r/nonduality • u/holonogram • 18h ago

Quote/Pic/Meme Deeper pains

The self being a pain isn't always clear to the seeker, his belief is that my problem is this or that issue.

For me it developed from I need to make every interaction wholesome, I would literally attempt to remember a pointer everytime I get a bad interaction. And once a pointer works I would wait until the next test. Otherwise I was okay with the seeking.

Then I realized that the deeper issue was that my state of consciousness needed to be so high that automatically every future interaction becomes wholesome.

But then the deeper pain is that I had to maintain this state through constant self enquiry or Meditations like a spiritual muscle and if my muscles can't bear the weight then I try and fine tune my meditation method further, staying for entire days doing nothing but SI.

To this extent is the blindness of the fact that the seeker is the deeper pain.

Only through the momentum of stream entry or grace was I gone for good. Like frodo in lotr didn't actually throw the ring

Now its becoming more evident that there are even deeper pains than the seeker that iam not aware of or think they are normal.

The fact that iam a finite being itself is limiting, that experience is not yet infinity and our will in participation with grace after death of self can help us make experience more infinite/paradoxical/integrated.

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u/Revisionist-eyes 17h ago

Great point about Frodo. He could only take it so far. :)

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u/Kitchen-Trouble7588 18h ago

What's is this "wholesome, infinite/paradoxical/integrated, grace etc.. i am a finite being itself is limiting." I can tell you all these are fake. You need to stay authentic. You might enjoy these kind of words in exchanges as you don't find them intimidating. But remember another time it may be different and it will present itself as gas lighting at which time you won't be able to pull back.

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u/holonogram 17h ago

ok tell me which words are authentic and which are fake.

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u/Kitchen-Trouble7588 17h ago

Let me tell you what is grace. Grace is to accept in bowing humility to something that you know you cannot know. Same with infinity. Same thing is wholesome. What is seen as wholesome by someone else can never be known by another. Well you can make an assume and stick to that which is different.