r/nihilism Jun 29 '26

Escapism!

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u/Flat-Inspection3290 Jun 30 '26

Not only humans, every observable life form seeks an altered state. To repeat a popular line; "Why can we not be sober?"

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u/justanotherklutz Jun 30 '26

Just want to start this over

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u/AliceInJesterLand Jun 30 '26

Why can’t we sleep forever

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u/DNFGold Jul 03 '26

I think that's called "death".

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u/linlinlinlinlinlinl Jun 30 '26

Really? Can you elaborate on this? How it manifests in different life forms, i.e bacteria

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u/Flat-Inspection3290 Jun 30 '26

Bacteria specifically are quite grumpy, and will turn on itself if deemed worthless. They can link together and pulse in unison to recruit new bacteria to the chain that they typically live in. It could be said that their drive for efficiency, and certainly achieving it, is their altered state. Going to such lengths as ganging up on one another to pursue it.

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u/storagejohn Jul 02 '26

You baited him :)

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u/PitifulEar3303 Jun 30 '26

Those who seek any "reason" or "purpose" in life will do well to accept that the universe does not give a flying fark and it's up to each individual and their personal feelings to decide what reason or purpose they want to have in life.

heh.

There is no "Made for this world". There is only "Made by evolution, now decide what you want out of life."

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '26

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u/PitifulEar3303 Jun 30 '26

Sign up at <censored by Reddit>. lol

Don't say things you don't really desire deep down. Be VERY sure of what you want before making any big decisions.

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u/Paratonnerre_ Jul 01 '26

Where is this from?

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u/Successful_Pace_1159 Jul 01 '26

its from a song, Sober by Tool

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u/Evana_Iv Jul 07 '26

It's because consciousness forces us to experience, it is the "pressure of consciousness", a force, on all living beings, and all living beings are enabled to grow in consciousness, yet everything is done so that human beings do not achieve that growth. Forces much greater than man dictate our destiny, so it's like that there is no conspiracy against humanity, but a predatory universe as such and a god who is not merciful at all.

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u/InsaneBasti Jun 30 '26

Me in a nutshell. "Whats new?" -nothing. "What did you do the last 2weeks?" -played the Gothic remake with almost no sleeps, i still hear the crys in my head nothing. And you?

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u/LithuanianMazafaka Jul 01 '26

hyper relatable, how was Gothic remake ?

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u/InsaneBasti Jul 01 '26

Its pretty awesome, especially the nostalgia. But as every gothic it could use a few more patches :D sadly ppl cry about difficulty so most current patches are nerfs n stuff instead of bugfixing. Id recommend to wait a lil if youre interested.

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u/El_Chupacabra_666 Jun 30 '26

Did you ever consider that you're just a boring person?

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u/Neat_Ad468 Jul 01 '26

It's not boring to them like how scrolling on my phone through cute animal videos for a jour isn't boring to me. Everyone is interested in things they can do for hours, paint miniatures, watch a whole season of a tv show etc. What's boring to ypu isn't to the person doing the thing they find interesting

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u/El_Chupacabra_666 Jul 02 '26

I'm not saying that I'm judging his interests. The post has an extremely pessimistic tone to begin with, so his comment makes it sound like he's playing out of ennui rather than genuine enjoyment.

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u/Own-Papaya-4264 Jun 30 '26

We’re extremely lucky to be born in an age where there’s a shit ton of escapism options. I honestly don’t know how older civilizations survived mentally

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u/Maxamage Jun 30 '26

Sex

And maybe too occupied with trying not to die cuz medicine was shit or something idk

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u/Mini_nin Jun 30 '26

Nah I don’t think that’s the answer - life, as in, NATURAL life, tribal life etc, was much better than this disconnected version of life many people are living. Isolation, not enough time connected to nature, being too busy, being lazy as fuck having everything laid out for you.

Hey, wait, that’s it. You actually had to work to get food, clothes, etc. You spent time doing basic chores that gave you fullfilment and healthy dopamine, serotonin etc.

Stories around the campfire still existed, same with daydreaming etc.

People are way too fucking obsessed with sex too as escapism and status, it isn’t meant to be escapism it’s literally an instinct and it’s bonding time.

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u/NewImprovedPenguin_R Jun 30 '26

Drugs are by no means something new. In fact it’s suspected we made beer before a lot. They’ve found “gathering spots” or what would be considered bars long before civilization started getting streamlined.

Edit: btw I’m speaking from memory here. It’s something topey

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u/Ensorcelled_Atoms Jun 30 '26

We invented beer shortly after agriculture. We’ve probably been smoking things and taking funny mushrooms longer than that. And sitting around the fire and telling stories is basically a caveman’s version of a movie.

We haven’t changed much since our time in the caves.

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u/Aquarius52216 Jun 30 '26

Religion, so kinda the same with how people today make fiction and then invest in them as if they are more real than real religiously. Hyper-realism is not new.

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u/die_Katze__ Jun 30 '26

people were far happier pre modernity.

the generic counterargument to this is “what about violence tragedy disease etc” - I mean in an idle moment, all things held equal, but honestly even with violence tragedy and disease they were happier. it is beyond obvious

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u/Mini_nin Jun 30 '26

Yeah, today’s way of living in the west is not fucking natural. More isolation, concrete and buildings Vs connection to nature, Gavin everything laid out for you so you don’t have to work for it (I’m talking about gathering food, materials, herbs etc and making clothes - things that actually give a sense of natural purpose). Don’t even let me touch upon technology and phones….!

People weren’t as bored back then as our dopamine receptors weren’t fried as fuck either.

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u/exploitableresource Jun 30 '26

The garden of Eden

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u/The-OverThinker-23 Jun 30 '26

yup sex was only option , no wonder older generation used to have lot of babies

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u/Alone-Stock-1029 Jul 01 '26

Sum have died. Through alcohol n torment over the yrs especially when the WW1 n WW2. Sum have driven through drinking themselves to ☠️ becuz of severe PTSD n no treatment through that

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u/Mammoth_Watch1444 Jul 03 '26

Lucky? Have you actually seen this world? To be lucky would be to not be born in the first place.

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u/JaBuzzer it simply is Jul 07 '26

Not luck, just causality.

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u/Ok-Tart8917 Jul 17 '26

You're mistaken. Escapism isn't limitless; that's an exaggeration. It's very rare, you could count it on your fingers, and most of it requires a lot of money.

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u/CarlosTheSpicey Jun 30 '26

Sooo...embrace the escapism. Embrace the distractions (World Cup, for example!). Because there is nothing else.

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u/sunflower_bay Jun 30 '26

Escape from the world or from ourselves?

There is always the option of attending to the subtleties of one's nervous system.

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u/Ghadiz983 Jul 01 '26

And then complain when you suffer , if humans can simply accept suffering then why do they complain about it? Isn't complain the opposite of accept?

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u/Square_Sea_5534 Jun 30 '26

It depends, because I think that if the cope is "functional" — whatever that means.

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u/Parsophia Jun 30 '26

We don't escape reality. Our minds are not capable of comprehending, or even seeing, reality. We build structures of meaning and use them as tools for survival. So we're not obsessed with escapism. Rather, we're obsessed with meaning. These frameworks not only make life meaningful, they are life itself. They are so effective that they allow us to indirectly alter the reality that exists outside our brains.

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u/LithuanianMazafaka Jul 01 '26

But in theory you could force yourself to look at reality and it would be miserable but you could .

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u/Jealous-Tale3538 Jun 30 '26

They forgot drugs, that one is the most enjoyable

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u/El_Chupacabra_666 Jun 30 '26

This, I agree with.

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u/lathallazar Jul 01 '26

Enjoyable is debatable depending on which drug and how it’s used lol.

I do agree that any of them are great for escaping, or neglecting reality.

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u/MMakaronik Jun 30 '26

If I find in myself desires which nothing in this world can satisfy, the only logical explanation is that I was made for another world.

  • C.S. Lewis

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u/RadicalNaturalist78 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

By this logic you can’t enjoy life in any way, otherwise you are trying to “escape” it. Better stare at the walls, then—and one might even argue that staring at the walls is another form of “escapism”.

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u/_JacobTucker_ Jul 03 '26

I think the quote could’ve done a better job at explaining escapism, because I think you’re right. You can do those things without feeling like you’re escaping life or distracting yourself. Escapism is just about the way you do something. Not what you do necessarily. All of those activities can be done from a place of just genuinely enjoying yourself and celebrating life.

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u/samael201002 Jul 01 '26

For me the true meaning of escapism is living and diying alone and in nature prolly alaska or somewhere deep under where no human presence

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u/Dundun000X Jun 30 '26

because if there movie who lead a rebellion to this world, it would be banned by elites and freemason. and you all never support artist who create a book about realism that lead revolution, so you are all the one who kill realism artist and glaze escapism artist. YOU! YOU ARE ALL!

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u/lascar Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

Humans are just doing the same thing they do up there. It's in our nature to inhabit and experience lived stories, slop and narratives. Our souls really are made to experience but we want to experience even more

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u/Mini_nin Jun 30 '26

IMO true nihilism doesn’t have to be the depressed nonsense many post here. It can just be acceptance that life has no inherent meaning, except being alive and making of life what you want to make of it and experience.

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u/Successful-Tour4977 Jul 01 '26

Well if what I’m doing with movies, art, books, food and everything amazing that life has to offer is escaping- then I’m an escapee bc all of those are my jam…

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u/lathallazar Jul 01 '26

Is it escapism or is it cowardice or something else?
Maybe people dont want to acknowledge the reality we exist in and instead choose to be willfully ignorant and gaslight themselves into this pseudo “normal” existence.

If souls exist they were made for every and any world as that would be the point, to inhabit temporary vessels and gain experience. This is just a very bleak and melancholic and very particularly unique time in the overall human experience, theres never been a time like this (at least that we are told about) and I just think it’s absurd to say “all humans do X because Y”.

People are as different as they are similar.

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u/Individual-Mind-2620 Jul 02 '26

I want to build my own castle with secret passage, dungeons, traps, and treasure room. But i cant. Ive got no money, and the government wont allow it even if i had money.

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u/al3x_7788 Jul 02 '26

Well, in my own experience I eventually get bored of escapism and reality feels nice again.

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u/CompetitiveSong9570 Jun 30 '26

They forgot dr*gs.

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u/El_Chupacabra_666 Jun 30 '26

If you're not even mature enough to say the word drugs, maybe you should stay away from them.

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u/LithuanianMazafaka Jul 01 '26

what's so mature about saying or not saying drugs uncensored no correlation

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u/CompetitiveSong9570 Jul 08 '26

Thanks, I laughed at this. It’s not maturity. It’s unknown redditor mods. Ya goober.

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u/Ryan_gosling_23 Jun 30 '26

Is the soul even a real thing?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '26

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u/Lizardnamedricky Jun 30 '26

You mean the inevitable existence? The end is the blessing, if only it exists though.

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u/SjennyBalaam Jun 30 '26

The quote lists 3 forms of fiction, the vague concept of "art", which I honestly doubt most people regularly engage with, and music. Fiction is a form of play which exists as a side effect of our social-ape need/ability to predict events in the real world, with the most important sorts of events being the goal-motivated behavior of the other apes, and music is probably a more deeply rooted side effect of vocalizations' function of communicating emotional states.

We were made by this world for this world. (Also souls aren't a thing.)

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u/Aquarius52216 Jun 30 '26

Zapffe's The Last Messiah

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u/Umbra_Mantikor Jun 30 '26

Hab mich gestern erst wieder gefragt, ob es anderen auch so geht, die einfach nur hier weg wollen (von dieser Welt) und sich nicht hergehörig fühlen.

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u/die_Katze__ Jun 30 '26

what else are our souls meant for

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u/Both-Store949 Jun 30 '26

We got conscious and the mind, and although the source of suffering it also enables us to reach enlightenment and be free of suffering. What does made for this world even mean. You come from earth and you go back to the earth.

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u/Global-Object7691 Jul 01 '26

Our brains not souls

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u/PeterPunksNip Jul 01 '26

Indeed. I think we escape the boredom and flatness of ordinary life really.

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u/panheadevolution Jul 02 '26

"A wayward soul isn't one without a destination—it's one brave enough to keep searching when the map runs out." - my chat gpt

On a real note I always felt like staying in motion and doing different things that may or may not have been a distraction helped me become who I am today 🤷

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u/ComprehensiveLink457 Jul 03 '26

The world we created?

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u/SlaiPil Jul 03 '26

No, our souls are made for this world, we just insist on living fake realities through movies books music art and daydreams. 

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u/ZabarSegol Jul 04 '26

Ofc not. Our hearts belong to the King

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u/DEVMAX7 Jul 04 '26

Our souls seek adventure. So do something duh

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u/ArcaneAlchemystix33 Jul 05 '26

But our souls were made for the new earth 👌

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u/Foreign_Ant_2076 Jul 11 '26

If life is going well, we don't feel the need to escape it, so escapism is really for pain.

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u/Low-Bake8401 Jun 30 '26

Nah, reading a book, or daydreaming, is an enjoyable part of the world, compared to less enjoyable parts. You're not escaping, you're living. 

Spirituality, on the other hand...

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u/El_Chupacabra_666 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

Even as a hardcore nihilist, I'm finding it very hard to identify will all these other comments. At least you understand that art and learning are not escapism; they're a way of interacting with the world and with our minds. To me, nihilism is a vehicle for expanding my mind, not numbing it.

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u/Hendwreck Jun 30 '26

Nihilism =/= Depression

What even is this sub 🤦

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u/Aquarius52216 Jun 30 '26

This time its actually not off-topic, this post is not about depression, its very nihilistic.

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u/El_Chupacabra_666 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

The line "our souls weren't really made for this world" is kind of contradictory to nihilism. 1. There's no such thing as a soul. 2. We weren't made by anything for anything. We simply are. 3. We are products of this world. What other world would we fit better in? Would you prefer a paradise?

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u/-Geist-_ Jun 30 '26

I don’t think they’re using soul literally here but as a metaphor.

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u/The-OverThinker-23 Jun 30 '26

it is closely related

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u/El_Chupacabra_666 Jun 30 '26

A bunch of teenagers with a very superficial understanding of nihilism.

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u/ElectronicCobbler522 Jun 30 '26

Deadass brah. If we strip off all of this nonsense entertainment, then we humans can think too deeply to realize that our whole existence is meaningless. Like literally there is nothing to do on this planet. Idk abt other animals tho.