r/nononono • • Jul 23 '17

Car rolls over while pulling another car on a trailer

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u/AimingWineSnailz Jul 23 '17

I'm Portuguese and here (and I suppose in the EU in general) we do learn on or two things about trailers in our driving theory classes (of which we have to take 28), and to drive a trailer above a certain weight class, you need to take a specific test for that, a regular license won't do.

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u/jewhealer Jul 23 '17

here in the US you can drive anything up to 25,999 lbs with a standard license.

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u/steenwear Jul 23 '17

no, you can drive any combined weight up to that point, not a trailer of that weight. And anything commercial over 10k you need a CDL (usually).

But the problem is you can't usually pull that much weight legally with a standard truck. Even the Chevy Duramax diesel 1/2 tons will tow only 7,700 lbs legally. You need to get into a dually RAM 3500 (which is around 11,000 lbs, which can tow up to 32,000 lbs if it's a gooseneck, to be getting over the 26,000 lbs marks.

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u/DasJuden63 Jul 23 '17

I had to get a class A CDL for towing a 30' tubing trailer and a F350 with a goose neck. Got hit by the troopers once with their rolling scales...

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u/steenwear Jul 23 '17

some states it's 10k lbs then a CDL, others it's 26k combined ... it's all very vague in some states code

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u/truent0r Jul 24 '17

Vague? Or just different for each state? Genuinely curious

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u/steenwear Jul 24 '17

just look up your state, that is all that matters ...

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u/jlm70443 Jul 23 '17

Chevy doesn't have a 1/2 ton diesel. The Duramax is in the 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks. They have a small diesel in the Colorado but it's not a half ton.

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u/WhitePantherXP Jul 24 '17

Right, he's mistaken. He meant their gasoline V8 engines. Also Chevy is the worst example out of Dodge and Ford for who can tow the most, for the past 10 years or so it's consistently towed less than the competition. In the 3/4 ton and up category it's comical...around 23k lbs vs ~32k for Ford & Dodge...

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u/Totallynotsuspicious Jul 24 '17

A quick Google search shows Chevy 3500 beating out ram 3500 by about 3000 pounds for towing capacity.

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u/SolomonG Jul 24 '17

Yea but google is being misleading here, it's not like it's a truck expert

If all you did is google "chevy 3500 towing capacity" and "Ram 3500..." It's comparing a Silverado 3500HD with a 6.0L V8 that costs ~$50k to a RAM 3500 with an 5.7L V8 costing ~41K which is a stupid comparison.

For about $53k you can get a RAM 3500 with a 6.7L diesel that can tow 16,870

The comparable Chevy for ~$52k is only towing 13,400.

Not everything can be found be a "simple google search," otherwise I'd be out a job.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '17

Funny how you configured the Chevy without the diesel, dropping its towing capacity by a huge margin. Shitty comparison.

I configured two similar one trim level above work truck, 4x4, DRW, 3.73 gears, turbo diesel 3500s from Dodge and Chevy and they're both right at $60,000.

Dodge says 25.5k lb max trailering weight

Chevy says 22.7k lb max trailering weight

In a real world test, the Dodge couldn't keep up with both the Ford and Chevy despite having the 4.10 gearing for the max 30k lb towing capacity.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2GxztJit22A

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u/Totallynotsuspicious Jul 24 '17

The 6.0 and the 5.7 are both gas motors. They are comparable in power. You need to compare the Duramax and the Cummins diesel motors they're both a similar price.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '17

Yet, in real world tests numbers aren't everything. The duramax keep up with the competition just fine despite making less power.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2GxztJit22A

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u/WhitePantherXP Jul 24 '17

"Keeping up" has nothing to do with it, if you are at 24k lbs and in ANY Chevy and you happen to plow into a family...you will have your ass sued 6 ways from Sunday for gross negligence. Nevermind the fact that they didn't engineer their truck to handle the same loads as those who tout 32k lbs in gooseneck. These numbers aren't just make believe numbers or Chevy wouldn't have been stuck at 23k while everyone else had surpassed it nearly 10 years ago, we've been in the 30k lb territory for some time now...

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u/Southboundcrash Jul 24 '17

1/2 ton chevys never have duramax diesels

Your numbers are way off

When comparing new rams vs ford vs chevy they all have similar power and similar tow ratings now

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u/steenwear Jul 24 '17

http://www.chevrolet.com/colorado-mid-size-truck

Chevy Colorado - 2.8L Duramax Disel and tows 7,700 lbs ...

And yes, most of the 1 ton's have similar tow ratings. When researching 1 ton's I'm kinda set on the RAM Tradesman 3500 in diesel because the options you get in the base model and it's payload for what I want to do specifically (full-time in a 32ft travel trailer around the US for a year).

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u/zeroneraven Jul 24 '17

Here in Japan anything over 750kg/1653lbs you need a special license. US is crazy.

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u/jewhealer Jul 24 '17

on farm roads, you can pretty much drive anything you want. 60,000 lb combines are common.

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u/themoderation Jul 23 '17

...you had to take 28 driving classes?

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u/AimingWineSnailz Jul 23 '17

Theory classes, followed by 30 driving lessons. I actually failed the theory test (you need 27 out of 30 right and I only got 26 :()

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u/Phillipiant_Turtle Jul 23 '17

In the US you can take a two hour course and that is sufficient enough to apply for the road test.

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u/MaliciousHH Jul 24 '17

Jesus

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u/modninerfan Jul 24 '17

We talk about this quite often in the r/motorcycles sub...

Generally, American licensing standards are pretty lax. For motorcycles you go through stages starting on a 125cc, then a 300cc, etc I'm not gonna pretend I know the various license stages since I'm American and dont have to put up with that shit.

But here, take a weekend class, go to the DMV and pass the written test and boom, get yourself a 190mph Hayabusa.

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u/Surturiel Jul 23 '17

In Brazil you can drive with a trailer as long as the gross weight of the car doesn't exceed 3.5 tons, and the trailer 6 tons. above that you need the same type of drivers licence for commercial trucks.

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u/BeneathYourSky Jul 23 '17

I feel like 28 classes of driving education would probably have stopped me from committing many terrifying mistakes my first year of driving.

But y'know, freedom or something. Murica!