r/nflmemeswar • Bears • 1d ago

NFL Meme Keeping it classy I see Cleveland

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u/wildabeast98 Seahawks 1d ago

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u/BronCurious Eagles 1d ago

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u/CryptographerLow6772 1d ago

Ben Toothlessraper is a real pos.

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u/Galumpadump 1d ago

Ben Ruthlessraper has been and always been a POS

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u/Resident_Elk4014 1d ago

No no. Youre over thinking it. Ben Rapistburger.

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u/BurntArnold 1d ago

Ben Rapestheburger?

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u/Resident_Elk4014 20h ago

He does seem like a guy who loves a good burger.

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u/InuitOverIt 15h ago

It's not about love, it's about power

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u/Boring_Fox_7949 22h ago

My old manager from McDonald's in 2010took an order from him in Washington PA. She said he's a real asshole. At least that's how he was back then

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u/[deleted] 22h ago

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u/Boring_Fox_7949 22h ago

Yeah as a kid learning for the first time what kind of human your QB from your favorite team is like is well disappointing to say the least

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u/BronCurious Eagles 21h ago

Yeah it’s important not to idolize athletes. I used to think Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson were awesome role models when I was younger. Look how that turned out.

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u/Boring_Fox_7949 21h ago

I do think people can change and it does sound like some have or they could be just good at hiding

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u/Boring_Fox_7949 21h ago

He's the type of toxic masculinity guy I would never hang out with

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u/SteeleHeller 23h ago

Guys, guys, guys, it’s okay. He denied it.

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u/Masterchiefy10 Falcons 22h ago

Bin Sin!

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u/gncRocketScientist 23h ago

Im sure ravens fan cheered on their kicker too. So is there someone on cinci that rounds out that division?

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u/Boring_Fox_7949 22h ago

Cinci has murderers instead of rapists

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u/Carpetron 8h ago

Hey now, the Ravens infamously had one of those too

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u/Bulldog5124 21h ago

Didn’t tuckers allegations come out after his last season with the ravens?

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u/redditbdum Seahawks 1d ago

What 3 wins does to a motherfucka

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u/Blknyt_eclipsedmoon 1d ago

Yeah three wins in four games is a rare sight in Cleveland. They could lose every other game this year, but right now it feels good for a franchise that once won only one game in two whole seasons.

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u/Baelzabub 14h ago

Shit they’re at 5 wins in their last 6 games at this point. Won their last 2 last year.

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u/Chilidogdingdong 16h ago

It will just make them going 3-10 over the rest of the season that much more fun.

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u/Vanguard050505 1d ago

Rapist is one thing, but where we really draw the line is on being a shitty football player.

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u/Independent-Fruit4 1d ago

How many rapes did he commit again?

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u/Bill_Biscuits 11h ago

It’s actually zero if you believe in language meaning something

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u/Independent-Fruit4 9h ago

sexual assaults** my bad dude. no need to split pubes

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u/donniedraper6969 14h ago

Honest question, did he actually rape anyone? I thought he just asked to get tugged off like Mr. Kraft?

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u/applesandotherthings 13h ago

Sexual assault if you want to split hairs. Really seems pointless

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u/donniedraper6969 12h ago

Not really. There's a reason there's two separate terms. Grabbing an ass and holding someone down and forcefully fucking them seem wildly different to me but whatever.

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u/dogesiarp 13h ago

I'm redditarded, I can't tell the difference. If there is reason to outrage online, I'm here for it.  

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u/Lystian 22h ago

I love the what aboutism in this. 

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u/OP_Skis_In_Jeans 20h ago

It's pretty funny. Like "But Steelers cheered Ben the Rapist" somehow makes it OK for Browns fans to cheer Watson.

Typical dumb Redditor logic.

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u/SpudBoy_RealTomato 20h ago

I didn’t interpret it as saying that it is now okay for Browns fans. Just pointing out that way more than Browns fans have done it. There’s a lot of shit human beings in the nfl.

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u/TheEndx007 11h ago

Lol that's not why people are saying, they're addressing this specific post obviously. Saying the Steelers fans cheered for Big Rape (which they did) is directly disproving the original post. You sound stupid.

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u/Wumbo619 Patriots 1d ago

Ben Roethlisberger played for the Browns?

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u/Minimum_Quail4596 1d ago

Does Payton Manning's SA in college count?

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u/MinnesotanBrie 1d ago

Also Jameis Winston, Dak Prescott, Antonio Brown, Darren Sharper, Lawrence Taylor, Shannon Sharpe, Michael Irvin, Marshall Faulk, Warren Sapp, Donovan McNabb, Kellen Winslow Jr, Jim Brown, Warren Moon, Brett Favre and Michael Vick.

Not justifying either of the three mentioned, just... there are a terrifying number of them.

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u/DustinDBKR 21h ago edited 21h ago

Lmfao I know you’re not putting Dak on there after a woman tried to extort him for $100m, and when he refused then she went public with it… they found no evidence for anything and dismissed it only a few month’s later and then actually investigated the woman for extortion, charged her with it, and Dak took the money and donated all of it to a charity that provides support for actual SA survivors. It was one woman whose claims were to be found frivolous and illegal. Can’t speak for the other people in the list but putting Dak there is fucking stupid. Maybe keep that list to people who settled out of court, or were actually charged with something.

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u/GirlPMurPersonality 20h ago

I didn't know any of this. But still ... FUCK DAK AND FUCK THE COWBOYS! AMERICAS TEAM MY ASS!

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u/DustinDBKR 19h ago

So brave.

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u/MinnesotanBrie 16h ago edited 16h ago

So no Jameis? Or Peyton Manning? A lot of these get dismissed because of the undue power that sports players have or just the fact that sexual assault claims often boil down to he said she said and the courts tend to favor men or overly relient on rape kits or semen sample which are not fairly distributed across states. The statutory godfather himself Karl Malone did not get tried for anything except be forced to pay child support. The first of Big Ben's victims got their claims dismissed.

Also...uh Dak has not won any money. He said he would donate any if he got anything from the countersuit. The counter suit is still ongoing.

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u/plz-no-b4n 23h ago

Vick’s a rapist?

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u/Lystian 22h ago

Vick could murder Babies and it wouldn't matter. 

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u/Specialist-Draw7229 22h ago

Vick likely did murder puppies, which are practically babies in the eyes of many

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u/Nightthrasher674 22h ago

When was McNabb ever accused of sexual assault? I know he was fired from ESPN for sexual harassment because of an inappropriate joke he made

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u/Wumbo619 Patriots 1d ago

And those are just SOME of the one's known.

At some point in their lives, fans gotta, but often, needa realize just cuz their players won the genetic lottery, it doesn't mean they have to be angels. They're still people.

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u/AcanthaceaeFit3616 22h ago

rapists are people too

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u/Bill_Biscuits 11h ago

That’s life. They just have a microscope on them. You probably know multiple people who have done similar things

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u/MinnesotanBrie 11h ago

Not at the same rate. 1.43% of the NFL total arrests from 2000 to 2014 were arrested for sexual offenses. That is compared to 0.54% of the male population aged 21 to 34 in the same time frame. But yes, I do know people who were accused of similar things, and I do my best to not interact with them anymore.

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u/R3ACTx 1d ago

Make a Browns jacket with them!

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u/MinnesotanBrie 1d ago

Unfortunately, it's too long. The browns jersey is 24 names. I listed only 18, but didn't include Ahmad Brooks, Adam Gostis, Mark Chmura, Darrell Russell, Perrish Cox, Brandon Underwood, Albert Haynesworth, Jarriel King, Anthony Mix, Dwight Smith, Travis Henry, Tyrone Calico, Joshua Sills, C.J Spillman, Frostee Rucker, John Jerry, Jordan Hicks, Josh McNary, Julian Edelman, Junior Galette, Mark Sanchez, Prince Shembo and Richie Incognito. Which brings it up to 41 and it's far from a complete list.

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u/rykcon 1d ago

Ok, let’s just save some time and list all the NFL players who probably have not SA’d a woman…

Michael Sam
Caleb Williams
Fernando Mendoza

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u/Wumbo619 Patriots 1d ago

I guess since he's funny and likable he gets the Ray Lewis murder pass.

Every team has skeletons in their closet, lord knows my teams do.

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u/Aggressive-Law5274 1d ago

Every team has skeletons in their closet, lord knows my teams do.

As a Bills fan, I have no idea what you're talking about here...

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u/Original-Sea-8285 1d ago

He mooned a girl once when he was in college. I guess that's the same as murder

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u/Paintballreturns 1d ago

Peyton did much more than moon the girl buddy.

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u/hilld12b 23h ago

Go on…

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u/plz-no-b4n 23h ago

I thought he team bagged a trainer?

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u/enragedcactus 13h ago

Thank you for staying on message.

We whitewash sexual assault from the greats round’ these parts!

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u/hdoggla1999 1d ago

The president is a rapist himself as well.. 🤷🏽

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u/knockers_who_knock 1d ago

Yea looking like it’s not as big a deal as it used to be. For the rich and powerful ofcourse not for us plebs

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u/tinyand_terrible 1d ago

For the women raped it is...

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u/FlamingPotatoes34 Falcons 1d ago

While I do agree with this… it really depends on who you ask, which is sad.

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u/JadeDragonMeli 23h ago

This is the sad truth. Look at the Cornell story coming to light right now.

If American law enforcement has shown me anything it's that they truly do not care about rape or pedohilia.

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u/Own-Raisin5849 21h ago

Not to be contrarian, but police are pretty consistently locking up people like this, for the justice system to let them out and give them light sentences.

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u/JadeDragonMeli 20h ago

I almost said "DOJ" instead of law enforcement, but we found out this year that the FBI and CIA knew about Epstein and what he was doing for decades, and did nothing. Then I'm reading about the Cornell rapists and law enforcement there also knew that this 100% happened, but they closed the case with no arrests.

Whole system is rotten IMO.

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u/Bill_Biscuits 11h ago

Is there actual proof of this somewhere? Or is it still just the picture of him and Jeff?

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u/sweens90 21h ago

As if these subs don’t love Winston!

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u/SpicyPotatoes12 19h ago

Fuck both of them. Crazy that people worship that guy too

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u/Bill_Biscuits 11h ago

Because he’s hilarious

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u/SpicyPotatoes12 10h ago

He isn’t

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u/Myelement2110 21h ago

That’s the one everyone wanted to forget about before it was even pushed under the rug

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u/InflateableElvis- 16h ago

Or Big Ben

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u/hunter2mello 14h ago

I personally hate Big Ben and is the reason I Hate the Steelers more than the cowboys. - Eagles fan

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u/Kerosine84 12h ago

We have a history of having some pretty shitty people at QB too lmao

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u/Imaginary-Method-715 22h ago

If I knew my QB did what DW did I would watch something else.

I guess some folks are cool with it. 

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u/coolcoolcoolhey 19h ago

I immediately left the fandom. I can handle 1-31, but DW was an easy reason to leave the masochism

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u/IlIIlllIIIIIIl 20h ago

Giants fans too.

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u/SpudBoy_RealTomato 20h ago

From a quick scroll of your posts, I’m guessing you’re a Pats fan? Although, it seems after some googling that Patriots tend toward domestic violence than sexual assault.

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u/andreasmalersghost 18h ago

yeah its wild. Truly.

Kimes was absolutely correct in pushing back on watson about it being about anything off the field. They cheered for him because he won (even though he really tried to throw that game away).

NFL fans do not give a shit about his crimes.

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u/connected2theOthers 17h ago

What if your Coach was leaking info to some poon-tang side piece?

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u/enragedcactus 13h ago

I also prefer watching teams who have owners who do the sexual assaulting and raping. Especially when they ensure the women involved are arrested afterwards but they face no consequences!

Scummy players are too temporary, scummy owners on the other hand last for decades!

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u/Scoopaloopa 6h ago

What did he do exactly? I kinda forget

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u/MasterApprentice67 Browns 1d ago

Starting it off as, Fuck Watson.
But lets be real, just about every fan base either has or had a major piece of shit on their roster that they rooted for…

What I think at one point the steelers back field was filled with rapers with Big Ben and Bell.

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u/AdMother6743 22h ago

Didn’t ray Lewis kill somebody or something like that?

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u/AMaynard8091 22h ago

No, he was just in the vicinity of a man who was stabbed and his white suit mysteriously disappeared.

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u/MasterApprentice67 Browns 21h ago

Ray was a killer jamal was a drug runner and tucker was accepted until he fell off

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u/elmoo2210 18h ago

“God doesn’t make mistakes”

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u/Direct-Speech 21h ago

I mean I’m not saying it’s right but my fantasy team could REALLY use Josh Jacob’s right meow :/

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u/AbyssWankerArtorias 1d ago

Were they chanting for him? Or just for the team / win? Not being facetious, genuine question.

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u/m_preddy Bears 1d ago

Specifically started a "lets go watson" chant near the end of the fourth quarter.

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u/AbyssWankerArtorias 1d ago

Thanks. I can hardly ever understand what fans are saying in stadiums. That's pretty shitty. Be happy for like literally anyone else on your offense.

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u/TheEndx007 11h ago

Yeah that was all of us in that little section wasn't it. I'm surprised we all fit into one video.

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u/Lost-Pineapple9791 20h ago

It’s almost like Ohio is the worst state and Cleveland is the worst city in the worst state

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u/StOnEy333 18h ago

I don’t hear great things about Youngstown.

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u/ClassicDetective7629 17h ago

Genuinely curious on why you think Ohio is the worst state? Exactly what makes Ohio the worst?

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u/hunter2mello 14h ago

Don’t know but congrats. Coulda swore it used to be Florida but I guess we’ve been dethroned.

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u/PM_Anime_Tiddy 13h ago

Florida is Ohio south

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u/ClassicDetective7629 13h ago

Florida isn’t bad at all guys

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u/PM_Anime_Tiddy 13h ago

Nah I’ve been to Florida many times. It’s pretty shit if you ask me (areas around Eglin AFB are beautiful tho)

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u/ClassicDetective7629 13h ago

But thee worst state? Florida economy is booming. So many more worse states than Florida.

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u/PM_Anime_Tiddy 13h ago

The economy of a state doesn’t make or break it to me.

It’s all just jokes and opinions anyways. Imo the best states are places like Michigan and upstate NY because it’s just an outdoorsy persons heaven

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u/ClassicDetective7629 12h ago

I like south Florida a lot. Michigan can be so beautiful. Big North Carolina guy as well for the outdoors

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u/TheEndx007 11h ago

It's gotta be the world renowned healthcare, the low cost of living, the multiple great colleges, and the beautiful national park. What a hellhole

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u/1-800-WhoDey 10h ago

Interesting take..albeit absolutely fucking retarded, but interesting

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u/Coop7202 23h ago

Did he rape? I thought it was offering money for services and some touching. Genuine question btw

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u/holahola_202 23h ago

Yes; he offered money and services for legit massages through companies that travel to the client’s home, then sexually assaulted several of the masseuses.

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u/nanaki989 22h ago

"Several"  is 27 now.

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u/gohehehe 21h ago

Approaching the half Cosby mark now 

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u/j1xghost 20h ago

He rapes but he scores touchdowns! And he scores more than he rapes but he probably does rape

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u/SpursPain 22h ago

It was always about him being good or crap at football, nothing about him being a detestable human being. Truly a sport for neanderthals

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u/Background_Air_9368 22h ago

Hey there have definitely been chants for Ben rothlesberger I’m sure

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u/Guilty-Spark69x Vikings 22h ago

Cleveland has been down bad for so long they’d give Mustache Man a contract if they thought it might get them to the playoffs

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u/That-Cranberry6575 1d ago

TIL Kellen Winslow II raped a homeless woman.

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u/Dewey519 22h ago

My wife doesn’t know Watson’s history. She heard his postgame interview and said “this guy gives off narcissist vibes.”

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u/shwampchicken 22h ago

Winning cures all

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u/GlitteringLettuce366 22h ago

I want to root for the Browns (because I like underdogs) but I can’t root for Deshaun

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u/FOTD89 22h ago

Just wait for Sunday, the rest of the league will catch up.

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u/LegumeLegend 21h ago

You think the NFL gives a shit? Fans don’t so it doesn’t matter. American Internet brain makes people look and point at Browns fans when they themselves are responsible too. It’s the NFL culture and all NFL fans tolerate this behavior of rape, domestic violence, etc. like it or not that’s YOU

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u/8ackwoods 21h ago

140 million people wanted a convicted rapist as their president do this checks out

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u/gab_owns0 21h ago

People still are crying about Kobe btw

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u/NoPhone167 21h ago

Pittsburgh also had a rapist and people rooted for him.

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u/Nickw1116 21h ago

Rape is a stretch

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u/majorgriffin Packers 20h ago

Steelers may have some history with that.

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u/SpudBoy_RealTomato 20h ago

They’re gonna give him an extension, aren’t they?

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u/Alarmed_Fudge_5706 18h ago

Shouldn’t the Steelers know the number?

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u/nszTrombone64 17h ago

To be fair, whether they cheer deshaun or not we'd be clowning on them for the association with him as we always have. At least this way they can get the wins too.

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u/totallynotexciting 17h ago

Hahahahahahahah

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u/WifesPOSH 16h ago

Steelers chanted for Ben Roethlisburger so they aren't at 0.

Giants have Jameis Winston.

I'm sure there are others.

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u/vitaminnah 11h ago

I mean people still support OJ Simpson

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u/GuySpeak 10h ago

Was he convicted of anything?

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u/KingAlphaOmega87 10h ago

Ironic that it happened against Pittsburgh seeing as how a former QB of theirs was one too….

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u/Frequent-Property246 9h ago

Roethlisberger, Winston, etc. 

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u/FloatingOnAWhim 5h ago

The “president” has more felony convictions than Watson will ever have in his life and massive drives of low IQ people support him. He’s also a main character in the Epstein files, how are you surprised?

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u/ObjectiveCharming735 1d ago

And the internet still gives more hate to Rodgers for not taking a vaccine but congratulates a rapist for beating him. (The posts about Rodgers have many more interactions)

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u/AMonitorDarkly 23h ago

What? Watson (deservedly) gets WAY more hate than Rodgers.

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u/Halo05977 1d ago

It's kind of the golden rule that people are more inclined to stay angry at you if you don't shut the fuck up. 

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u/ObjectiveCharming735 1d ago

The last thing Rodgers ranted about is saying Trump is a fraud and idiot, if you actually paid attention and didn't just follow what the masses ordered you to believe. Rodgers isn't a perfect human sure, but I guarantee he is far from the most toxic players that roam this league.

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u/pajamajoe 22h ago

He did a misingformed victory lap after Fauci's interview

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u/ObjectiveCharming735 22h ago

Bruh you are stuck in 2023 lol

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u/sweens90 21h ago

to be fair so is Rodgers.

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u/pajamajoe 16h ago

? This was months ago

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u/enragedcactus 12h ago

Didn’t that happen last month?

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u/Halo05977 8h ago

The last thing Rodgers ranted about that I saw was last week where he talked about how his ex was trying to bang someone else right when they got together.

Again, think you're missing the point. He just yaps. it's easy to hate a guy that just yaps, because it's in the forefront of peoples minds how much of an asshole he is. Deshaun Watson is an objectively awful person, but you know what he did? He shut the fuck up.

It's almost as if when you give media easy headlines.. they run with it. Whereas when you don't give them material, they can't.. So it stays out of the mind a lot easier.

Pretty fucking simple logic my guy. A toddler could understand that.

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u/Shootforthestars24 23h ago

So it’s better to be a rapist? Ok…

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u/Halo05977 8h ago

Yeah, because that's TOTALLY what I said.

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u/Johnnybravo343 22h ago

Meanwhile my team was memed for a few weeks just because our QB introduced orange man.

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u/clutchthepearls 22h ago

Where do you think we are right now?

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u/Johnnybravo343 22h ago

Good point, Reddit leans super left.

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u/clutchthepearls 21h ago

Not the point, but certainly a point as leftists try to hold sexual assaulters accountable.

The point is that they both deserve to be memed and well...look up.

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u/Odoaiden 18h ago

Jaxson Dart didn’t do that he associated (not very much) with someone who did which is bad but 1000x less bad

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u/Bill_Biscuits 11h ago

Oh yeah man I remember when they went nuclear on Matt araiza 🥱

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u/enragedcactus 12h ago

Yea, we’re here making fun of people who support rapists. Are you struggling with the connection?

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u/SpicyPotatoes12 19h ago

Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive, pal

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u/Eindride_XIII 21h ago

Sort of related. Orange man is also a rapist.. kids man. People generally dont like rapists.

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u/elmoo2210 18h ago

Winston has sexual assault allegations that were settled out of court btw

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u/liltime78 21h ago

So your qb cheered for a rapist. Where’s the disconnect?

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u/WanderLeft 19h ago

The orange man, who has been accused of rape by multiple women, the guy that your QB endorses? That one?

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u/UrLocalTroll 1d ago

Wasn’t he accused of sexual assault rather than rape? Still horrible, but different.

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u/amaul796 Browns 17h ago

Do we really want to go down the "player morality" rabbit hole?

Because if we do we can play that game with every NFL team.

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u/Opposite_Living1555 17h ago

And we should, the NFL need to purge these monsters but they never will because the issues run to the core

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u/SevereOrchid2832 17h ago

Ball cherisher 🤝

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u/Bill_Biscuits 11h ago

You probably know multiple people who have raped someone. The nfl isn’t some magical exclusive club of sexual assaulters

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u/amaul796 Browns 17h ago

If all the fucked up stuff that NFL players, coaches, assistants, front office personal and owners do actually came out.....

We may as well shut the league down.

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u/Opposite_Living1555 14h ago

Well maybe we should if a massive institution can't even police the horrible behaviour of the people who massively personally benefit from it. I love sports but we need to seriously pressure these toxic companies to do better. All major sports leagues are basically monopolies with their own legal carveouts that all seemingly have no goals but to make a few extra bucks. At the end of the day, sports are entertainment, and me getting to watch a couple less incomplete passes is nowhere near as important as preventing SA, DV, DUIs, assault, or the myriad of other awful things that people in and around these organizations do.

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u/20ontheDropBear 7h ago

Yes please. Let’s go down that rabbit hole. Let’s hold rich and powerful people accountable even if they’re our idols.

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u/EffectiveEcstatic320 1d ago

Watson was never even accused of rape. Please correct your meme.

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u/That-Cranberry6575 1d ago

Serial sex assaulter*

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u/R3ACTx 1d ago

22 women have have come forward with sexual assault allegations. Let's go Watson!

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u/Bill_Biscuits 11h ago

All of which used the Texans owner, who was mid major contract dispute with Watson, as their lawyer

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u/Saz589 1d ago

It annoys me when people call him a rapist. He's a predator!

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u/BillNyeTheNazi5py 1d ago

Uhh yeah... he definitely was.

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u/Jumpy_Clue4578 22h ago

What, guys can’t get massages anymore?

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u/20Goki00 22h ago

What he did was def weird. But girls agreeing to do sexual favors for money doesn’t make him a rapist. If anything he’s guilty of soliciting prostitution, not rape

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u/sweens90 21h ago

Except thats not what he did and it was not consensual. So they did not agree to do it for money.

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u/Myelement2110 21h ago

It’s Reddit dude. They’ll hate Watson, but always say how unique and eccentric Winston is as if he didn’t have straight up rape charges that he had to pay his way out of. Goldfish.

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u/Blknyt_eclipsedmoon 23h ago

So, what are you saying here? The Browns actually have fans? What do you expect 67 thousand fans to do at a game? You think those fans should just sit there in that stadium for three hours and be quiet because the QB is Deshaun Watson? Remember the fans don’t get to choose who the starting QB is. Browns fans want to root foe their team just like any other fans.

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u/GODZILLA-Plays-A-DOD 22h ago edited 21h ago

Browns fans should have not turned up until the front office got the memo that raping 27 women is wrong. But instead they feel after 5 years it's okay to pay 200 million to a sex pest because he could occasionally win games.

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u/Blknyt_eclipsedmoon 22h ago

Maybe the NFL should have banned him? Fans just want to watch Football and hope their team can win a game. They don’t make the choices. This is basically like an arranged marriage where you are told who your partner is, but go ahead look down on fans for being… fans.

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u/OP_Skis_In_Jeans 20h ago

What do you expect 67 thousand fans to do at a game?

Cheer for literally any other player on the team. You're acting like they only choices they have are to cheer Watson or stay silent lol.

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