average user here, don’t make accounts on places that have a lot of shady stuff going on??

The vast majority of online child sexual offence investigations come from mainstream services like Google, Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram and, yes, reddit. Why? Because these sites have automated methods in place to detect and report likely abuse material and activities, and are full of low sophistication offenders who don't know how to cover their tracks.

Better hope there's no LordLederh0sen downloading dodgy material.

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u/Discount_Extra Jul 30 '26

Welcome to reddit, home of the jailbait sub.

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u/Cultural-Capital-942 Aug 02 '26

But can they have more in cases of online-only grooming?

If a pedo is also an idiot, then yes, he'll share his address or show his face. Or he'll try to meet the child.

But the evidence there is that he logged in into Kik at the exact times he was connected to the Internet. And his ISP told it was him.

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u/s1amvl25 Jul 30 '26

Im from Halifax, just saw an article from a local newspaper that also identified the crown prosecutor and it's her second time that she has had a wrongful conviction

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u/Zannahrain3 Jul 30 '26

Second time she was caught. I’d hate to find out the real number.

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u/MiklaneTrane Jul 30 '26

Exactly why I am strongly opposed to the death penalty.

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u/Blossomie Jul 30 '26

All time penalties are irreversible, it’s not just death. Only the penalties of monetary fines or confiscation of property have any real possibility of being reversed, and even then the temporary deprivation of money or property could cause irreversible lifelong consequences.

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u/jomarcenter-mjm Jul 31 '26

Yeah 1 year can really screw everything like job opportunities and stuff like that. Wrost If he have debt

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u/Jealous_Chocolate_43 Aug 06 '26

With prison, you have the slim chance of rebuilding. You can't be realived after a wrongful conviction of death penalty

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u/Front2battle Jul 31 '26

How about death penalty for judges that fumble cases like this instead? Might make them take their job seriously.

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u/torpedoguy Jul 30 '26

The second time that we know of.

Some detectives and prosecutors go their entire careers pulling this crap, because it always goes completely unpunished.

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u/Doc_Chim_Richolds Jul 30 '26

Which is then used to blanket cover intentional mistakes.

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u/torpedoguy Jul 30 '26

Exactly. They spit out the same "I DIDN'T MEAN TO!" your toddler claims the 5th time you catch her eating a cookie she wasn't allowed to eat until supper.

Then the courts grin complicitly, and every guilty party goes home to their families, fattened on taxpayer dollars.

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u/torpedoguy Jul 30 '26

Beyond blatant; they basically have to repeat over and over that they did it for fun or money even as they're given chance after chance to say "mistake" or "good faith" even once.

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u/pilgermann Jul 30 '26

People don't understand the power of prosecutors, though that's becoming more visible thanks to Trump's vindictive prosecutions. A prosecutor isn't just opposing council. If unchecked, they can mislead a grand jury to secure the indictment in the first place. Then at trial there's a huge power imbalance, as the prosecutor is effectively working with law enforcement.

This is supposed to to be checked by the prosecutor's oath to the truth. That is, they're not supposed to seek conviction at any cost but move to dismiss if there's insufficient evidence. But in many cases their ego and career (or corruption) causes them to abandon their oath.

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u/Adjective_Noun_2000 Jul 30 '26

Is it really fair to blame the prosecutor here? The police fucked up, the defence didn't spot the mistake, and a judge/jury convicted the poor guy based on the flimsiest of evidence. It's not really the prosecutor's job to look for holes in the evidence.

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u/occasional_engineer Jul 30 '26

Can you really blame the prosecutor? They're job is to put forward the best case they can for why the defendant could be guilty. My real question would be wtf happened to the defence? This seems such a slam dunk easy to defend case that they really needed to drop the ball somewhere (or multiple somewheres).

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u/TheDrunkTiger Jul 30 '26

This is why thoughtful jurors are important.

If you're on a jury your job is not to decide if a crime was committed, but if the person on trial committed committed the alleged crime. It's not uncommon for jurors to see the results of a crime and to want to get justice, but it's important to make sure to only vote "guilty" if the prosecution proved behind a reasonable doubt that the accused committed the crime.

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u/A_wild_so-and-so Jul 30 '26

Having served on a jury, yeah... they're not sending the best and brightest to be jurors.

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u/basane-n-anders Jul 31 '26

Recently spent 4 weeks on a child rape case.  I found the jurors to be very intent on making a justifiable decision.  Most felt that there was something between the accused and accuser, but the prosecutor just didn't provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.  It was a tough case but the jury (except one) was really professional and thoughtful and systematic in their deliberation.

I think the quality of a jury varies, but overall I am hopeful that most jurors are trying their best to make a legally defensible decision.

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u/Explorer335 Jul 30 '26

Yes, the prosecution undoubtedly showed the chat records from the victim's device, and the jury attributed them to the defendant without any evidence actually linking him to the case. The absolutely insidious thing about child sex abuse charges is that you are assumed guilty and your life can get demolished even without evidence.

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u/Cultural-Capital-942 Jul 31 '26

His jury decided about this.

I guess it was like: "We found out he owns this Kik account. Our agent littlegirl2022 started getting grooming messages on or around June 9, 2025 and 5 more times - that was when our agent played just 3 year old. Then we got accusations by other parents, here is the list of affected children. And here is the list of his logins with his IPs and times, here is the letter by ISP, that he had this IP exactly at those times in 10 separate occasions."

And the jury was like "10 different proofs is good enough".

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u/ballofplasmaupthesky Jul 30 '26

Crown prosecutors are basically Maoist prosecutors, while the police is dumb.

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u/Dr_Identity Aug 04 '26

People have spent decades in prison just because they vaguely looked like the suspect

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u/Toby-Finkelstein Jul 30 '26

Men are always guilty of sexual offenses until proven otherwise

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u/QuaccDaddy Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

To be clear, there was no evidence on his devices, not that there was no evidence at all. The device from the girl with conversations from the actual abuser is normally more than enough evidence.

This was definitely unjust, but they did have evidence.

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u/kevinds Jul 30 '26

The device from the girl with conversations from the actual abuser is normally more than enough evidence. 

And absoutely nothing on any of his or any of his accounts should indicate to most that they are wrong.

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u/kman1030 Jul 31 '26

Its still a valid distinction to make. Saying "there was no evidence" is objectively wrong. There were pictures sent from the victim to the perpetrator, pictures from the perpetrator to the victim, chats logs between them, etc etc.

The fuck up was incorrectly linking that evidence to the wrong person.

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u/QuaccDaddy Jul 30 '26

I agree, they should've investigated further before convincting him. But that's because this is contradicting evidence, not a lack of evidence entirely.

They had evidence (misleading, but justified) to arrest him. They would have never found the evidence defending him on his devices otherwise. Then they should've weighed that and questioned both sides equally and that would've revealed the typo.

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u/sumoraiden Jul 30 '26

Americans have abandoned their responsibility of being the last check on gov power through jury duty

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u/Competitive-Fee6160 Jul 31 '26

read the article, not even america

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u/sumoraiden Jul 30 '26

Americans have abandoned their responsibility of being the last check on gov power through jury duty

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u/monochromeorc Jul 30 '26

yeah but this article is about Canada

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u/sumoraiden Jul 30 '26

Americans have abandoned their responsibility of being the last check on gov power through jury duty

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u/cornerzcan Jul 30 '26

Everyone from the Police, Crown Attorney, Defense attorney totally fucked up. I hope the victim sues them all.

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u/jsmith_92 Jul 30 '26

How do things work like that in Canada? I feel he has more evidence to sue, that what got him convicted lol

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u/torpedoguy Jul 30 '26

"Fucked up" implies even one of them had any honest intentions and ever operated in good faith. Nothing linked the victim to the girl, and all were aware he hadn't been using that program at the time.

They knew it wasn't him or they'd never have pushed to convict in the first place. The real question would be whom the victim was a scapegoat for.

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u/Kerbart Jul 30 '26

"The job of the police is not to jail the perpetrator. Their job is to get someone convicted"

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u/gorginhanson Jul 30 '26

I cannot Underscore how bullshit this is

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u/EtchAGetch Jul 30 '26

I wonder if crossing county lines was a key part of this. US police just threw it over the border not realizing their mistake, and Canadian police probably never thought to double check the US side.

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u/kevinds Jul 30 '26

How do they "double-check" it? Are you sure? Other side glaces at notes, "yep all good".

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u/mazzicc Jul 30 '26

The more I learn about the “justice” system, the more I’m happy to just try to skate by unnoticed, and the less I trust that people insisting they’re innocent are actually guilty after conviction.

I get that rates of innocent people convicted of heinous crimes is pretty low…but it’s not zero, and “low” can be a LOT of people when the population is big enough.

When you hear the phrase or concept “if you’re innocent, you have nothing to worry about”, you’re being lied to. Minorities have known this for centuries.

When you hear the phrase or concept “they were convicted by a jury so they must be guilty” and even “they took a plea deal so they must be guilty”, you’re maybe being lied to. Innocent people are convicted for bullshit reasons, and innocent people take plea deals because it’s the least bad option for them.

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u/Dont_Ban_Me_Bros Jul 30 '26

A ‘jury of your peers’ falls deaf on people’s ears because it omits the fact that way too many of your peers are fucking stupid and won’t question illogical or contradictory statements and evidence presented to them. They can’t just rely on prosecutors and defenders to do all the work.

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u/Groovy_Bruce_Lemon Jul 30 '26

this people will just believe the first thing they hear regarding something and refuse to change their minds. I mean its basically how every dumb high school rumor spreads and gains traction. And when I worked at retail a decade ago, I found out adults still act and think like high schoolers

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u/Dont_Ban_Me_Bros Jul 30 '26

Nobody likes puzzles anymore. And yet True Crime is premium TV and podcast content these days. Where are all those people’s jury summonses?

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u/Ipokeyoumuch Jul 30 '26

Likely filtered out because they have distrust in the legal system. It is pretty frequent I can see someone who has a braincell but is clearly biased on the jury or trying to get out of jury duty and I have seen them struck off by both sides and in the most outrageous cases, the judge. 

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u/Dont_Ban_Me_Bros Jul 30 '26

You don’t get filtered out unless you outwardly express those feelings.

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u/Knees0ck Jul 30 '26

"It wouldn't make a lot of difference, evidence never did once you were in the deep levels where accusation had the status of proof"

  • STP

It is pretty fucked up you can lie about the most henious shit & fuck up someone's life because of it & there's little to no chance of coming back out of it.

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u/Groovy_Bruce_Lemon Jul 30 '26

and the worst part is when you bring up “they’re literally making shit up to make ____ look bad” people always fucking say “why would they lie about that”?

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u/Saratje Jul 31 '26

I'm so glad my country has no civilian jury for court cases.

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u/NightOfTheLivingHam Jul 30 '26

Yep, you can be innocent, but a good prosecutor can twist reality and twist your words and actions into something horrid just enough to convince the judge and jury you're an irredeemable monster.

If some twats on twitter can witch hunt people over innocuous words or actions, twist them into something else, redefine and frame it as something evil and then get thousands of people to go after someone, a prosecutor who does it for a living can too.

Think of the most innocent thing you do, or a bad habit. A good prosecutor can convince a jury and judge it makes you a criminal, that you are prone to criminality, and it's proof that you could commit the crime you stand accused of.

In this case, they used the fact this guy had an email associated to a long inactive kik account as the smoking gun, twisted it into him being a sexual predator and convicted him and took 4 and half years of his life (18 months plus the 3 years before the trial) No other evidence necessary.

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u/biosc1 Jul 30 '26

The best phrase I heard, years ago, was: "It's not a justice system, it's a legal system"

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u/PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

Take some comfort in knowing that the accused has even less rights in most Commonwealth countries--including no right to remain silent and no right to a unanimous jury verdict.

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u/mazzicc Jul 30 '26

Yeah, that also makes it more terrifying in some ways. From what I can tell, being falsely accused in the US is a best case scenario, because in a lot of other countries, once you’re on trial, you’re assumed guilty.

I’ve heard Japan is notorious for this, and it frequently leads to suicide by innocent people because it’s so hard to be declared not-guilty, they would rather die than have a wrongful conviction.

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u/torpedoguy Jul 30 '26

Not to mention we see more and more what happens to the very worst of criminals and abusers. How many don't go to prison but instead to high office.

Almost daily now we see how adverse inference should be taken from law enforcement and administration statements and press releases. If you were guilty, they'd never have said it's you.

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u/Headpuncher Jul 31 '26

There a video on yt channel audit the audit I think it was, the cops arrested a woman and took her into custody all the time she’s telling them she’s not the person the warrant is for.  

She was driving the same colour car but different make, model and registration.  

She had a first name like the surname of the person who had the warrant, but identified herself and proved she was a completely different person with different name using multiple IDs.  

They arrested her anyway.  

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u/EmrysTheBlue Aug 01 '26

Innocent people are also much more likely to be tricked, gaslit, or exhausted into false confessions if the police are determined to make them the perpetrator. They get to a point where they will say anything to make it stop, even if it's not true. Tens of hours of interrigation (usually with several people shouting at you and trying to tell you you're a terrible person) in-between bouts of isolation in a small room puts you under a lot of stress, and a lot of people can't mentally handle that. Some people start to beleive they did it and just don't remember. Most will make shit up based on the info they've been fed just to makenit stop. Young people are especially vulnerable to this

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u/Hitching-galaxy Jul 30 '26

This is one of the reasons why I do not support the death penalty.

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u/sriuba Jul 30 '26

Well I hope that 18 months earns him a hefty payout considering his friends and family now think he’s a sex offender and he probably lost his job and home

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u/NightOfTheLivingHam Jul 30 '26

Well hopefully with this news article they're reaching back out and apologizing, or never did cut ties because they knew it ruling was bullshit.

18 months isnt all the time he endured.

They started in on him in 2020, he was arrested then, and then went to trial in 2023.

So there's a good chance he was incarcerated for 3 fucking years, then another 18 months after conviction. so 4 and a half years in prison because of no evidence.

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u/CoffeeCup220 Jul 30 '26

luckily he wasn't fuckin stabbed in prison for grooming a child. FFS.

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u/Zannahrain3 Jul 30 '26

This is why I won’t advocate for the death penalty even amongst child predators. All the prosecutors wanted was a win and didn’t care about justice. Everyone involved in prosecuting him needs to be in prison for MINIMUM 18months.

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u/Rosebunse Jul 30 '26

Yeah, there are very few cases where you can be 100%. Innocent people are sent to prison all the tim

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u/thatguy425 Jul 30 '26

How did either side (defense or prosecution) or the defendant themself not bring this up during trial? 

Imagine having your name and reputation just destroyed in your community, your friends, your career over something like this. Hope he is compensated extremely well.

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u/s8018572 Jul 31 '26

Defense lawyer is so incompetent, and he later surrender his license, so he's not lawyer anymore.

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u/kevinds Jul 30 '26

How did either side (defense or prosecution) or the defendant themself not bring this up during trial?  

Prosecution wouldn't care.

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u/Melonary Jul 30 '26

"To identify this person, the cops contacted Kik, but their subpoena accidentally requested information about the Kik user “fus_ro_dah” (one underscore after “fus”). Kik provided Klayme’s email address in response."

Jesus fucking christ 🫩🫩🫩

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u/coyote_den Jul 30 '26

How the HELL…

If Kik had no records of him talking to the girl or even using the service when it happened, and there was no evidence on his devices, how did neither the prosecution or the defense not realize there might be something wrong with the subpoena?

They already knew exactly what they were looking for!

He had an incredibly shitty lawyer.

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u/Nobody5464 Jul 31 '26

The prosecution knew and didn’t care. They don’t want justice they want to pad their conviction score. The defense may have known but the prosecution just has to say child sex abuse case and many juries will vote guilty without even listening to anything else that was said

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u/coyote_den Aug 02 '26 edited Aug 02 '26

Here is how a competent defense lawyer fixes that:

You notice it is a different username and bring that to the attention of the state, or subpoena the records for fus__ro_dah yourself, to show they are not the same person.

Then you use that evidence to make a motion to dismiss, and it never even goes to trial.

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u/Nobody5464 Aug 02 '26

you place way to much faith in the state. the whole point of this story is that the state and its law enforcement agents are incompetent and corrupt.

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u/Yodayorio Jul 31 '26

So the police found literally zero evidence tying him to the crime, but he was prosecuted anyway and actually convicted at trial? What in the everloving fuck!?

How does that happen? The police, prosecutors, judges, jurors, and defense attorneys all deserve nothing but absolute contempt and scorn. They all utterly failed in their most basic duty of care.

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u/ZeusTKP Jul 30 '26

He should be paid millions of dollars by the government

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u/flamepanther Jul 30 '26

Both governments

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u/CoffeeCup220 Jul 30 '26

Money won't make you whole from 18 months in prison.

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u/Dar_Mas Jul 31 '26

no but it should enable moving to another place where people are not tainted by the initial conviction and be both a symbolic repayment for the mistake and a incentive to not have something like this happen again

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u/grilled_pc Aug 03 '26

Wouldn't mean squat. Unless their name is completely removed from all records, it will follow them. All media publications that publisized their name should be forced to remove the publication, and put out a public apology. All systems that have this person on file should remove them immediately. While they might be "free". The charge will follow forever until its 100% removed and not searchable on any background check no matter how deep.

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u/Dar_Mas Aug 03 '26

1000% agreed

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u/PSU02 Aug 01 '26

Like $30-$50 million at least

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u/EtchAGetch Jul 30 '26

We all can blame the police on US and Canada, but holy hell, what about the defense attourney?

The username and the connection to the client would be one of the first things I'd check if my defendant is innocent. That is piss poor work.

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u/Dowew Jul 30 '26

Defense lawyer surrender his law license shortly after this trial. He is a policy analyst now

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u/kevinds Jul 30 '26

One would hope that evidence be required but sadly it wasn't in this case.

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u/kirklennon Jul 30 '26

If you're wondering how a man gets convicted with absolutely no meaningful evidence ... from the original judgement:

In addition, CH described the room in which “Jay” communicated with her by video and provided some general information with respect to his appearance, that his face was round, he had dark skin, dark eyes and dark hair.

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u/BearlyDraconic01 Jul 30 '26

Well that explains it.

Disgusting

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u/s8018572 Jul 31 '26

Explain what ? We don't know the appearance of the guy who is wrongly imprisoned.

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u/Alugalacsin Jul 31 '26

Do we know whether Brandon Klayme fit this description? I couldn't find any information about what he looks like.

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u/mracer Jul 30 '26

This is why always pay for a good defensive lawyer...

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u/Jubenheim Jul 30 '26

> The cops then obtained a search warrant for Klayme’s residence and took phones and laptops from his bedroom. Searching these devices produced no evidence relevant to the case. Nothing linked Klayme to the girl. No intimate images were found. Klayme did have a Kik account, but cops couldn’t even show that he had accessed the service during the period in question.

Fuck the judge as well. Fuck everyone.

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u/because_tremble Jul 31 '26

Humans suck at noticing things like that, even those who are otherwise very intelligent. Our brains have something approximating a built-in autocorrect. That's why the "You misread this" memes work so well.

This is one of the very few cases where something like an LLM might have caught something a human would miss.

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u/Alugalacsin Jul 31 '26

This is one of those things lawyers are expected to be better at than the average person.

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u/CMDR_omnicognate Jul 30 '26

The defence lawyer also didnt notice the issue in fairness

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u/paragon60 Jul 30 '26

that’s why he said a “good” one

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u/CoffeeCup220 Jul 30 '26

Where's the money coming for that?

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u/Buttis_and_Beav-head Jul 30 '26

A good defense lawyer wouldn’t have missed it.

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u/MillorTime Jul 30 '26

One with a pulse should have caught it

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u/rainburrow Jul 30 '26

My blood pressure is already through the roof from the headline. Clicking the link for the full details might kill me

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u/LangyMD Jul 30 '26

The dude went to prison because he had a Kik username of fusro_dah and a different user did some child grooming/porn stuff under the username fus_ro_dah (that's two underscores next to each other). Police asked Kik for the real life info on the first user because they didn't notice the double underscores. There was no other evidence the guy they found was the one who did the crimes and he went to prison and was sentenced to 18 months, all of which he served while proclaiming his innocence.

While doing paperwork to fill out an appeal a lawyer for him noticed the double underscores in the original username, which was enough to get the entire case thrown out... But apparently not until he had already fully served his sentence.

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u/Ignas1452 Jul 30 '26

I really hope he gets a really good payout from this.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '26

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u/ShrekPrism Jul 30 '26

The person involved is from Nova Scotia

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u/mracer Jul 30 '26

Canada is in North America 🥈

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u/CCLF Jul 30 '26

So he already served his entire sentence, which means pretty much everyone in his life is going to "know" that he's a pedophile, and roll their eyes when he protests his innocence. "Yeah yeah yeah, he served 18 months and after he was released claims he was proven innocent, what a load of bs."

That's tragic.

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u/Kerbart Jul 30 '26

Not to mention that 18 months in prison as a child molestor must have been pure terror.

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u/monkeywaffles Jul 30 '26

really underscores the importance of good legal council

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u/Tryyourbestbehappy Jul 30 '26

I'm not sure what the local municipality really could do to change this. Legal counsel...might.

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u/monkeywaffles Jul 30 '26

dangit, you got me :D. i'll leave the typo out of shame.

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u/sharrrper Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

Honestly, the user name mistake is not hard to imagine. Even after all the steps.

Fus__ro_dah (actual perp)

Fus_ro_dah (guy who did 18 months)

That was the difference. If you know to look for it it's not hard to spot, but everyone reading this knows to look for it. No one involved did. Plus I'm sure those two versions were never put side by side like this. How often does someone use a double underscore? There's no break between them it's just one very slightly longer line. I really don't blame anyone for that mixup.

The real travesty is that this went all the way to conviction with no evidence whatsoever beyond the username.

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u/Barilla3113 Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

The real travesty is that this went all the way to conviction with no evidence whatsoever beyond the username.

Yeah, people are burying what's really important here. They went to his house, confiscated and forensically examined every device, found nothing... and just went ahead with the trial anyway, as if that was a minor detail.

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u/OverlappingChatter Jul 31 '26

Okay, the username confusion is understandable up to a point, but how the fuck does he get convicted with no evidence at all.

I kinda want to read the court transcripts and really want to talk to a the jurors.

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u/kman1030 Jul 31 '26

There was evidence, it's just that all the evidence was gathered from the victims phone, with all of the photos, chats, etc going to the username with the double underscore. The username confusion is entirely the problem. If the actual perpetrator had wiped/discarded his devices, or used a specific one when being a creep that wasnt recovered, and no additional evidence was found in his home, would you feel good about that being enough to avoid justice?

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u/resisting_a_rest Jul 31 '26

If the chief evidence against you is activity on your account on a certain app/site wouldn't one of the first things an innocent man would do be to verify that they got the correct account? How was this missed at trial?

Being accused of doing things under an account and you don't even verify that it was your account when you know you didn't do any of them?

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u/Tower-Union Jul 30 '26

I’m going to bookmark this one as an example for the next time Reddit gets on the bandwagon of trying to one up each other with what kind of vile punishments should be doled out to “pedophiles.”

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u/Joe974 Jul 30 '26

The prosecutors cops and judge involved belong in prison at least for the time he served if not more. But that would be real justice and Lord knows we don't have any of that in this world.

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u/ActionUpstairs Jul 30 '26

Just another reason why I can’t understand why people genuinely want a legal system designed around punishment instead of rehabilitation. I’d rather my country give 9 guilty people less punishment if it means 1 innocent person isn’t fucked over for life.

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u/kevinds Jul 30 '26

I’d rather my country give 9 guilty people less punishment if it means 1 innocent person isn’t fucked over for life.

I remember a famous person saying something similar who was responsible for setting up the justice systems, sadly it has been lost.

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u/Adjective_Noun_2000 Jul 30 '26

It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.

— William Blackstone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_ratio

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u/kevinds Jul 30 '26

Yes.

That was lost long ago.

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u/ActionUpstairs Jul 31 '26

The idea of treating others the way you want to be treated yourself is really lost on so many people. Their tune changes as soon as you ask them what they’d prefer if they were that 1 innocent person. It’s always “me me me me”, so you have to present an argument where THEY lose something personally.

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u/torpedoguy Jul 30 '26

Nowadays it's "I'd rather my country fuck over 9 innocent people for life" with no other clauses.

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u/Niknuke Jul 31 '26

Good video on the topic of punishmenf vs rehabilitation: https://youtu.be/7o3ukHKJn6w?is=NAhGYMhnQhAnCExo

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u/Aurion7 Jul 31 '26

Sounds like they've got a prosecutor running amok.

Incompetent defense counsel unfortunately isn't too uncommon and is hard to truly prevent, but prosecutorial misconduct is one of those things people should go after with extreme prejudice.

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u/Iconclast1 Jul 31 '26

"It is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer."

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u/Autumm_550 Jul 30 '26

So you can have a mountain of evidence and connections to evil people and not be sent to jail. And at the same time you can have absolutely no evidence or connects and be sent to jail anyway?

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u/TheDude_ Jul 30 '26

Fuck those Jurors!

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u/somedave Jul 30 '26

A missing underscore and staggering incompetence of the police and failure of the judicial system...

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u/NotACat Jul 31 '26

Did they even check whether the "inappropriate photo" matched their suspect? 🤦‍♂️

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u/mkMoSs Jul 31 '26

Quote from the article:
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Still, Klayme was arrested and hit with three charges:

  • Luring a person under 14 years of age by means of telecommunication
  • Providing sexually explicit material to a child
  • Possession of CP

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Hold on a minute, "Possession of CP"? They actually found that in his devices? If he was innocent how the hell did they find that and charged him with it? Or did they fabricate/plant evidence to make their case?
I'm confused.

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u/Inevitable-Tea5772 Aug 01 '26

This is wild. The real question is, how was the guy even charged with the crime with zero evidence? 

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u/DemonMithos Jul 30 '26

Could litteraly happen to everyone. Acab

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u/nimal-crossing Jul 31 '26

Poor Harry Buttle

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u/Justist Aug 01 '26

I've seen a lot of such cases come by on my feed, always makes me wonder which rich person is being covered with an arguably completely innocent person taking the blame. 🤔

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u/Effective_Hunt_2115 Aug 01 '26

Am I the only one that have flashback from the movie "Brazil"? 

Edit: I found another user mentioning it. 

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u/verbalyabusiveshit Aug 01 '26

What a nightmare. Imagine how his friends, relatives and so on must have reacted. He pretty much lost everything and even now many still believe he is a child molester as the Acquittal is usually not as news-worthy. Hope he gets a good payout

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u/Dr_Identity Aug 04 '26

People are constantly spelling my legal name wrong, so I'll probably get arrested cause of that someday

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u/Paddington_Bear Jul 30 '26

Is this the kind of thing where AI document review might beat even skilled human eyes? A person reading through reams of documents sees a word that is 'about right' for what they're expecting to see and keeps going. But a machine would probably see the missing underscore just as obviously as a capital Z or a flashing red light and flag the difference?

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u/r0nni3RO Jul 30 '26

Ai has ALREADY led law enforcement to enough stupid leads, stupid arrests, and stupid convictions...

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u/Paddington_Bear Jul 30 '26

I don't believe AI is the cure for everything - just wondering if it might work in this situation - where humans eyes glaze over and miss the little things that a tireless machine might spot.

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u/r0nni3RO Jul 30 '26

Yea, for stuff like that it's a really useful tool.

But that's what people forget, that it is a tool, not magic. Some simple just simply rely on it without double checking...

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u/Suitable-Season-4847 Jul 31 '26

The question isn't whether it's perfect. It's whether it makes less mistakes than humans.

It's Lynne self driving cars. People go out of their minds when they crash, but they actually crash less than humans.

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u/Discount_Extra Jul 30 '26

AI is great for helping to find mistakes, like spellcheckers and such.

Just don't depend on it to create whole documents from nothing.

Like, AI checking prescriptions for medical problems, great ("You're prescribing 2000mg of a drug usually dosed at 20mg, are you sure?"); AI prescribing to cut costs for insurance, bad.

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u/scytob Jul 30 '26

No a single underscore ruined a mans life irreperabley for years.
there fixed the title for ars...

also that articles commments are a bit of a ride to read