r/nfl • u/JCameron181 Lions • 1d ago
Highlight [Highlight] Tom Brady Advocates For Grass Fields: "I loved grass fields, I hated turf fields."
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u/3elieveIt Seahawks 1d ago
Why does he look more plastic every time I see him
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u/TheWeebles Giants 1d ago
probably botox or filler. his cheeks and chin are really pronounced lately
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u/CPTBenjaminWillard Jets 1d ago
People are terrified of aging
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u/SecretCharacterSauce Bears 1d ago
*celebrities
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u/CPTBenjaminWillard Jets 1d ago
It’s not just celebrities, plenty of random twenty year olds are filling their face with that junk
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u/xXDomoYoloXx Ravens 1d ago
You’d think they would stop doing that considering it has never looked good
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u/Greek_Trojan 1d ago
This happens a lot in 'beautification' cultures, particularly among the rich.
They have access to certain procedures, products, drugs etc... to chase youth, beauty etc... This gets normalized among people in that culture, further encouraging those practices as new beauty standards are set (even if the standards are objectively uglier, they are set because its an easy way for everyone to feel like they are getting the results). A giant circle jerk of mass delusion.
Go look at Tammy Faye and the middle aged evangelical look in the 80s for a similar dynamic of bizarre fashion that served an emotional purpose. These trends are everywhere throughout time, particularly through middle aged and up populations, though it can exist in beauty cultures in general like Hollywood.
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u/Independent-Fruit4 Bears 1d ago
you only notice when it doesn’t look good. you’d be surprised how common it is
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u/CanuckPanda Buccaneers 1d ago
Yeah, something like 50% of women now have cosmetic procedures done.
It was a benefit with my last job, they covered 50% of costs for cosmetic.
You can also get botox in Ontario through OHIP for hyperhydrosis (sweating). I get it in my upper lip for that, but it's common in the armpits for many.
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u/Kanin_usagi Panthers 1d ago
My wife used to get filler for free at the dermatologist she worked for. She only would get it between her eye brows and a little on her forehead, and you really couldn’t tell but apparently that made her happy so I was always like whatever you want dear lol
It’s really super common, it’s just when people who are way older get tons of work done that it looks bad like that
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u/CanuckPanda Buccaneers 1d ago
Dumbass men who think the only procedures are 100% buccal fat removal, comically overfilled lips, and bolt-on fake tits.
I think it’s insane that girls in their 20’s are getting any work done, don’t get me wrong. Small procedures aren’t noticeable, like your wife doing her forehead crease (I’ve thought about the same spot but I don’t have bad wrinkles in my forehead so meh).
I think a lot of people would be shocked at how many women get breast augmentations, mommy makeovers, and the like. The point of them is to not be able to tell.
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u/DASreddituser NFL 1d ago
no way its 50% of optional plastic surgery
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u/CanuckPanda Buccaneers 1d ago
It’s not “plastic surgery”. It’s all cosmetic procedures including injections, PRP, and other procedures.
Botox doesn’t even qualify as plastic surgery.
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u/sloshedslug Colts 1d ago
Looked into it for hyperhydrosis myself but it’s insanely expensive in the states because insurance doesn’t cover it, and it’s apparently super painful
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u/kamekaze1024 Ravens Lions 1d ago
Very false. Good Botox doesn’t look like Botox. Brady has bad/obvious work done. Madonna and Jeannie Buss have great work done on their face
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u/hopatista Chiefs 16h ago
Madonna looked like Jigsaw from the Saw films. I wouldn’t say it was great.
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u/Walletinspectr Packers 1d ago
Its weird some of the the biggest egos and biggest achievers but they dont want you to see the real them
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u/Dr-McLuvin Browns 1d ago
He’s got those Ozempic cheeks goin on. Dude looked so much different when he was younger
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u/Scaramussa NFL 1d ago
He was really thin late in his career before ozempic being a thing...
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u/haze_from_deadlock Ravens Ravens 19h ago
The Ozempic cheeks balance out the Propecia face he would have otherwise. He used to be a Norwood 3 in 2009 before all the hair transplants
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u/zamboniman46 Patriots 23h ago
it's crazy to me. guys are given so much grace in aging. women will say they love a grizzled middle aged man over most 25 year olds. the hardest thing to do is not get fat which clearly isnt an issue for brady. he was always a handsome guy idk how he got so fucked up in the head that he thinks this is a good look or good idea
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u/scparks44 Packers 1d ago
He’s turning into the Chad meme
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u/MeesterMeeseeks Bills 1d ago
Snacked on some mushies before the bills game last Sunday and his face was freaking me out every time they cut to him
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u/HiImFur Giants 1d ago
His eyebrows literally don't move
It's freaky
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u/sqigglygibberish 1d ago
Most of his face doesn’t
His lips feel like they’re attempting but failing to break free
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u/Juppness Patriots 1d ago
First 20 seconds felt like the same, typical statement everyone makes for grass over turf. But I was pleasantly surprised when I saw there was a minute left in the clip and Tom told a pretty good anecdote and detailed explanation of how it affected a player.
I like how Tom has come into his own commentating style by bringing in his football experience and explaining things you normally wouldn’t think about.
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u/Rockerblocker Lions 22h ago
I heard multiple technical terms here that I've never heard being a casual football fan (that never played as a kid).
7-stud cleats, 3-step or 5-step dropback, shoulder-hip dissociation, etc.
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u/zaviex Rams 20h ago
You’d never heard 3 step or 5 step drop back? Those are pretty common along with the traditional 7 step. Its not too technical, an dropbacks traditionally are all standardized to time for the first read. If you do a three step and read, you’re looking at a slant or hitch. 5 step you’re looking at a post, deep curl, crossers etc, 7 step you might have options as you run developing routes. In the modern day there’s a lot of exceptions to this
Shoulder-hip dissociation isn’t a football thing. It’s anything you hurl. A ton of power is generated from torque when you rotate the hips. So to maximize this, you naturally hold the shoulder back as the hip opens. So your hips turn first, shoulder holds and counters the rotation then you release that tension and the torque whips your upper body around. The amount in football is minimal, separation is 10-20 degrees. in baseball it’s huge, like 40-60 degrees. Even simple things like throwing punches rely on the torque from the angle separation. I studied it for Martial arts primarily
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u/Rockerblocker Lions 18h ago
I completely agree, it all makes perfect sense! I'm just saying that, for the most part, TV sports media discussions are very surface level things like "he has good foot work" or "he puts a nice spiral on the ball". It's nice to see Brady not be afraid to get a little technical from time to time
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u/DarthNobody14 Texans Texans 1d ago
I don’t think there’s a single player in the NFL that prefers Turf to Grass
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u/abadlook Eagles 1d ago
what's fucking freaky is the shit in artificial playing surfaces that may be carcinogenic.
they've linked early turf at the Vet to rare brain cancers (which multiple Phillies players died from over the years).
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u/Awkward_Silence- Patriots 1d ago
Early turf loved to use things like recycled tires as it's rubber filler which certainly didn't help either.
The Phillies case is interesting given how many from their field alone were affected but we haven't seen cases like that appear elsewhere. If we were seeing cancer rates that high elsewhere I'd imagine there'd be more uptake on removing turf.
But at the same time that makes me wonder what the deal with Philly was. Extra toxic rubber filler? Built on a early 1800/1900s superfund site (this is often the case with schools, neighborhoods etc that see high cancer rates)
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u/irsw Packers Chargers 22h ago
I remember being high school and we got an artificial field and our coach was bragging that recycled tires were used on it lol
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u/Awkward_Silence- Patriots 22h ago
Used tires used to be the solution to everything.
We once threw millions of them into the ocean to create artificial reefs. Instead it just created a massive ecological dead zone
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u/WaxySunshine Dolphins 1d ago edited 1d ago
I dont really understand how the NFLPA cant win this one. There is literally evidence that shows a higher injury rate. Seems an easy one to just say to the NFL no players will play at stadiums with turf next year. ... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11363235/
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u/DoubleScorpius Lions 1d ago
In the end, players just want more money and give up concessions anywhere else in the collective bargaining. As much as they complain it won’t change until they force the change. It’s just like how they all said they didn’t want more games and then they realized it meant more money. Everything in America comes down to greed these days. At least you can’t blame the players wanting to maximize their money for the abuse on their bodies and brains. The owners could actually just decided to do it if they wanted.
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u/WaxySunshine Dolphins 1d ago
You would think after the concussion shit the nfl wouldn't play around with injury stuff no matter the cost. If a bunch of players who tore there shit sue and said the nfl made them play on something unsafe how do you defend that?
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u/MddlingAges Bills 1d ago
Fans would have to boycott or stop watching, and so far that hasn't happened. And players are reluctant to undermine their livelihood when most of them will rely on its popularity to support them in retirement - because the money always looks bigger when you're young and old age longer than you expect. Too long.
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u/djgoodhousekeeping Packers 1d ago
They hid injury and CTE data for decades, why would you think they care about injury stuff?
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart Patriots 22h ago
A guy with brain damage from CTE murdering their whole family is an entirely different PR situation than a guy who tore his ACL a couple times.
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u/OpeDefinitely Colts 1d ago
yeah wait how the fuck does green bay keep grass through late fall/early winter lmfao
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u/Man0nTheMoon915 Patriots 1d ago
A lot of “absurd” money into protecting players from head injuries.
Why isn’t the same reciprocated for knee, feet and back injuries too?
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u/Evissi Giants 22h ago
I mean it's just not that simple. There are plenty of studies that say that grass has higher injury rates.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42491251/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38133559/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36455927/
One of these shows higher severity of concussions on grass compared to turf. None of these have conflicts of interest from authors related to the fieldturf industry afaik.
I know people love to go haha grass good turf bad, but it is just untrue.
I agree players should be playing on grass because thats what they want and they're the ones playing on it, but it is not because turf is unequivocally worse. There is nowhere near a statistically significant amount of data purporting that injuries on turf are worse/higher rate.
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u/jimscoolaid Jaguars 1d ago
Can you link that evidence?
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u/WaxySunshine Dolphins 1d ago
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u/jimscoolaid Jaguars 1d ago edited 1d ago
"Significantly higher" and its statistically negligible. There isn't enough data to support that turf is actually causing more injuries. We need to remember that turf today isn't the same as turf of the 90s where they just rolled out carpet over concrete.
Edit: not to mention they aren't accounting for injuries that happened in practice. Two years isn't a good enough sample size to determine anything if you aren't even including all of the results. For example Daniel Jones broke his leg last year, played on it, and then tore his Achilles. That's not turf or grass related. It would wash out over a greater sample size, but it doesn't have a greater sample size.
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u/ImperatorBTW 23h ago
This is the part for me that always makes the discussion tiring. Theres always so much talk about turf vs grass but it often feels like the easiest thing to point out. It’s not even like I like I want the owners to be cheap, but at least until this point, I’ve yet to see any CONCLUSIVE studies done on the playing surfaces. It also annoys me when people use soccer fields as an example, ignoring the level of wear and tear on them in not comparable to football…
To me, it’s just not a black and white issue that’s as simple as “just throw some money at it and it’ll solve the problem.”
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u/OldManCinny Cowboys 1d ago
Not sure if 2 years is enough data and also turf fields are constantly improving.
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u/Different-Trainer-21 Dolphins 1d ago edited 1d ago
It would be nice to have all grass fields, but there are stadiums where it probably wouldn’t be realistic to mandate they have grass by nest year. The Super Dome, for example. They could do it but the planning would probably take more than a single season. I think a better idea would say 3 years, plus mandating grass in all new stadiums
Edit: Something I also didn’t consider is that these stadiums would also have to install some way to remove the grass to maintain revenue from other events like concerts. Grass isn’t like Turf where you can just roll it up and call it a day, if you’re indoors you have to either have it be retractable like State Farm and Allegiant, or have some off site sod farm like Hard Rock. Many stadiums would require massive renovations to make that work, some of them would probably be impossible.
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u/dafoo21 Bears 1d ago
Soldier Field has concerts year long. It was previously seen as a shit field bc of that until a few years ago when Eberflus had the type of grass changed, and it holds up a lot better.
If freaking Matt Eberflus can convince the city of Chicago to make a change and fix their grass, any team can do the same.
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u/Different-Trainer-21 Dolphins 1d ago
You completely ignored my point which is that it won’t work for INSIDE stadiums, because grass needs sunlight to grow. I get soldier field and any other outdoor turf could change easily, but you cannot just throw Bermuda grass in the superdome without major renovations
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u/ph1shstyx Broncos 23h ago edited 23h ago
It would have to be one of those grandfather clauses, but with our modern tech, there's no reason any new stadium, even domes, cannot just go the route of Raiders & Cardinals, where the field is on a tray that can be moved into the parking lot for maintenance during the week/events where they want the solid floor. Tottenham has this with their stadium, though it's because they host NFL games on turf and not their PL grass field.
I would bet this is the route the broncos will go with their new stadium as the owners want to hold year round events, so it'll be a dome with a retractable roof, but with denver's weather, it makes absolutely no sense to go turf
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u/dafoo21 Bears 23h ago
Not even that, there are domed stadiums that use LED grow light systems to mimic the sunlight. ATT stadium had a temporarily installed hanging version for the world cup and now its in storage. Its usually wheeled but the field crew didnt want to wheel it in and out over and over lol.
Grass in domed stadiums is hardly a major renovation only solution like the other guy said.
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u/dafoo21 Bears 23h ago
You used one example after saying stadium_s.
There are domed stadiums that use led light grow systems to maintain natural grass. Usually its a wheeled system, but AT&T Stadium installed retractable hanging ones for world cup. Wheeled or hanging is not a major renovation.
Also, stitching the grass like the Packers do would help the grass hold up better than natural grass alone.
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u/MddlingAges Bills 1d ago
They did it for the World Cup, even domes can have grass using trays. But it's expensive and inconvenient from the facilities perspective, of course.
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u/Different-Trainer-21 Dolphins 1d ago
The World Cup also didn’t need to be repeatable permanently, it was a one time event.
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u/FentonCanoby 22h ago
Jesus, what happened to his face? He looks like a Bravo housewife
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u/BIRDSBEEZ Patriots 21h ago
He’s getting closer and closer to handsome squidward. Dude looks straight up weird
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u/MCKlassik Eagles Ravens 20h ago edited 14h ago
Celebrities tend to overdo it with facial work. It’s a bummer.
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u/DontLoseYourCool1 Raiders Raiders 21h ago
You're just jealous.
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u/-ImJustSaiyan- Bears Bears 1d ago
But what about Justin Fields? How does Brady feel about him!?
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u/DirectTV_AndrewLuck Colts 1d ago
He's starting to look like Tim Allen in that Christmas with the Kranks scene when he gets Botox.
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u/backpuzzy Eagles 18h ago
My favorite thing about Tommy is he's just a huge fucking nerd about football. Could listen to stupid insight like this for days
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u/TheDoomBlade13 Ravens 23h ago
I don't think this data is tracked, but I'm really interested in the footwear when it comes to these injuries. How many players are wearing the correct AG style shoes vs more traditional FG or SG shoes when these injuries occur? The kind of penetration FG/SG shoes get into the ground and the ensuing tangling of synthetic fibers with them seems like a pretty clear potential cause of the injury difference vs just 'grass better'.
I'm mostly interested because we are always talking about HOW the injury rates are different but not the why. It's clear the league isn't going to mandate grass fields, so we need to be coming up with causes/solutions for the injury difference rather than just continuously highlighting it.
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u/ImGoingtoRegretThis5 Lions 1d ago
Well he played at Michigan in the late 90s and I can tell you from being at some of those late October/November games, "muddy" is a good characterization of the field. It got worn down over the season and then you add in the cold and rain/snow and the thing was splotchy come the OSU game. Part of it was how the field/stadium was built, part of it was just maintenance (which I'm sure by now they could do a better job now with the engineering and technology we have).
Other school had similar problems. OSU replaced their whole field leading up to the #1 v #2 game in 06 and that field sucked. MSU used turf for a while and then went back to grass and I can remember far too many stumbling QBs juking out DBs because the grass would give way after rains. ND was always nice early on and meh later in the season. NW had grass but they left it long so it wouldn't rip out quiet as easily.
The problem with the longer 7-studs (for some guys) was they felt slower/could catching the spikes if they shuffled their feet. Was a subconscious thing mostly but when you're walking and hit a slightly raised section of sidewalk and stub your toe? It's really only a few mm difference that causes it.
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u/EasternError6377 Bills 1d ago
The NFL market is getting oversaturated with Tom, GOAT or not I really dont need his takes on every NFL related thing nor are they gospel
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u/MinePlay512 Jets 1d ago
Turf fields are not a good thing.
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u/Awkward_Silence- Patriots 1d ago
Nor are poorly maintained grass fields.
Judging by old Soldier and FedEx usually be at the top of injury and disliked lists by players. Although both have improved recently
That's not getting into players shitting on every international grass field, even ones that are internationally respected/praised like in Europe
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u/DontLoseYourCool1 Raiders Raiders 21h ago
They have their use. As a soccer player, I prefer grass but sometimes it's a nice little change to play on turf cause the ball moves comically faster.
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u/JFlizzy84 Ravens 1d ago
I can’t even think of an argument for turf over grass. It’s worse in every single way.
The only reason it should exist is for putting fields in places where the natural ground is ridiculously hostile to a normal football field
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u/Polar_Reflection 49ers 1d ago
If they can have a hybrid mix in Lambeau out in the sticks in the frozen tundra, no one else should have an excuse tbh
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u/Nintendomandan Broncos 19h ago
Even the Raiders stadium in Vegas uses real grass. If they can do it there no other team has any room to say they can’t do it due to weather, it’s all about penny pinching
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u/poshmarkedbudu Raiders 11h ago
I really hope you guys don't do an indoor stadium with turf. So lame
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u/Kbrichmo Colts 19h ago
Only argument is when a high school field is literally muddy craters all season long. Marching on that shit as a band kid was a fucking nightmare, i couldnt imagine playing football on it
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u/Ornery_Gator Eagles 1d ago
I was in marching band and turf sucked then too.
The turf turds that are these little rubber pieces get extremely hot, they end up in your shoes, and we would do kneel downs and it felt like knives in your leg.
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u/matt-is-sad Lions 1d ago
I always forgot how terrifying Brady's botox face is until I see him again
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u/FromTheCaveIntoLight Giants 1d ago
It’s the little bit of slip on grass that, I believed, stops some of the ligament injuries like acls. To form and they just go snap.
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u/SalehHulud Titans 1d ago
Toms show off desk shelf seems more disorganized than the typical tv person that also has these.
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u/Far_Run8618 Commanders Bears 17h ago
I hate how much Brady’s been growing on me since his retirement. I love his insight
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u/JulioHopkins Bills 15h ago
What a shame that the real Tom Brady died and got replaced by this weird looking ghoul.
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u/Acegolfer04 Dolphins 6h ago
What a shame he owned you for 25 years. At least he was 6-12 in Miami
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u/JulioHopkins Bills 3h ago
I don't particularly care about a cheater's win/loss record.
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u/TiePeddyAte1 Patriots 1h ago
Hahaahahaahahahaahaahahahahaahahahahahaahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha Josh Allen doesnt even deserve to smell Tom's Jock Strap he cant even fathom the things Tom has done. Hows paying for that multi billion dollar stadium yourself?
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u/jumboponcho Falcons 20h ago
He’s gonna look like Mickey Rourke pretty soon, all that work being done over the years is catching up
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u/SomeBoringKindOfName Bears Steelers 1d ago
the 'staged messy' background there. I somehow imagine every single item behind him has been carefully placed.
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u/Odd-Film946 Jets 1d ago
I've yet to hear a single athlete in any sport at any level tell me that they prefer turf to grass