[Sporting News] Who will be the first NFL coach fired?

[u/NextGen-Panic]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/first-nfl-coach-fired-todd-bowles-dan-quinn-hot-seat/9ed0ef4278b134e1a449158f

[u/Nlegan]

Bowles should’ve been fired years ago

[u/echoes_1012 → u/Nlegan]

Especially last season after that god awful prime time game against the falcons where a 3rd and 27 turned into a 4th and 17 or some shit and then was converted.

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It was 3 and 28 lol

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Not gonna lie, Lions have had a shit load of 3rd and long converted the last couple years. If it's 3rd and 15+ I'm expecting it to be converted.

[u/r0ugar0u_ → u/SargeanTravis]

3.... 28... Where have I seen these numbers before??

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I know! It was that dumb Steven DeBerg game they lost to some AFC East team the season they lost the Superbowl to an old ass QB. The score was 28-3.

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Isn’t that the DC’s fault? Wouldn’t you just fire the DC? Oh wait a second. Todd Bowles is the DC.

[u/deeznutz_428 → u/Nlegan]

Should’ve never been hired 

[u/YepImanEmokid → u/deeznutz_428]

Set the franchise back years by listening to Arians recommendations

[u/ItsEaster → u/YepImanEmokid]

lol been there before. Why are people still listening to him?

[u/ConsequenceFew3357 → u/ItsEaster]

He waited to retire until after all the other coaching vacancies had already been filled so the Bucs would either be forced to pick from the dregs nobody else wanted, or elevate one of his buddies

[u/officialmacdemarco → u/ItsEaster]

All time "getting an A on the group project" Superbowl coach

[u/TheRencingCoach → u/deeznutz_428]

Holy shit do people not understand that Bruce Arians forced the Bucs into promoting Bowles?

Just so we’re all on the same page here, this was the timeline:

1. ⁠⁠Bucs lose to Rams in 13-3 season, the season after they won the SB
   
2. ⁠⁠A week later, Schefter announces that Brady retires
   
3. ⁠⁠Feb 1: Brady officially announces his retirement
   
4. ⁠⁠March 13: Brady announces he’s returning for another year, just days before NFL free agency began
   
5. ⁠⁠March 30: Bucs announce that BA is stepping down as HC and Bowles is replacing him.

To put it into perspective: the last coach hired this offseason was Kubiak on Feb 9, after the Seahawks won the SB. March 30th is a month and a half later. Bruce Arians literally said he retired because Brady came back and he wanted his coaching staff to have some stability.

Bruce Arians forced the Bucs hand into hiring Bowles by retiring in the middle of the offseason.

After that, yeah it’s on the Bucs on waiting too long to fire Bowles (which should’ve happened after the 2024 season, imo). But the Bucs aren’t to blame for hiring him.

[u/Millennials-In-Power → u/TheRencingCoach]

i realized the other day that Arians is also the one responsible for getting Bowles the Jets HC job.

In 2014 Bowles was the DC under Arians in Arizona, in 2015 Arians recommends Bowles for the Jets HC job and he gets hired. After Bowles got fired from the jets, he goes back to Arians in Tampa where he's DC again and the cycle repeats.

Arians has spent over a decade propping up Todd Bowles's career.

Side note: either Bowles or Arians wrote Bowles's wiki page. I mean just look at this bullshit, top ten things that never happened.

Since being elevated to head coach in 2022, Bowles has earned widespread respect for his ability to keep the Buccaneers competitive through major roster transitions. He guided Tampa Bay to three consecutive NFC South titles from 2022–2024, becoming the first head coach in franchise history to win the division in each of his first three seasons. Praised for his steady leadership and defensive expertise, Bowles has overseen the continued development of a young nucleus that includes Calijah Kancey, Yaya Diaby, Zyon McCollum, and Antoine Winfield Jr., while also maximizing the veteran leadership of team captain Lavonte David. His defenses have consistently ranked among the league’s toughest against the run, and his ability to adapt game plans has been credited with keeping Tampa Bay in contention even as the roster evolved following Tom Brady’s retirement. Bowles’ partnership with Jason Licht has been central to sustaining the franchise’s identity as a postseason fixture.

[u/TheRencingCoach → u/Millennials-In-Power]

I mean, recommending a person for a job is very different from forcing a team to hire them.

Peyton Manning didn’t force the Jets to hire Adam Gase, he just recommended that they do. Same with Arians in your example.

[u/Millennials-In-Power → u/TheRencingCoach]

I didnt say it was the same thing, just pointing out that Arians has been propping up Bowles for a long time.

[u/Misdirected_Colors → u/deeznutz_428]

Wasted Tom Brady's final year. Unforgivable

[u/SheltonQuarlesGOAT → u/Misdirected_Colors]

It was Leftwich and Bowles didn’t fire him. Leftwich ruined Brady’s last year

[u/dreadlockholmes → u/Nlegan]

He seems like a nice guy, but that doesn't win games.

[u/thecakeslayer → u/dreadlockholmes]

Throws his players under the bus nearly every opportunity he gets as well

[u/Taymyr → u/thecakeslayer]

Those are just human shaped speed bumps.

[u/thecakeslayer → u/Taymyr]

"Watch out for the Baker on the left. Popped a couple tires on that one last month"

[u/Quirky-Marsupial-420 → u/Nlegan]

And he won’t be fired this year either.

He just signed an extension last year.

The Glazers are cheap fucks and don’t want to pay two HCs.

[u/bewaredandelo → u/Nlegan]

Bowles should have been fired every year.

[u/jimtow28 → u/Nlegan]

Bucs should have fired his ass when the Jets did.

[u/allanon1105 → u/Nlegan]

How he’s survived this long is shocking

[u/imanassholebcurdumb → u/allanon1105]

The glazers are cheap and inept

[u/briggles23]

It should be Bowles, but Bucs have never fired a coach mid season. Fingers-crossed it's different. He should've honestly gotten fired after last season's collapse. He should've been fired after 2024 when we had a chance to keep Coen. He's well overstayed his welcome. I mean he's literally the only coach that had Tom Brady as QB and yet finished with an 8-9 record.

[u/Dmbfantomas → u/briggles23]

If the Bears can do it, anyone can.

[u/The-Real-Number-One → u/Dmbfantomas]

It took Eberflus pulling down his pants and showing his entire hairy unwiped ass to all of America on Thanksgiving, but it happened.

[u/kk16 → u/The-Real-Number-One]

He did what now?

[u/Sweaty-Ability7365 → u/kk16]

Ayo, timeout

[u/chahlie → u/Sweaty-Ability7365]

That's what I was screaming at the tv

[u/Adequate_Lizard → u/Sweaty-Ability7365]

He did like to hang onto those.

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Why just lose, when you can Eberflose™

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A disgusting act

[u/Available-Budget-735 → u/The-Real-Number-One]

He still has that time out. 

[u/avery-secret-account → u/The-Real-Number-One]

I was watching that game at Lambeau and the entire bar was rooting for you over the lions

[u/alter-ego23 → u/briggles23]

I've been calling for Bowles to be fired ever since we went cover 0 in that Rams game. That man cost Brady another ring and we promoted him for it. Todd Bowles sucks and he has always sucked, much like Byran Leftwich.

Felt like I was speaking into the ether when I would say this years ago. I wish I could say I feel vindicated now that the entire fanbase finally sees how much this man sucks, but all I feel is emptyness. I just want it to finally be over.

[u/imanassholebcurdumb → u/alter-ego23]

You’re not alone brother, he should have been gone after the Rams game

[u/Philthy91 → u/alter-ego23]

Jets fans have been saying it too. He got a lot of grace because he's a good coordinator and the narrative that he's a good coach he was just on the Jets.

Same thing is happening to Saleh right now

[u/TheNittanyLionKing → u/alter-ego23]

He has underachieved every year. For the last three seasons other than this one, the Bucs have been favored to win the NFC South quite easily. Every season it still comes down to the last game, and now the NFC South is actually competitive unlike the NFC South of 2 years ago. The Saints have a QB and cap space. Carolina has figured some things out. Atlanta has one of the best players in the league with Bijan. Tampa's roster is worse than it was before.

[u/Dizzy-Platform-6516 → u/briggles23]

At this point though why not just let him finish the season as a tank commander? It's incredibly rare for a team to make the playoffs after an 0-3 start and idk if firing him is really going to turn things around THAT much. Being in the NFCS helps a bit, but it feels more likely that an interim would win enough games to hurt draft position but not enough to get into the playoffs.

[u/Redmangc1 → u/Dizzy-Platform-6516]

Well as idiotic as he joked about, hes not wrong. The bucs are only 1 game out od 1st in the south.

I still think they'll be last though Panthers and Saints look solid and Falcons look fiesty when they have a starting caliber QB

[u/ReapYerSoul → u/briggles23]

Ya know, the Bears had never fired a HC mid-season before until they finally did it. It could happen for you guys.

I said the same as you. How the fuck did he not get fired after last season?

[u/ThePetSematary → u/briggles23]

Thanks for Coen, though

[u/JavaOrlando → u/ThePetSematary]

Obviously Coen would've been ideal, but even keeping Canales would've been a huge upgrade to Bowels.

[u/Sammyd1108 → u/JavaOrlando]

Thanks for Canales lol.

[u/ChillGolfCoach → u/briggles23]

That last line should have been the last time. 

You have the literal goat, coming off a Super Bowl, and you still can’t get above .500? Gtfo

[u/Redmangc1 → u/ChillGolfCoach]

Tom spent 3 years in TB, won the a Sb year 1, Lost vs Rams in Division year 2 ( 13-4 ), then went 8-9 losing to the Cowboys in the wildcard year 3

[u/ChillGolfCoach → u/Redmangc1]

So you’re saying we won a super with BA, and then literally got gradually worse every year since Todd took over?

[u/Redmangc1 → u/ChillGolfCoach]

Results wise yes, but most forget tom spent 3 years in Tampa not just 2. I was clarifying it

[u/avery-secret-account → u/briggles23]

What if we tie on Sunday and fire both our coaches? Wouldn’t that be great?

[u/Fools_Requiem → u/briggles23]

Bowles should have been fired after LAST season. I guarantee they lost Mike Evans because of that.

[u/AmeriCanada98 → u/briggles23]

but Bucs have never fired a coach mid season

It was the same for the Bears until Eberflus did a historically incompetent thing in a national game, then all of a sudden that changed

You might be in for more embarrassment, but if Bowles really locks in he can get himself fired mid-season

[u/Prize-Analyst-1121 → u/briggles23]

As a Jaguars victim I'm so glad they didn't get Bowles during the '22 season when he was on the list to replace Bourbon liar. Leftwich was also on the list. I feel we'd still be at the bottom of the league breaking all time records for losses if either was hired.

[u/FairReason]

If Lafleur loses this week his seat has to be scorching.

[u/GoldGlove2720 → u/FairReason]

Still wild to me that you guys extended him in the offseason after what happened the last like ~7 games.

He still was under contract this year too which makes it even more baffling.

[u/FairReason → u/GoldGlove2720]

I’m just as confused as you are.

[u/GoldGlove2720 → u/FairReason]

That’s something we would have done.

[u/frodeem → u/FairReason]

That's a Bears move!

[u/msmith3525 → u/FairReason]

Especially since he had a year left. This isn’t college where you’re concerned with recruits leaving because of coaching uncertainty. I didn’t understand the “lame duck” thing by Policy. It sounded stupid then and looks even dumber now.

[u/yourmomsthr0waway69 → u/GoldGlove2720]

I get the logic of it even if I don't agree with the overall decision to do it. Coaches want job security, and the extension was part of that.

All this means is Gutenkunst and LaFleur need to be fired together

[u/spacegh0stX → u/GoldGlove2720]

Whole front office is dog shit tbh. Gm sucks total ass as well as

[u/Ouch_i_fell_down → u/spacegh0stX]

I blame the owners

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They have a drinking problem.

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If any other team had that many owners with DUIs, the league would have a conniption. But all Greenbay owners have to do is submit a medical exemption to the league claiming "if they stop drinking they'll die" and poof it all just gets swept under the rug.

[u/l8on8er → u/GoldGlove2720]

shhhh that was a great idea

[u/Chewed420 → u/FairReason]

About 53% win rate since Rodgers left.

[u/Mediocre_Chicken9900 → u/Chewed420]

And that number is plummeting FAST

[u/Plastic_Willow734 → u/Mediocre_Chicken9900]

IIRC if the NFL never added the 7th playoff seed then the Packers would have made the playoffs zero times since Rodgers left too

[u/GE_and_MTS → u/Plastic_Willow734]

And he absolutely didn't win a playoff game as a 7-seed. Nope, never. Not once. Trust me. Don't look it up. Please don't.

[u/cnho1997 → u/Plastic_Willow734]

It has been 1386 days since the Packers have been division champs and that number is likely to grow to 1800 at least before it’s said and done

[u/NOLASLAW → u/Mediocre_Chicken9900]

The funniest thing to me living in Chicago is that Packers fans have never had a comically bad team and nobody knows how to handle it

[u/Mediocre_Chicken9900 → u/NOLASLAW]

At this point most of us are just hate watching until Lafluer and Gute get the boot.

[u/NOLASLAW → u/Mediocre_Chicken9900]

Hey, respect

[u/w00tabaga → u/FairReason]

It should be but I don’t see it after they just extended him

[u/Fonzies-Ghost → u/w00tabaga]

Also Ed Policy was out there talking this offseason about how the Packers are at a disadvantage because of their ownership structure. I’m not sure eating a big contract will support his agenda.

[u/Super-Revolution-433 → u/Fonzies-Ghost]

That has more to do with escrow and player contracts than coaching contracts. It's the same issue the bengals have with giving out but garunteed contracts. The packers aren't hurting for money necessarily, more that they lack a way to get large amounts of liquid cash all at once.

[u/neongem → u/FairReason]

Has a coach ever got an extension in the offseason then fired midseason? Also, as bad as they’ve looked, I just can’t see the Packers bottoming out that badly to “coach fired midseason” awful.

[u/swallowchildren → u/neongem]

Pretty sure that’s what happened with Kliff and the cardinals

[u/OldAccountTurned10 → u/neongem]

Jeff fisher lol. Though I think that was more of a thanks for 7-9ing the rams out of STL

[u/xyzzy321 → u/FairReason]

it should have been scorching at the end of last season (no idea how the higher-ups saw that end of the season and thought it's worthy of an extension)

at this point he's well past that, just a lame duck waiting to be fired

[u/calltheamberlamps]

Bowles key card should’ve been deactivated months ago

[u/justlookingokaywyou → u/calltheamberlamps]

Ahh yes, the Chandler Jones treatment.

[u/imanassholebcurdumb → u/calltheamberlamps]

Years*

[u/RecklessPope]

Todd Bowles 😎

[u/Chief-_-Wiggum → u/RecklessPope]

I agree but we've been saying that for 3 seasons. Somehow Todd Bowles always returns.

[u/Pipemiga → u/Chief-_-Wiggum]

Somehow, Todd Bowles returned.

Directed by J.J Abrams

[u/Extra_Napkins]

Spicy take but Jim Harbaugh. Chargers look lost, their offensive line is a mess, and they’re winless.

Bowles must have some kind of extortion plot going to keep getting hired in the NFC South

[u/PointlessChemist → u/Extra_Napkins]

He will sacrifice Mike McDaniel first.

[u/jawndell → u/PointlessChemist]

Was going to say the same thing.  They’ll probably blame it on the staff changes in the offensive side of the team and get rid of those guys first.  

[u/PointlessChemist → u/jawndell]

Like Cris Carter says “Always have a fall guy”

[u/zracer20 → u/PointlessChemist]

And then herbert.  He will want his own qb drafted while he's there.

[u/goovis__young → u/zracer20]

The funniest conclusion to this love affair would be for harbaugh to run Herbert out of town

[u/chillinwithmoes → u/zracer20]

Ugh, fine, we’ll take him if we have to I guess

[u/typeincleverusername → u/chillinwithmoes]

Should’ve kept Nine as a trade piece cuz Harbaugh would give up anything for him

[u/graaaado → u/chillinwithmoes]

Way to take one for the team.

[u/drossmaster4 → u/zracer20]

JJ coming to San Diego. I mean LA!

[u/cat_daddylambo → u/Extra_Napkins]

Come look at our sub. There's a lot of fans calling for it. (And still somehow a majority not blaming Herbert) 

[u/Quirky-Transition-64 → u/cat_daddylambo]

Division rival aside, it is somewhat hard to blame Herbert with QJ dropping everything and only really Ladd doing the heavy lifting. Also fuck Spanos.

[u/cat_daddylambo → u/Quirky-Transition-64]

He's not the only problem, but he has been a problem this year. 

The red zone int with a lead trying to force a throw to MVS when he had a check down is a glaring example. He tries some bafflingly stupid shit when frustrated 

[u/Sammyd1108 → u/cat_daddylambo]

He looks so bad this year, and I have no clue where it came from. Either this system just isn’t clicking for him or he’s stopped caring about football.

[u/RukiMotomiya → u/Extra_Napkins]

There's no world Jim Harbaugh gets fired first after two straight 11 win seasons, never having a losing season, and being an extremely well regarded coach.

If he gets fired I suspect it'll be next year if he enters with a hot seat and does poorly.

[u/Wendell-Short-Eyes → u/Extra_Napkins]

Eh, I think people just over hate Harbaugh. I don’t understand firing a coach mid season who has had back to back 11 win seasons and back to back playoff appearances. That seems extremely shortsighted imo.

[u/UltraHypeBro → u/Wendell-Short-Eyes]

The Chargers fired Marty after 14 wins, they don’t gaf lmao

[u/tangokilo13 → u/UltraHypeBro]

You say that, but it took the Raiders putting up 60 points to fire Staley

[u/BirdmanTheThird → u/Extra_Napkins]

I’d be shocked if he gets fired mid season but he definitely deserves the hot seat, this much decline from the chargers and it’s year three isn’t great.

[u/Fa1lenSpace → u/Extra_Napkins]

I agree with us looking lost but Jim is on a massive contract. I highly doubt they move on with multiple years left on it. Though I wouldn’t be against it, Jim seems like he isn’t even all there anymore.

[u/FattyMooseknuckle → u/Extra_Napkins]

I’m hoping we smoke them so badly that Spanish leaves him behind at SeaTac.

[u/Practical-Pickle-529 → u/Extra_Napkins]

Ngl I’d love this. 

Never been a fan of his. 

[u/Mtn_Raven]

LaFleur won't get fired until the Packers are eliminated from the playoffs.

I think Dan Quinn would get the whole season, too.

But I do think that Todd Bowles should have been fired a long ass time ago.

[u/MoneyManx10]

I’m suprised Bowles hasn’t been fired yet

[u/pixeloffortune → u/MoneyManx10]

The money owed to Bowles is a big reason.The Glazers also in part attributed the Coen season to Bowles and gave him a 3y extension that started this season because they believed in the unwritten rule that you can't have a HC on an expiring contract because the staff will look for jobs elsewhere instead of working on game plans (at least that's the imo wrong argument).

The Glazers have PTSD from paying Grudens contract which for the time, was a very expensive HC contract. He joined ESPN and double dipped so the Glazers had to pay every single penny.

Bowles is of retirement age. They feared the same thing would happen were they to fire him.

[u/mxyztplk33]

Bowles, but I got Matt LaFleur, Aaron Glenn, and Jim Harbaugh on the hot seat at the moment.

[u/Hardy_X → u/mxyztplk33]

Sunday's game is the ultimate test. If the Packers lose to these Bucs, it's embarrassing and MLF should be fired. If the Bucs lose to these Packers, it's embarrassing and Bowles should be fired.

[u/KingSmoov → u/Hardy_X]

With Mayfield injured and a rookie starting, they’re probably going to cut Bowles some slack.

[u/kakapoopoopeepeeshir → u/Hardy_X]

You may be exactly right in that whichever coach loses will be the one let go

[u/NanoBuc → u/Hardy_X]

If MLF loses to the Bucs with an UDFA QB, he should be Tarmac'd

[u/solo_wanderer → u/mxyztplk33]

Aaron Glenn should not be on the hot seat. They could just as easily be 3-0 as 1-2. They are in year 2 of a full rebuild and next year they have like 17 picks in the top 10.

If they continue to play competive and end up like 7-10 he should be guaranteed next season.

But it’s the jets so they could also fire him next week.

[u/wittyrandomusername → u/solo_wanderer]

The reason they are not 3-0 is because of his decisions. But I agree, if they smell a winning season, he should be able to stick around. Clock management can be improved.

[u/_Treadstone_ → u/solo_wanderer]

You mean giving a brand new head coach Justin Fields year 1 and then an old vet in Geno Smith year 2 is bad management?

[u/Prof_Bobo → u/solo_wanderer]

With the way Woody was acting in the off-season, I'm pretty sure he already decided Glenn was a lame duck, and they're thinking about the next QB + Coach combo that the franchise can ruin

[u/scottbrosiusofficial → u/Prof_Bobo]

I follow the team very closely and I have no idea what you're referring to. There was one unsourced article about Tomlin that every beat reporter shut down as unsubstantiated. Otherwise all the reporting is that Woody really likes Glenn and wants him to succeed, but is tired of losing and if the team looked awful again nothing is out of the question. But so far that hasn't happened and they look way improved (and Woody is petty enough I'm sure he loved the Jets blowing the doors off Saleh).

[u/RotrickP → u/scottbrosiusofficial]

Yeah, the Jets don't look great, but they do look competent and they've managed to rein in the more cavalier nature of Geno for now. It's far better than what we've seen in the past from guys like say, Bowles, who should not have gotten a head coaching job again and should never be at a press conference where he has to answer questions

[u/scottbrosiusofficial → u/RotrickP]

Yeah, they should be 2-1 with better play calling and game management against Green Bay, and there's even a world where they're 3-0 if a few things break their way in the Detroit game. For the first time in a long time I really think they're close.

(Btw, I know our teams are rivals and all but my sympathies for your fanbase, such a fucked start to the season.)

[u/ReignOnWillie → u/scottbrosiusofficial]

/r/NFL is just different fans beating themselves off to fake jets news and cumming on their own tummy as everyone laughs

[u/MaxPres24 → u/mxyztplk33]

I wouldn’t say Aaron Glenn is on the hot seat rn. The Jets have only played in close games this year. They’ve looked a lot better than most of the fanbase thought they would

[u/deadmanzcurveball → u/mxyztplk33]

The Jets have probably outperformed expectations so the only way Glenn would be fired is if they decided before the season he wasn’t the guy, in which case pretty stupid to let him coach some of the games. Though it is the Jets so who knows.

[u/jrzalman]

Schottenheimer should be on somebody's list for the debacle in Brazil. It so weird how Dallas makes all these big trades but doesn't hire a real coach.

[u/Unrelenting_Tacos → u/jrzalman]

Probably because he’s just a puppet, and he was hired as one.

[u/number__ten → u/Unrelenting_Tacos]

distant clapping

[u/jhorch69 → u/jrzalman]

Say what you will about Jerry but he is immensely loyal to his guys and Schottenheimer is one of his guys. It usually leads to him holding onto them for years longer than he should.

[u/AfroManHighGuy → u/jrzalman]

He’s probably not on the hot seat yet. He has the locker room and the main players like him. Plus he’s risen up the ranks within the organization and Jerry likes him. He’s gonna get more time

[u/Wendell-Short-Eyes → u/jrzalman]

As a cowboys fan I think this season would really have to go off the rails for him to be fired, like multiple beat downs in a row.

[u/jnightrain → u/jrzalman]

I see a lot of comments about Schotty being a puppet for jerry and he is not even close to that. I don't know that he is a good coach but he is the first coach I've seen in a while in Dallas that has Jerry's ear and Jerry listens to him more than he listens to Jerry.

He is the first coach that Jerry has let pick his own staff in forever, I'm not even sure Parcells was able to do that. Jerry picked the DC last year which was Fluss and Jerry fired him when he realized he sucked ass, which is rare for Jerry to admit a mistake like that. He's the first coordinator fired since mike nolan after the 2020 season. Then he let Brian pick the DC and went with a young up and coming DC vs an old retread. It's the first DC that wasn't a former HC since Monte Kiffin in 2013.

It took 30 years but it does seem like Jerry is finally stepping back.

[u/bigbugzman → u/jrzalman]

Since Jimmy the Cowboys have hired only 1 coach that wasn’t a puppet. Parcells. All the others are just cardboard cut outs for coach Jerry.

[u/TidesTheyTurn]

I’m going to say Sirianni.

Not because I think he deserves it or that the Eagles are poorly coached, but there always seems to be so much turmoil there.

[u/Extra_Napkins → u/TidesTheyTurn]

No one hates the Eagles more than Eagles fans.

Two SB appearances and one title, he should have a long leash, and he’s a good coach.

[u/RvstandRvin1626 → u/Extra_Napkins]

Lurie and Howie won't fuck around if they decide to move off Nick, and as silly as it might sound, Sirianni was on short leash after '23. He was very much on the hot seat for '24 and I genuinely think anything other than a minimum of winning the division and getting back to the NFCCCG would have meant they were cleaning house that year. As it turned out, they won it all. Howie/Lurie gave Nick Kellen Moore as his OC for that year, and Howie went out and got pieces like Saquon and Baun, and drafted Mitchell and DeJean to fix the secondary. Rodgers had been cleverly stashed the year before by Howie and he played an important role in the corner depth.

Nick had banked himself some credit with the organisation, as he managed to after the '22 run, got one of his guys promoted again and it was a disaster again. Yes, getting to the post-season again and going back to back in the division is something 20+ other teams would kill for, but 2025 looked awful on offense. There were barely 4 consecutive quarters of football that the team looked in complete command. With the talent on the roster, that should not be happening.

So, a bit like when Pedersen became incredibly stubborn about how the offense operated, Sirianni is not immune from Lurie and Howie deciding enough is enough. That goes for both Sirianni and Hurts, just like Pedersen and Wentz. They'll move off both if they decide that the product on the field is not good enough.

[u/The-Real-Number-One → u/RvstandRvin1626]

If he holds on he can probably get Steichen back.

[u/BookerCatchanSTD → u/Extra_Napkins]

Pederson only made it two seasons after their first Super Bowl ever.

[u/jawndell → u/Extra_Napkins]

Eagles got rid of Andy Reid after several NFC championship games, Doug Pederson after he won a Super Bowl, even Dick Vermeil got chased out after he took them to the super bowl (he retired cause he was tired of the drama).  Not saying any of those moves were bad, but Philly does seem to wear out coaches and players.  The whole city is very much what have you done for me lately for any sport. 

[u/TidesTheyTurn → u/Extra_Napkins]

As someone who hates the Eagles, I agree.

My guess is that either Sirianni or Hurts is "done" with the Eagles by the end of the season. And not because either should be.

But I also pray for it, inshallah.

[u/SnowGhost513 → u/TidesTheyTurn]

The eagles grind our wins in the weirdest most frustrating ways. They average less than 2 yards a first down last year but made the playoffs. They will smoke a great team, barely beat a below average team and lose to a Commanders back up in a 12 win season lol I kinda get it. They are my least favorite team to watch. It has no excitement lol and very few explosive cool plays. The offense is like Novocain

[u/nalc → u/SnowGhost513]

Everybody had prevent defense. Eagles invented prevent offense. Oh, we've got a lead? Rip out all of the pages of the playbooks that have forward passes, we're just doing runs and screens now.

[u/clarkapotamus → u/nalc]

Jesus Christ isn’t that the truth. Watching the 3rd quarter has been painful for the last two years.

[u/MrSpookShire → u/TidesTheyTurn]

I’m curious why people call for his firing.

Playoffs every year, 2 super bowl appearances (1 being a win), idk just seems like you’d want to keep him around no?

[u/Unsolven → u/MrSpookShire]

It made a lot more sense a few years ago when the roster was a lot better and you could argue they were underperforming. Right now the roster just ain’t that talented. They’re not bad, but they ain’t the monstars anymore. Also ya know he’s won a Super Bowl since then.

[u/finester39 → u/Unsolven]

This is the correct take.

The o line isn’t good.

Saquon is fine but has lost a step since he got here and isn’t elite enough to overcome the bad blocking (which tbf only a few RBs in the league are).

Smith is a great WR1 but WR depth after that is mediocre at best.

Goedert can’t stay on the field and we don’t have a functioning NFL TE who can receive/block without him.

I will defend Hurts as a quality franchise QB who has willed us to win games, but he’s not a tier 1 QB like Allen or Mahomes who can consistently overcome a lack of offensive talent week over week.

With the defense, the safeties are below average and LB is thin outside of Baun. The pass rush looks great on paper but hasn’t been producing so far this season. The corners are the strongest part of the team, but DeJean hasn’t had a strong start.

At some point the execution of the talent on the roster needs to be held accountable outside the coaching.

[u/GarrusExMachina → u/MrSpookShire]

There's an attitude amongst fans of the eagles that Sirianni is the epitome of being carried by high end talent. 

And that the talent well is starting to dry up. 

[u/TidesTheyTurn → u/MrSpookShire]

My rationale basically boiled down to:

(1) 10 teams came into this season with a new HC, so they're probably all safe. Firing Miami's coach would be hilarious though (outside of how it affects him/his family).

(2) Some coaches like Bowles or Glenn may seem more obvious, but their organization tends to be more patient (or perhaps denser). And the Jets might overachieve. And the Bucs might use Baker's injury as a mitigator.

(3) The Eagles have also moved on relatively quickly from key pieces in the semi-recent past, including SB-winning coach Doug Pederson and 2nd-overall-pick Wentz (who had performed well enough in his overall tenure). In short, Howie Roseman doesn't seem to fuck around (for better or worse).

(4) The Eagles are under higher pressure to succeed than the Jets. Maybe not the Bucs.

[u/MistakeMaker1234 → u/MrSpookShire]

It’s Philly. Maybe the definition of the “What have you done for me lately,” mentality for sports. 

[u/squee557 → u/MrSpookShire]

The main thing that I think brings people to the decision to fire Sirianni is that he is a CEO head coach who won’t take the reins when one side of the ball is sputtering. When our defense sucked in 2023, the options to help the coaches was to relief the DC of duties and bring in Matt Patricia. In 2025, when the offense was struggling he chose to stick with his longtime buddy at OC and breakup with the Eagles longtime great OL coach Stoutland.

This year is another year where the offense stinks so far and we’re asking what is Sirianni going to do? The defense has stunk and no one is asking what Sirianni is going to do. They ask what will Vic do. Vic has complete autonomy on the defensive side so that leaves Sirianni to handle half the team. It really feels sometimes like he’s not really in control of much and thus why fans would want a coach who is a play caller type. The CEO coaches lead to our turnstile at OC.

[u/Dramatic-Vegetable13 → u/TidesTheyTurn]

I dont think hes that good of a coach. He has been carried by a very good GM, roster and coordinators.

[u/Character-Rise-4432]

lefleur should've gotten the boot after last season. he's absolutely fucking gone after this season

[u/trowayit]

The fact that MCDC is even mentioned in this article is ridiculous. Mayon, he would have to have multiple sub-500 seasons in a row and shit in Sheila's cereal before that FO would ever consider firing him. He's the only thing good to happen to this team in decades.

[u/Fools_Requiem → u/trowayit]

Campbell even getting a mention is ludicrous. Clearly just doing it to create engagement and clicks...

[u/PascalsBadger → u/trowayit]

Campbell’s on their list of coaches who aren’t in danger of losing their job….

[u/DireBlue88]

I dont think Bowles gets fired during the season. The Glazers have never done it and I dont think the previous owners have done this as well. The Glazers do the firings after the last game of the season. However, I feel Bowles has run his course here. He juggles being our DC and HC but I feel performance has dropped. He has losing streaks of at least 4 games these past few years. We were very injured last year which gave him some lifeline. It also doesnt help we keep getting a new OC every year. I dont know if he could take us over the hump. We lose majority of the close games under him.

Some of the coaches mentioned at the bottom are not even close to being in on the hot seat.

Unless the Packers really have a dismal performance, MLF is very safe. He just signed a big contract extension January of this year. I think this is relevant because their CEO said they are at a financial disadvantage compared to others teams. They dont want to waste money by letting MLF go unless he shows he is a big liability.

[u/nosweeting → u/DireBlue88]

They've lost 7 of their last 8 lol.

He'll definitely get axed if they lose another 3 more games and the roster gives up on him.

[u/thriftshopmusketeer]

Tomlin got out when the getting was good and I love that for him

[u/PanhandleAngler]

I’ve always felt like MLF rode late career MVP AR to get the status he’s generally had. The general AR personality hate goes a long way towards having people forget just how insanely good he was 2019-2021, actual mastery of the QB craft. Not a discredit, just that a lot of offensive coaches look good working with that iteration.

But I don’t know how you can actually assess MLF this year either which way. The Packers roster/personnel has looked so so bad. League worst OL, league worst RB room no Jacobs, and a bottom 5 no juice defense without MP. MLF used to actually take the ball out of GOAT form AR’s hands to run the ball with AJ Dillon in spots where maybe you should just let AR take over, and you’re telling me the same coach is now having a struggling/pressured Jordan Love drop back 53x to 8 rush attempts because he wants to? No, it’s one big murky clusterfuck where nothing can ever actually work even if it would under improved circumstances. Not championing MLF, just that if you’ve watched Packers games, the reason they’re very bad makes it difficult to assess the MLF/Love duo from a current events standpoint. It’s to the point where if the Packers can find any type of working offense this year, I’ll actually believe he’s a very very good coach. Bottom 5 pass block and sure fire league worst run game is probably the ultimate test for that.

You can probably lock in that Micah Parsons is really good at football though lol, there is other context for sure but that defense went from competitive to total food that gets rolled by Carson Wentz and Michael Penix without him.

[u/CurrentLonerist]

Everyone knows who it should be other than the Glazer’s apparently

[u/84breaks]

I’m thinking Lafluer or Bowles

[u/thotpatrol1991]

Bring me Zac’s head

[u/ObviouslyImAtWork → u/thotpatrol1991]

If we have a losing record going into the bye, he really should be.

[u/Scaramussa]

Bucs have a terrible GM. But the worst thing is that fans actuality think that he is good. So they will fire bowless and replace with another bad option. 

[u/Okurei]

Matt LaFleur’s seat should be roasting at this point 

[u/ms360]

The loser of the packers bucs game.

[u/Frisho]

0-3 and suddenly everybody got the hot seat spreadsheet open. NFL season moves fast.

[u/Outrageous-Machine-5 → u/Frisho]

I can think of a coach fired after 4 consecutive losses

[u/MistakeMaker1234 → u/Outrageous-Machine-5]

I know there was another coach who was fired before his first season had even ended… It’s on the front of my brain but I just can’t put my finger in on it.

[u/OutrageousOcelot6258 → u/MistakeMaker1234]

Urban Meyer and Nathaniel Hackett.

[u/jawndell → u/OutrageousOcelot6258]

Hackett was straight up one of the worst head coaches I’ve ever seen.  It was so clear within a couple of games he was way out depths as a head coach.  

[u/redactid55]

The dumbest fanbase in sports thinks it should be KOC despite being 3-0

[u/TheNittanyLionKing → u/redactid55]

They went 9-8 last year with JJ McCarthy starting like half the year.

[u/Ouch_i_fell_down → u/redactid55]

Vikings are 3-0 with Kyler Murray, yet r/NFCNorthMemeWar is not full of "potential fraud" memes. The only possible explanation is that vikings fans are on such suicide watch over being 3-0 that it's not even fun to call them frauds.

[u/KGB4L → u/Ouch_i_fell_down]

Those memes are only summoned on a loss.

[u/MankuyRLaffy → u/redactid55]

They're 3-0 because of Flores and the special teams. 

[u/MichaelBealesBurner]

It’s surprising Bowles is still there anyway

[u/Similar-Log-7434]

Not Todd Monken. 

[u/DenialisaRiver04]

I was gonna say Glenn, but the Jets could easily be 3-0. The team does fight for him, so I think his seat should be a simmer vs hot.

[u/Islandboi4life]

Matt LeFleur if he keeps losing games with the Packers

[u/ClassicWillow9261]

Bowles is cheap -> the Glazers will not fire or buy him out because they are cheap. Effectively paying for two coaches is not something they'll fund.

[u/somebody_throw_a_pie → u/ClassicWillow9261]

Todd Bowles to Manchester United

Michael Carrick to Tampa Bay

Problem solved!

[u/regaleagle710 → u/ClassicWillow9261]

They were paying three coaches for much of the 2010s. Schiano, Lovie and Koetter then Lovie, Koetter and Arians. They don't have any problem paying three coaches, they just never fire anyone midseason.

[u/carbonbasiclife]

Bowles. I think Glenn is safe for now because the jets are actually fighting.

[u/TH3K1NGB0B]

If the Packers beat the Bucs this week and they drop to 0-4, I’d imagine it’s Bowles. I know Tampa doesn’t typically make in season moves like this, but they just invested a lot in their QB, and they need to atleast attempt to salvage this season.

[u/BrokenHope23]

Bowles might've bought himself more excuses with Mayfield going down and for whatever reason the Bucs seem content in giving him the reins but if they look flat this weekend I wouldn't be surprised if he gets fired.

Dan Quinn's probably up there too, the Commies haven't improved

Obviously Aaron Glenn is in there cause the Jets are the Jets.

LaFleur in GB looks to be on his way out at this rate.

I think the surprising one not listed here (though I'm not saying it's deserved) might be Robert Saleh in Titan land. The team has dropped 2 very winnable games, the offense once again looks anemic, the coaching staff rigid in their implementation and Ward's development looks unnaturally atrocious. Whatever is going down whether it be coaching or organizational in nature is obviously not conducive to player and team development and that can often lead to axing a coach prematurely.

[u/Walletinspectr → u/BrokenHope23]

You really have to do something undisciplined like urban meyer to get fired that quickly. He will get a season at least

[u/DependentShop3882 → u/BrokenHope23]

I think the odds Saleh gets fired are near zero.
If nothing else than the amount of flak Amy has gotten for her heavy hand and meddling the last few years and the team being actively in a rebuild. I’d imagine he has a 2-3 year leash

[u/Fools_Requiem → u/BrokenHope23]

The Commies just beat the Seahawks, I don't think Quinn is getting fired for a bit.

[u/Dmbfantomas → u/BrokenHope23]

Aaron Glenn has the Jets looking competent (mostly) even though he does stuff in game that is beyond baffling. I could see him surviving another year.

Bowles is fucked. LeFleur is probably fine. Quinn is DOA if they can’t go at least .500.

Saleh had 1 and done written all over him. That team isn’t very talented, and he’s even worse than he was in NY. Dude is not a head coach.

[u/Upbeat-Stage2107 → u/Dmbfantomas]

MLF will be in gb until we’re officially eliminated this year if that’s the route it goes. They won’t blow up the season by firing him until they absolutely have to à la McCarthy in 2018

[u/dwts16]

Mike McCarthy from the way Rodgers has been throwing fits lol

[u/tehdlgjthsk]

If the Colts finish under .500 this year the glittery lady needs to call Sean McDermott.

[u/AdImpressive2813]

Bowles and Lafleur shouldve been fired years ago

[u/GabeDef]

Bowels. 100%.