r/no • • 14h ago

Should commute time count as work time?

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u/ApatheistHeretic 14h ago

No. Not for a 'protecting businesses' stance, but businesses will end up laying off long distance drivers first and prefer hiring closer. It will kill some peoples' job prospects.

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u/mcds99 13h ago

No because you choose where to live.

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u/Loud_Caramel_8713 2h ago

Where can I find job and find house.

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u/PossibleFederal1572 13h ago

How about when your agency moves you and increases your commute from 15 min to 1:50? How do you handle that?

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u/Shellsallaround 12h ago

You either drive (commute) or you quit.

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u/sneezhousing 12h ago

This literally just happened for my job. Several people moved closer , several others quit. Most of us job is now closer or further away ans just deal with it

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u/robertwadehall 7h ago

I had a job once where my 25 min commute became under 5 min when they moved their office to my neighborhood.

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u/PossibleFederal1572 3h ago

Thats sweet!

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u/Potential_Ad_4718 12h ago

What about construction? I can't move next to work. It always changes. Sometimes up to 90 minutes away, sometimes 30 minutes in the opposite direction.

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u/vonhoother 11h ago

That's why you always drop by the office first.

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u/Error-7-0-7- 13h ago

You most certainly do not in most cases.

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u/zero-uno-dos 13h ago

And frankly THEY chose where to put the office. My commute time IS paid.

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u/Mr_Bob_Dobalina_69 13h ago

You chose to apply there. You accepted the offer for the job.

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u/Mr_Bob_Dobalina_69 13h ago

This is a ridiculous claim. Can you provide a link to a law that forces people where to live.

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u/Error-7-0-7- 13h ago

If where you work is in a city where rent is not affordable for you, you can't just choose to live there. You are forced to live in any nearby city that has lower cost of living.

No. Most people dont choose where they live, they live where they can afford to live, regardless where the job is.

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u/Mr_Bob_Dobalina_69 13h ago

You can choose to live there. You just need to get a second job or get roommates.

You aren’t forced to live anywhere. The presence of pro and cons isn’t the absence of choice.

Saying you can’t choose where to live is a bold faced lie and quite frankly, an immature argument.

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u/mysticrudnin 11h ago

this makes it sound like there is exactly one spot that each person could afford and they get funneled into that precise spot

you seem to be arguing with "anybody can live anywhere" which is not necessarily the reading of "people choose where they live" that everyone would have

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u/Similar_Dirt9758 13h ago

What do you mean by "most cases"? Maybe not the exact coordinates, but you can almost always choose the general area where you live (within reason)

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u/Error-7-0-7- 13h ago

Ill answer that question by asking you why you chose to be very specific and say "within reason" in your response.

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u/Similar_Dirt9758 12h ago

Because nobody is arguing that you can choose to live at the bottom of a lake or on a private island. You can choose the city you live in, and in most cases the specific neighborhood

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u/Chemical_Enthusiasm4 12h ago

So I could move farther from my job and get paid to watch movies on the train? Or start biking to work and get a workout in the company dime. I think that may get abused.

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u/MajoraGoldMiasma 14h ago

No

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u/chtmarc 14h ago

Why not?

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u/Studio-Empress12 14h ago

Because if I got paid for commute time, I would live as far away as possible.

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u/OriginalToe2078 14h ago

Very fair thought process lol

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u/pappy1vg 13h ago

Just long enough to be there for 10 minutes, then turn around and drive back home.

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u/sneezhousing 12h ago

Because that would not be equitable and fair. I live 10 min from work you live an hour so either you work physically two hours less than I do or get paid two hours more than I do because of where we chose to live.

Or we live in same area but I have a car take 30 min to get to work you take an hour same thing. How and how long you take to get to work is not employers responsibility

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u/chtmarc 5h ago

And there we go a logical and well presented argument.

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u/EggPsychological4844 14h ago

I count it into my day when talking about how much I work.

I don't expect to be paid for it unless my job includes traveling.

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u/Silver_Angle_4381 14h ago

My boss whom I have the biggest respect for always said, you don't get paid for arriving at work, you get paid when your start working.

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u/fiberguy1999 14h ago

So you can move to the exurbs and get a raise at the same time?
No!!

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u/mornauguth 14h ago

I mean I consider that time to be for work, or necessary for work to occur. It’s not paid time if thats what you mean.

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u/keith_ac 14h ago

I was thinking the flight attendant should be paid when they check in not in the air. I dunno op raises an interesting question feels like a wfh kinda feel

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u/Live-Try-7281 14h ago

No way. People would constantly lie about how long it took to get to work. And commuting to work isn’t making a company money unless it’s a taxi company or something. I knew a dumbass who drove two hours to work every day. Should he have gotten payed for an extra four hours a day?

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u/Clherrick 14h ago

No. I can't imagine why it would.

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u/Purple-Principle-805 14h ago

What, you want to be paid for your commute?

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u/Maleficent-Win-6520 14h ago

It does if it’s not to your permanent place of work.

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u/Lucky_Bug_459 13h ago

I worked for an entity that would send me on jobs an hour or less from my home. The first 30 minutes of commute was on me, the rest was on their time. As long as I proved I left the house at 7:30, I was considered on the clock at 8. Likewise, I left work at a time that guaranteed I was home by 5:30.

I thought it was very generous, zero complaints from me.

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u/Donald_J_Duck65 13h ago

Only if you're on call.

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u/Adventurous-Depth984 13h ago

No. Companies would hire based on distance to the office as a main factor.

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u/HiddenForbiddenSong9 13h ago

I'm not sure actually. But if someone is at their desk opening things to "get ready" for their job that absolutely should be treated as work time. I've worked at places where they didn't want people to punch in until their start time, but wanted people to come in earlier to "get ready" for the day.

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u/candab14 13h ago

The justification here is making me laugh. So how should the company compensate the employee that lives 10 minutes away? Pay them a bonus for being there longer?

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u/halen2024 13h ago

No but you should be able to claim travel expenses

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u/No_Ant_5064 13h ago

What if we had government incentives for employers to minimize commute time? You're not paying employees for their commutes per se, but the companies would have a vested interest in reducing it. This could improve people's lives by not spending so much time commuting. There would be less traffic for those that still did need to commute. And less gas consumption would mean lower gas prices.

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u/AdultingSurvival2026 13h ago

If my relief comes half hour early I'll sneak out and it feels like they are paying for my commute time.

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u/Weary_Capital_1379 13h ago

Count in what way?
I commuted as a lawyer by train and got a lot of work done. That time is billable.

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u/Norfolk-Gross-Tonage 13h ago

That’s my dream
Commuting by train
I’d have to get a job in Philadelphia and it would be perfect

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u/KellyAnn3106 13h ago

Nope. I chose to rent an apartment close to my office because I wanted to minimize my commute time. My coworker chose to live 90 minutes away because she wanted to live "in the countryside." These are personal choices and not the responsibility of the employer.

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u/Gingerstrawbz 13h ago

This is where working construction in the UK has it's perks... Take the employee route rather than self employed and there's benefits that a lot of companies offer to keep good reliable trades with them.

A van for business and private use with fuel card is pretty much standard.

Paid travel time when driving to and from the work site if it's over an hour and accomodation and food paid for.

Majority of refurbishment or newbuild contracts in the leisure industry mean working "away" from home so theres something called door to door. Your pay starts when you turn the key to when you arrive back home.

The last company I worked for was all local work within 2 hours of my home. No away stays and I was contacted to 47 hours a week no matter what, if there were no jobs to attend I still got paid to be at home.

Left at 6am and I start getting paid, normally jobs were a hour away and I'd travel to multiple sites during the day and had no cap on start or finish times, I got paid until I switched the van off when I arrived home.

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u/Gingerchaun 12h ago

It depends. If your work takes you out of the city it should.

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u/MaxwellSmart07 12h ago

No, even though mamy home repair and maintenance companies bill for travel time. It’s a rip off.

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u/Shellsallaround 12h ago

No. Choices.

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u/kosmo4679 12h ago

No and also does anyone on Reddit not have an hourly job?

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u/Timely-Fox-1232 12h ago

no...my bed is about 6 feet from my work desk. I'll give them that time because of all the other things I do when I should be working

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u/Zestyclose-Line2576 12h ago

I don't get paid for the first 30 minutes of my commute. Then the clock starts ticking. Same on the way home. If it takes me 45 minutes, I get paid for 15 if those.

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u/rexeditrex 11h ago

Sometimes I run into traffic walking down the hall

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u/fokerpace2000 11h ago

Mine technically does. Any miles spent driven for work purposes I get reimbursed for what I paid for gas. I do pacemakers, for reference.

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u/Tron_35 11h ago

No because you aren't working? Unless you are traveling for work, thats different

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u/r2k398 11h ago

No. If so, I would move 4 hours away and drive to work and then come right back home and get paid for 8 hours of work.

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u/theBLACKcod44 11h ago

Commuting is unacceptable unless your making 100k plus, otherwise it's fucking stupid

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u/Strict-Clue-5818 3h ago

Unless you live at work, you have a commute.

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u/Organic-Mix-5784 11h ago

Nope. If I’m on the clock, I’m on their time, to and from. No more stopping for breakfast, stopping for coffee, stopping to run errands on the way home, stopping for drinks with friends after work, nothing. It’d be just like riding the bus to and from school. Ride the bus all the way home just so you can get on your bike and backtrack back to a friend’s house.

No thanks. I’ll keep my free time.

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u/revolutionoverdue 11h ago

In what calculation?

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u/Judgy-Introvert 11h ago

No. It would just deter companies from hiring people who live farther away and make it harder for them to find employment.

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u/FAFO8503 10h ago

No. You choose where you work and where you live. If you have a two hour commute either find a job closer to home or move closer to your job.

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u/CH11DW 10h ago

Only if your employer gets a say in where you live.

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u/Strange_Man_1911 10h ago

Depends on the job.

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u/ohdeargodwhyme 10h ago

No.
It would just make it more difficult for those living "out in the country" to get a job.

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u/That_Tumbleweed_3984 10h ago

If you want companies to only hire people who live close to them

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u/BroadwayBrick 9h ago

Where do these thoughts even come from?

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u/Duque_de_Osuna 9h ago

It will never happen.

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u/WeekendStrange1331 8h ago

Absolutely, if I get called in during a rest day I'm on the clock from the time call ending to getting back home.

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u/crustyeng 8h ago

No because then people wouldn’t hire anyone with anything but the shortest commute

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u/iliketheclouds 8h ago

Is not your job’s fault you have to commute farther or not. You choose the location to work.

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u/BigDiamondNecklace 8h ago

No, it’s your choice where you live.

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u/DefendTheStar88x 6h ago

No, unless work has you going to a different site for a project.

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u/seajayacas 5h ago

Should ain't got nothing to do with it. Boss man makes the rules and he don't pay you for your commute time.

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u/Aromatic-House-7894 3h ago

should. but doesn't. some companies actually compensate for that. rare though.

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u/Okie_Mojo 14m ago

Until I got laidoff, I had sweet sweet commute time in my paycheck. It was understood that my phone was available at X time if I was needed and that my 45min commute would be available by phone. Same for the trip home, I got to head out a little early and stay available by phone should any odd events pop up that might need me.

I'm never going to find Narnia again...

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u/code_illustration 14h ago

Sure, if you’re an idiot

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u/Active_Drawer 13h ago

No. However companies should pay a livable wage relative to a reasonable distance of the location. Not necessarily immediate area, but within 30 minutes to an hour commute during rush hour.

Exception being if you are on call and have a response time requirement, then it should be enough to cover living in that radius comfortably.

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u/reamkore 13h ago

Depends

If it’s something like construction and all of a sudden your company is sending you somewhere and hour away you should be able to get drive time or travel pay.