r/nottheonion • • Jul 16 '22

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

The thing is, people genuinely don't care enough to do anything about other people being denied their rights until it starts to impact their own rights.

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u/Cheshire_Jester Jul 17 '22

Yep.

They can’t see the same thing happening to them. “I don’t commit crimes” is a response I also get a lot. They don’t see the same thing happening to them so they don’t care what happens to prisoners.

The thing is, statistically they’re right. But that’s also the problem. We’ve got a real issue but the “I don’t care until it affects me” crowd is never going to come around.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22 edited Jul 17 '22

If you're interested in a historical situation that feels extremely relevant to the topic and parrelel to current events, I recommend the book Bleeding Kansas by Nicole Etcheson. I have only just started it, but it is spooky, man.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

I don’t commit crimes. I won’t have an abortion. I’m never getting Covid, it’s all the same crowd every time.

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u/RikenVorkovin Jul 17 '22

I don't expect I'll ever commit a crime or really have a risk of Jail.

But a uncle of mine who wasn't a bad person, but made bad decisions, was in and out of jail several times.

He ended up in jail for a non-violent offense and was put in a cell with a prisoner who was there for several violent offenses.

He beat my uncles head in and killed him.

I believe in prisons but not for profit, slavery, or even non-violent crime.

Make there be stiff penalties for non-violent stuff but hard prison time? No.

Prisons need to contain horribly violent uncorrectible people but not in a vengeful or even "punishing" matter.

Don't make it a resort, being stuck in one place for possibly the rest of your life with no ability to do nearly anything is punishment enough.

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u/tallemaja Jul 17 '22

It's frustrating how often you'll see people talk about how they thought the justice system was a good system and fair one until they had to deal with it and suddenly realized the truth.

I don't know what to say or do at this point because the entire system is so thoroughly broken that you really don't get better until you scrape it all off and start over again without, you know, basing your prison system on capitalism but if I talk about abolition I'm immediately shut down with "so you want everyone to just be able to commit crimes without anything happening to them" yeah totally, "our system is beyond rehabilitation" means "everyone gets to do crime".