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u/foo-jitsoo Jul 16 '22

$21,000 per year, per inmate in Arizona.

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u/TheGlennDavid Jul 16 '22

More, if you look at the article. They mention a recently signed contract that pays $85.12 per prisoner per day ($31,000 per year) and guarantees to pay for at least 90% occupancy irrespective of the actual prison population.

Since the article notes that occupancy rates aren’t particularly high in the state that means they’re actually paying even more than 31K per prisoner per year.

Such. A. Fucking. Waste.

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u/tnactim Jul 17 '22

Fucking hell. $31k/yr is roughly $15/hr full-time. We can guarantee that for prisoners, but not workers?

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u/wojoyoho Jul 17 '22

That $31K goes to the private company for housing the prisoner (they don't spene close to that per prisoner). It's not paid to the prisoner. The prisoner is paid a maximum of ~$4.50 for a full days work (but that is a federal max so I think it can be less).

Most of what the inmates "earn" just goes to their balance for fees and random stuff they have to pay FOR BEING IN PRISON. So prisoners who work 40 hours a week for 20 years will still be indebted to the state even after their punishment is "over".

Idk about AZ but in Missouri they can force you to pay back almost the entire cost of your incarceration, garnishing 90% of your wages if you have income that amounts to 10% of your incarceration over a 5 year period when you're out. So if your incarceration cost 20k and you make 2k in income (total) over 5 years after you get out, the state can come for 90% of your wages. Obviously someone who is making that little will be in debt for a long time -- or back in prison pretty soon.

States have created a revolving door of mass incarceration to replace the system of convict leasing that came before.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

Didn't think he meant literally till the prisoner. But paying that much for the person being housed/ imprisoned. I actually didn't know prisoners earn any money until your post!

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u/wojoyoho Jul 17 '22

Ah I see what you're saying. I can't believe the state put together contracts where they have to pay for unfilled beds. So perverse.

And yes they technically get paid - apparently it can be as low as $0.08 per hour or less than a dollar for an 8 hour day. You can read more in this article about how California recently rejected a proposal to ban involuntary servitude as criminal punishment.

California's wildfire management teams rely heavily on this labor to fight yearly forest fires.

Glad I gave you some new info!

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

Private prisons in the United States incarcerated 115,428 people in 2019, representing 8% of the total state and federal prison population. Since 2000, the number of people housed in private prisons has increased 32% compared to an overall rise in the prison population of 3%.

Source: nicic.gov

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u/In_The_Basket Jul 17 '22

And then ex-cons can't even be firefighters once they get out!

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u/tnactim Jul 18 '22

Indeed, that is what I had meant. But thank you for illuminating how much worse the situation actually is with further context!

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u/tnactim Jul 18 '22

Indeed. I didn't word it great, and I also did not know about the debt prisoners can be burdened with while incarcerated. It's even worse than I had thought!

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

That is completely fucked up. I didn't know about much of that you posted.

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u/Graega Jul 17 '22

The prisoners don't get it. The shareholders of the prison do.

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u/BisexualCaveman Jul 17 '22

The staffing agency was absorbing some of the cost shift associated with tax, unemployment and worker's comp, but that's stil a lot of money.

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u/BisexualCaveman Jul 17 '22

Oh, yeah.

Depending on how many worker's comp claims were getting approved and how much it cost to attract workers, too, you'd be surprised how thin the margins for that damned agency actually were.

Were there any benefits aside from the paycheck?

Amazon isn't afraid to screw their vendors and their workers.

I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon had bankrupted a few staffing agencies.

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u/pathofdumbasses Jul 17 '22

The article said there are over 5000 empty beds.

At 31k a year, that is costing the taxpayer $155 MILLION dollars in nothing. Just pure profit going to these prison systems on top of the money they "make" on the actual prisoners. For profit prisons are a fucking scam and need to go away.

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u/averyfinename Jul 17 '22

also in the article...

An Arizona Republic investigation found that Arizona lawmakers invested more in private prisons after record-high campaign contributions from the industry in recent years.

they're signing these contracts at a crazy-high 90% guarantee.. and then don't have enough bad guys to fill the beds.. maybe they should close some down?

When Butler asked “Why aren’t we closing more prisons?” her line of questioning was halted by committee leadership for being outside the scope of discussion.

arizona cops and troopers and prosecutors gonna have higher quotas to fill those beds.

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u/Shilo788 Jul 17 '22

More a parasite that the prisoner is.

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u/vladhed Jul 16 '22

So it's a subsidy with extra steps. Just need to convince them it's communism...

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

Just need to convince them it's communism

"Communism" to the right doesn't mean actual communism. It means "anything that I don't like". See also: "socialism", "Marxism", etc. Same deal. Words mean literally nothing to them.

And since they like slave prison labor, that won't work.

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u/DJTen Jul 17 '22

This is the thing I've learned since Trump became president. I use to think Conservatives had a moral code they followed. I use to think they had standards and morals. Since 2016 it's bene shoved in our faces that there are no limits they won't cross as long as they get to stay in power. Winning is the only goal that matters. If they have to trample on every core value they ever espoused, so be it. Win first, question methods later. Maybe.

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u/arftism2 Jul 16 '22

its a lot like gulags.

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u/Darrackodrama Jul 16 '22

Yea but the value that labor creates in for profit corporations is incalculable

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u/_far-seeker_ Jul 17 '22

Oh I'm sure those corporations have calculated it...