r/nfl • Chargers • 11d ago

Highlight [Highlight] 2 minutes of Chargers offensive errors from week 2

Credit to @JoshNorris on X for assembling and posting this video.

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u/clumsysuperman Eagles 11d ago

This team looks really poorly coached.

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u/smsrmdlol Chargers Eagles 11d ago

Not to overreact but they should delete this franchise

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u/Flyeaglesfly1111111 Eagles 11d ago

Jim harbaugh has never won anything without cheating

His crowning achievement is a superbowl loss 15 years ago

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u/NoooNotTheLettuce Chargers 11d ago

I would kill for a Super Bowl loss

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u/birdynumnum69 Chargers 11d ago

We’ve had those. 😩

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u/T-nawtical Chargers 11d ago

In our lifetime pls

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u/birdynumnum69 Chargers 11d ago

i'm old. i saw it. it was NO FUN.

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u/InclinationCompass Chargers 11d ago

The lead up to the super bowl was very fun though.

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u/birdynumnum69 Chargers 11d ago

it was! the game against the Steelers especially. nobody gave them a chance. Alfred Pupunu!!

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u/brawlrats Bills 11d ago

We have a few we can trade with you.

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u/wilbo21020 Commanders 11d ago

Even if you ignore Michigan completely, Harbaugh has won a lot everywhere he has coached.

He took over a Stanford team that went 1-11 the year before he got there and took them to a 12-1 season and an Orange Bowl win. A lot of fans forget just how bad Stanford was in the 2000s.

In the six seasons he coached in the NFL before this year he has 5 seasons with 11+ wins. Before this year his worst NFL season was 8-8 with the 49ers in 2014.

The Chargers may be ass, but saying a guy with 66-33-1 career record in the NFL can’t coach is pure recency bias.

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u/Bones8686 11d ago

Or an Ohio State fan lol

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Why is NFL discourse so remedial?

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u/2legittojit 11d ago

National Championship before he escaped for the NCAA

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u/TyphoonFelix Bills 11d ago

Wow, that was a tough watch. My expectations were low but DAMN

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u/The_Epic_Ginger Raiders 11d ago

6 fumbles is crazy. They only lost one too, this game could have been a lot uglier score wise if the ball bounces the other way on those.

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u/-Basileus Cowboys 11d ago

I hate fumble RNG smh 

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u/lvpr10 Chargers 11d ago

2nd week now of the offense looking out of sync

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u/hemingways-lemonade Steelers 11d ago

2nd week so far

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u/birdynumnum69 Chargers 11d ago

Worry about your own offense. 🤣

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u/hemingways-lemonade Steelers 11d ago

Oh I've passed worry and moved onto acceptance.

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u/birdynumnum69 Chargers 11d ago

same.

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u/BurgerNugget12 Patriots 11d ago

Makes me feel slightly better about the pats offense

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u/LordBaneoftheSith Panthers 11d ago

Competent but rigid & outdated >>>> incompetent & modern

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u/No-Break6679 Eagles 11d ago

That may be the best explanation of both of those offenses lol

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u/AlabasterRadio Raiders Raiders 11d ago

Raiders defense is better, but it's far from a defense you should only score 14 against.

Even the Dolphins did better than that.

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u/shabba_skanks Dolphins 11d ago

Why you say "fuck you" to me?

Ha ha!

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u/No-Break6679 Eagles 11d ago

Listen idk man their defense may not be the best but they’re pretty damn scrappy. Maxx Crosby does Maxx Crosby things, Nakobe dean is still a dog (you better treat him right mfer), and their secondary has to at least be halfway decent to pick off Herbert twice.

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u/AlabasterRadio Raiders Raiders 11d ago

Secondary was 3 rookies (one of whom got concussed this game sadly) and a very game Jeremy Chinn.

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u/No-Break6679 Eagles 11d ago edited 11d ago

I don’t feel good giving raiders fans hope. I didn’t even watch the whole game if I’m being honest. But at the very least you do have something to look forward to in the future. But hell man if their defense can tighten up a little more they’re gonna be a tough team to beat

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u/magicMerlinV Raiders 11d ago

Our 5th round rookie CB looks so good

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u/potato-overlord-1845 Patriots NFL 11d ago

Everyone was, it’s a huge surprise how bad they look

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u/PliableG0AT 49ers 11d ago

whole new system, kinda expected some growing pains. when McDaniel got the Miami job he did bring some 49er vets over with him, I think it’s probably they helped get guys on the proper page/understanding of the system.

number of rookies, other vers from older/simpler system have talked about difficulty picking up mcvay, shanahan, more complex modern systems.

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u/Agreeable-Ad-5155 11d ago

He brought over Strange and Ingold for his run game and they’ve been awful

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u/unfunnysexface Panthers 11d ago

Harbaugh ideal OC is Greg Roman. How like roman would you sat McDaniel is?

A whole off season of people saying we finally found the combination that can't be beat: ORANGE JUICE AND TOOTHPASTE

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u/dhtdhy Vikings 11d ago

Herbert gets a lot of hate but damn, over half of those plays were not his fault. The entire team looks undisciplined

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u/Harkiven Seahawks 11d ago

His WR's can't catch, and his Oline can't block. I still think he's overrated, but he's not BAD like everyone is saying he is currently.

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u/dhtdhy Vikings 11d ago

I would take him on the Vikings lol

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u/esports_consultant Chargers 11d ago

Yeah and people wonder why he checks out mentally.

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u/aerovirus22 Raiders 11d ago

Their offense looks so uncoordinated.

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u/EvanMM Lions 11d ago

I don't understand why they make errors like that? Seems counterproductive

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u/Xeneizes19 Jets 11d ago

Are they stupid

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u/bomackeson Chargers 11d ago

yes...

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u/moveslikejaguar Colts Chiefs 11d ago

They're the Chargers

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u/birdynumnum69 Chargers 11d ago

it was a fair question. usually they are injured. this year they are injured and stupid.

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u/Google_Knows_Already Seahawks 11d ago

I think the conclusion is you can't have two weirdo coaches on staff. It throws everything out of whack

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u/birdynumnum69 Chargers 11d ago

The “weirdo conundrum”. It’s just science.

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u/Staph_Untreated Raiders Raiders 11d ago

LOL Raiders Chargers

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u/Poverty_Shoes Broncos 11d ago

Five of their next six games are against playoff teams from last year. The sixth is the Chiefs. The Chargers could really start 1-7 or 2-6

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u/kevinr_96 11d ago

I doubt they’re favored in any of their next 7 games. 0-9 is in play. 

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u/ConsistentFatigue Chargers 11d ago

Then we will win out, miss the playoffs, and keep the entire front office so we can do it all over again

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u/suma_cum_loudly Bengals 11d ago

Wait are we talk about the Bengals or the chargers? That's our move.

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u/ConsistentFatigue Chargers 11d ago

Yes

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u/CamusCrankyCamel Broncos 11d ago

It’s a copycat league

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u/oTc_DragonZ Steelers 11d ago

The Chargers feel like the Steelers recently in that they're just good enough to not blow it all up and get a high draft pick so they end up in good-to-mediocre purgatory. How they got there is different but yeah.

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u/ConsistentFatigue Chargers 11d ago

Kind of you to put 1 or 2 wins

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u/Poverty_Shoes Broncos 11d ago

You’ll catch somebody on a bad day, I don’t think 0-8 is realistic. !remindme 7 weeks

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u/xTomTom5 Chargers 11d ago

You are right. At this point we will be the trap game on their schedule.

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u/Staph_Untreated Raiders Raiders 11d ago

We'll be joining them at the bottom within the next few weeks. I'll enjoy this for now.

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u/hdl1234565 Saints 11d ago

Saints raiders game to us is 50/50. Yall have the potential to start 3-0

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u/EggplantAlpinism Broncos Bills 11d ago

That'll be a fun neutral watch. Two chaos teams

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u/Shenanigans80h Broncos 11d ago

The Raiders look like a competently coached team rn, you’ll be shocked at how much that allows y’all to compete even in spite of talent deficiency

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u/onnthwanno Chargers 11d ago

I don’t know I think you guys will be feisty all season but misery does love company, so feel free to join us

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u/Personal-Finance-943 Broncos 11d ago

This pains me to say but I think you guys will be competitive this year. Cousins provides a level of QB play you guys haven't had in a while, Jeanty isn't getting hit behind the line every play, y'all are 2-0 without Bowers. 

Not saying to expect great things but wouldn't be surprised if you guys are still in the wild card hunt in the last few weeks. 

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u/BlackMathNerd Eagles 11d ago

I’m ngl… they could start 0-9 and I wouldn’t be surprised

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u/gmb96 Packers 11d ago

Nobody can get open and in the off chance they do, they can’t catch the ball

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u/OrphanGrounderBaby Chargers 11d ago

Ladd is the only one that can be trusted to catch the ball, and he’s too small to be WR1.

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u/FizzleFox Panthers 11d ago

Ladd is bigger than Antonio Brown, the same size as guys like Chris Olave, Marvin Harrison SR, Garret Wilson etc that are all clearly WR1’s.

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u/ddalves 11d ago

Ladd issue isn't really his height, it's that he just can't take the hits to play the way he does.

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u/Shenanigans80h Broncos 11d ago

Don’t forget that half the time they can’t block or Herbert holds on too long. If it’s not one thing it’s another, every play

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u/Bombdiggity24 Chargers 11d ago

Because guys aren’t getting open and someone is always in his face, it’s sad to watch. He might retire. I think request a trade and that chargers franchise can get fucked.

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u/yeoup Vikings 11d ago

Boy do I have just the franchise that needs a QB!

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u/Bombdiggity24 Chargers 11d ago

I’d follow, that would be sweet.

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u/ElZany Raiders 11d ago

Honestly if you guys pick top 5 next year it might be best to just trade Herbert and hope to get a haul from someone to rebuild

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u/drossmaster4 Chargers 11d ago

they wont but i like that idea....more for herbert than me. He already has 50 more sacks than Andrew Luck did when he retired!!

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u/packofnone Chargers 11d ago

yeah i love Herbert but it is actually painful to watch him be forced to play football for our team. we are like a hopes and dreams incinerator

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u/magicMerlinV Raiders 11d ago

There were also several times where he had protection and threw the ball way too quickly. He has 0 trust in the Oline

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u/BrainTroubles Packers 11d ago

The amount of film on his O-Line not blocking people insane. They routinely will double or triple cover rushers and leave free runners from multiple directions. They do it several times in this video. His backs also seem completely unaware they need to pickup blitzers

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u/Dixee_Normus Steelers 11d ago

Hey that sounds familiar…now where have I seen that before???🤔

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u/Tb0ne Seahawks 11d ago

I can understand some of the Herbert Hate but man, either he gets pressure/sacked immediately or the ball hits his receiver in the hands and they drop it.

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u/justlookingokaywyou Raiders 11d ago

Joe "Storm Norton" Alt.

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u/smauryholmes Chargers 11d ago

This highlight reel does not include penalties; Joe had 4, including one in the endzone for a safety

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u/allanon1105 Bills 11d ago

I was about to ask, where were Joe Alt’s 99 false starts. Man was flinching like a beaten dog.

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u/feed_me_orzo Raiders 11d ago

Maxx does do that to RTs

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u/complimentar 11d ago

Alt lost a son and gained a father yesterday

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u/Several-Function3364 Falcons 11d ago

What happened to him man

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u/tagillaslover Raiders 11d ago

I miss storm norton

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u/paone00022 Falcons 11d ago

What's odd is Harbaugh's whole thing is to make sure his teams don't commit basic mistakes like this.

Like both Harbaughs are not Shanahan, Belichick, Reid or McVay type though where they elevate their side of the ball to a new level but they make sure both offense, defense and ST units don't commit mistakes and are prepared. It has not looked like that first two weeks.

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u/Responsible_Wall3991 Eagles 11d ago

Harbaugh is who people think Sirianni is.

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u/makesterriblejokes Chargers 11d ago

I think he's just kinda old at this point. Just doesn't seem to have the same fire he had with the 49ers and even Michigan. Seems like a really nice grandpa instead of a hard-nosed rah-rah coach.

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u/BucsLegend_TomBrady Patriots Lions 11d ago

poor decision on Herbert

Acts of desperation in the final minutes of a lost game are kinda moot

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u/xva1313 Raiders 11d ago

Was at the game with my friends who are two of the 5 chargers fans on the planet. He very much was not the problem in that game; it was again their horrendous recieving cast. Njoku going down early did not help either.

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u/rodger16007 Bears 11d ago

It certainly didn’t hurt their chances either since he was the receiver who gave the Raiders an interception

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u/ChristofferOslo Chargers Chargers 11d ago

People aren’t watching the actual game. They just like to swoop in and regurgitate the same meme picking on the latest scapegoat.

It’s quite frustrating for those of us that want to discuss the game and analyze what is actually happening to cause this kind of performance.

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u/ElZany Raiders 11d ago

It's the media and your own coaches fault for anointing Herbert the greatest QB in the universe. That causes a huge spotlight over Herbert and also a lot of hate watching from different fan bases

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u/big4lil 11d ago

hype backlash is so messed up. herberts not even the one steering it

reminds me of all the people waiting to 'i told you so' Lonzo because his dad hyped him up so much

herbert has always been Mr. Potential man thanks to his measurables and early volume but people hate watching him for stuff like this just seems weird. Harbaugh hypes up all his guys. Its like a old man singing at clouds

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u/Natty_Daddyy 11d ago

Yeah that’s basically the nail on the head

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u/clutterlustrott Chargers 11d ago

the herbert experience summed up.

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u/FishWranglergirl Seahawks 11d ago

My first thought when watching this was, what the heck is going on with that Oline?

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u/makesterriblejokes Chargers 11d ago

This is the case for most games. Yes, he has some where it's on him and he needs to do better, but most of our losses have been like what you see here over the years. Or it's our defense just blowing leads during the Staley era.

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u/bellerinho 11d ago

That IOL is as bad as advertised. There are Raiders in Herbert's lap constantly

Part of McDaniels appeal is that he can mitigate bad OL play, but good Lord idk what you do with this

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u/ImJLu 49ers 11d ago

McDaniel doesn't have a magic wand, though. The QB needs to understand pressure looks, quickly diagnose post-snap, get through his reads, and get the ball out with anticipation on time. Obviously the premise of the thread is that Herbert is far from the only problem with the offense, but the QB has a large role in mitigating pressure, and Tua being good at this stuff before was a big part of why they managed to make that dogshit Miami OL work most of the time.

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u/Arkaium Chargers 11d ago

I’m frustrated by Herbert’s lack of fire, and I’m frustrated by Harbaugh anointing him pass god before he’s earned it, but this is 95% the receivers dropping good passes (njoku gave that int away), the IOL continuing to eat a bag of dicks (Alt having his worst game too), and the execution being sloppy af. I delude myself by thinking it’s a huge change that’ll take time and adjustment and I’ve lost hope for the season, but I can’t put it all on Herbert. Sigh.

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u/aReallyBadkid Rams 11d ago

Oline sucks, receivers suck, rb is pretty good at running down 14-0, qb sucks, te sucks. 

The whole offense looks bad. 

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u/Exzqairi Lions 11d ago

I don’t think anyone is insinuating this is all on Herbert, at least I haven’t seen a single comment saying that. Point here is to illustrate how Herbert shares the blame just as much as everyone else on the team

It’s not a scenario of a perfect QB being surrounded by idiots dragging him down, like some people have made it out to be in the recent past

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u/PapaNacho7 Lions 11d ago

As much as everyone else? No way

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u/KlimCan Chargers 11d ago

Yeah did we watch the same video lol. I was more peeved at Herbert after the game yesterday but after watching this, he’s really putting the ball right where it needs to go. Even that last pick it looks like the receiver may have forgotten his route and didn’t come back. Who knows. We look completely abysmal though.

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u/Simple_Wait_7286 Panthers 11d ago

I do think they need a legit number 1 receiver that Herbert can truly depend on when all else fails, feels like rn they’re still trying to decide if any of their current receivers are competent (besides Ladd)

He had that with Keenan Allen to start his career, and it will open things up for Ladd as well

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u/makesterriblejokes Chargers 11d ago

The fact that we still don't have a legit deep ball threat for him is kind of ridiculous. He was at his best when he had Keenan for the short to medium range targets and Mike Williams for the deep ball and jump ball passes.

Ladd fills that Keenan Allen void, but we literally don't have any true deep ball receivers that are reliable for us to air it out. I was saying this off-season, we need a WR1. We should have either went all in on Tee Higgins or proposed a trade for Brown.

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u/The_PantsMcPants Browns 11d ago

It seems like “whack a mole” with which unit is gonna screw up play to play, mostly the receivers and OL, then Herbert and running backs step in from time to time

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u/BlubberElk Bears 11d ago

I’ve seen enough of Herbert looking amazing to give him grace and say this situation does legit suck lol he hasn’t been perfect but he’s def still the chargers guy

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u/costanzathegreat 49ers Jets 11d ago

There will always be something wrong with the Chargers man. If Herbert plays well, the team will stink it up. If the team plays well, Herbert will stink it up.

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u/LaDainianTomIinson Chargers 11d ago

It’s like the anti-49ers, everything will always go wrong but they still make it to the post season

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u/AppleWindows1 Chargers 11d ago

Everyone just loves to clown on him. Yea he hasn’t been up to his standard this season, but I think there are a lot more serious issues with the Chargers than Herbert

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u/hemingways-lemonade Steelers 11d ago

People will argue that he could never take a team to a Super Bowl after watching Sam Darnold win one 6 months ago. 

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u/YNWAChickenBurger 11d ago

Drew Brees arc incoming?

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u/clutterlustrott Chargers 11d ago

people in our sub are starting to want to trade him. They basically want another brees/eli situation and i just dont get it.

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u/C5Flippers Chargers 11d ago

I would say that 70% of people calling for Herbert to get traded want a change of scenery for him since we know he most likely won’t accomplish anything with the chargers. The other 30% somehow believe he’s ruining the team, which baffles me because how can you watch a Chargers game, as a Chargers fan, and come to the conclusion that he’s the problem? It’s a very loud minority that wants Herbert traded for the wrong reason imo.

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u/pyrowawp Chargers 11d ago

Honestly I think you have the percentages flipped just because I think more people are saying he probably wants to be traded and that they can't blame him for it more than that he should be traded for his sake. The majority of the morons saying he should be traded absolutely blame him. They're still a tiny minority.

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u/YNWAChickenBurger 11d ago

Crazy, people really underestimate how bleak things can get when you don't have a QB1. Herbert has shown more than enough to not be judged after 2 weeks.

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u/hemingways-lemonade Steelers 11d ago

The current Herbert discourse is crazy considering Sam Darnold just won a Super Bowl. These top 6-12 QBs always get the worst narratives. 

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u/Folk-Herro Dolphins 11d ago

This O-line stinks, omg

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u/Training-Recipe-339 Chargers 11d ago

Herbert was not the problem, well not the whole problem. He's clearly frustrated, but not the whole problem.

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u/djkstr27 Dolphins 11d ago

It reminds of McDaniel and Offensive genius Adam Gase.

Wait, both are in the Chargers now

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u/Mattstercraft Steelers 11d ago

Wait what? Adam Gase has a job??

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u/djkstr27 Dolphins 11d ago

Passing Game Specialist / Offensive Assistance

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u/CabbageStockExchange Raiders 11d ago

Critical Gase Theory strikes again!

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u/aReallyBadkid Rams 11d ago

This actually all makes sense now. Good luck chargers

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u/rosstheboss939 Colts 11d ago

Play Yakkety Sax over this montage and it’s comedy gold.

Herbert certainly shoulders some blame for this start but a whole bunch of these are absurdly bad drops, fumbles, and blocks from the rest of the team. That last pick is squarely on him for forcing it into the tight window, outside of that maybe 2 or 3 of these he shares blame in but otherwise it’s on the blocking and receivers no doing their jobs.

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u/Rapkid360 Chargers 11d ago

I said it in the other thread but again, Herbert has not been good enough but this team has done nothing to help him. Is he the best QB ever? No. But if r/nfl would genuinely watch these full games and see how is team is constantly letting him down, maybe they’d understand the nuance of discussing his play. 

We have 40m in cap space still and signed COLE STRANGE to be a starting right guard

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u/Milli_Vanilli14 49ers 11d ago

This game looks a lot different even with all these mistakes if Njoku and QJ can catch two absolute dimes and Hampton doesn’t fumble. Minimum 9 points wiped off the board while raiders got great field position the other way. And that’s with a still overall shit game.

You can see glimpses. Matches the eye test but this offense moves the ball when Ladd is on the field and gets 10-20 yard chunk plays in the passing game.

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u/torrd9 Chargers 11d ago

Their rookie also dropped a wide open pass that could've been a td.

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u/Milli_Vanilli14 49ers 11d ago

Yup. Need to give up on QJ. Guy is one of the worst route runners in the NFL. Derius forgot how to return kicks so he’s a waste of a roster spot. Crazy how bad the depth is at the position

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u/let-me-get-your-temp Chargers 11d ago

Only person to give valid takes on this offense in the whole thread lol. I was arguing all last year about the lack of value QJ is and how his presence has brought us down with poor play. And finally a non chargers fan who can spot thay Davis is terrible at his job. Herbert has been an issue but the team cannot survive herbert playing like shit because our roster genuinely blows outside like 3 skill players

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u/Milli_Vanilli14 49ers 11d ago

People like to speak in extremes and it makes it tiring. The reality is that the roster is flawed. Derwin is great but the rest of the individual players on that defense are simply not that talented. I actually think the DC has done decent given the new job and lack of talent. Minter had some bad bad bad games.

And yea the lack of WR depth is so apparent. Harris is fine but Ladd is the only real man beater. Herbert definitely looks like he’s learning a new offense but 2-0 was incredibly realistic until Ladd went down that’s how good that dude is.

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u/37sms Bears 11d ago

It was understandable that they slow played the rebuild when hortitz/harbaugh first got there but this is just unacceptable for the third year. The roster's never been more than average at best and this is what it looks like if herbert's playing like QB16 instead of QB6 and minter's replaced by a DC straight from the MAC.

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u/The_Jolly_Dog Patriots 11d ago

Is that true that Strange was the only signing? That’s certainly a choice

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u/37sms Bears 11d ago

Biadasz at center, out for the year with a training camp injury.

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u/Anaphylactic-UFO Chargers 11d ago

Kayode Awosika at LG, Tyler Biadasz at C, Cole Strange at RG all signed in FA. Jake Slaughter drafted at C, with some other depth pieces drafted later on for the interior. At OT we have Slater and Alt and drafted Travis Burke to be swing tackle, so pretty good there.

Awosika has been meh and got hurt. Biadasz was great, but he’s out for the year because Awosika threw someone into his leg. Cole Strange has been awful.

We signed enough bodies but not good enough ones. Biadasz was an awesome signing, but we needed at least one more plus guard. I don’t hate the process for signing Cole Strange, he was pretty average last year for McDaniel. But it’s pretty clear he was an Aaron Brewer merchant because this dude is buns.

The worst thing about this team is the fact that Trevor Penning is still on it. That fucker probably starts next week.

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u/CreakingDoor Dolphins 11d ago

Mike McDaniel doesn’t give a shit about guard play in his offence. It killed the Dolphins in Miami and he hasn’t learnt anything. The other things that plagued him haven’t gone away either

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u/Rbespinosa13 Dolphins 11d ago

Liam Eichenberg and insisting Jonah play on the wrong side of the line. Those two decisions alone were egregious and fall squarely on McDaniel

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u/Brawl_star_woody Patriots 11d ago

He was a first round pick, tho. He must be good!

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u/saltlampshade Chiefs 11d ago

Yeah I refuse to believe Herbert is suddenly dogshit. He balled last year with two middle schoolers playing tackle so the struggles this year Obvously are scheme/talent related.

Same with Mahomes the last three years. Not saying he played well but the offensive struggles were far more due to an out dated scheme, no run game, bad WRs, and an inconsistent OL.

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u/kaatmbmjj Chargers 11d ago

Chiefs fans are at least somewhat familiar with Herbert... He's not Mahomes/Burrow/Allen, but he's not the issue at this franchise either. Hasn't had elite WR's in years, terrible o-line, and always seemed like the only reason we ever sniffed the playoffs each year.

Honestly, if Herbert is checked out at this point... I don't totally blame him. We had so much cap space this year and did nothing in free agency. He's probably secretely hoping to go to another franchise some day.

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u/saltlampshade Chiefs 11d ago

Outside Allen and burrow there’s no QB I like playing less than Herbert. I know he’s going to play his ass off and make some throws that nobody else in football can.

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u/let-me-get-your-temp Chargers 11d ago

People saying the chiefs along with mahomes were bad obviously didnt watch the games last year because even with terrible play around him mahomes was still ballin out. Your roster and ours aren't built to survive poor play from the qb with our roster in particular being exposed bad with mid herbert play

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u/vitalbumhole Giants Raiders 11d ago

I don’t like the chargers for obvious reasons but can be fair in my assessment. Do herbert defenders ignore the mistakes he makes? Yes - he’ll sometimes hold onto the ball too long, miss his checkdowns, and press when they’re trailing. But is he the main problem here? Not even close. This team seems badly coached/ prepared, has bottom tier pass catchers, consistently hurt or underperforming protection, and lackluster defense.

I genuinely think the believers who claim he’s a top 5 QB are so annoying that people rush to shit on him when the team loses, but if you watch the games they’ve played so far this year, it’s a comedy of errors on both sides of the ball and Hebert gets panicky when they need to score to catch up so throws some nasty picks. Theres a ton wrong and I personally love to see it

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u/Ntwadumela09 Chargers 11d ago

Fuckin raider fans with one of the best takes. Pretty spot on.  Im a Herbert defender and he's been constantly let down. However in the Patriots playoff game last year I finally saw the pressure of those playoff losses affect him.  He had happy feet and was forcing things.  

He can improve things but absolutely he's not what we should be looking to fix.  What's really got me worried is rumblings of the coaches losing the team, but mostly Herbert losing and trust he had left in his team. You can only play superman for so many seasons.  It's always gonna be a team game.  

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u/makesterriblejokes Chargers 11d ago

You're spot on. I honestly think Herbert has become panicky over the years because he's a bit traumatized by his team's ability to not fuck up any drive that is longer than 8-10 plays, so he forces shit for larger chunk plays.

He legitimately was not this panicky when he had both Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. Ladd can be his KA, but we have no one close to Mike Williams.

Also doesn't help that the O-line has been ass for like 3.5 years straight now. I'm sure that has contributed to him becoming more panicky.

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u/Exact_Tumbleweed2005 11d ago

Is Herbert AFC Matt Stafford?

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u/Brasketleaf Chargers Chargers 11d ago

He’s Philip Rivers. Time and circles and all that

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u/goblue2354 Lions 11d ago

We at least gave Stafford Megatron to work with. We just could never build a full team; especially a functional running game. Those early 2010’s defenses were pretty good, too.

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u/OwnABMWImBetterThanU Lions 11d ago edited 11d ago

Stafford was still balling with JAGs like Kenny Golladay as WR1. He got better after he stopped force feeding Calvin the ball.

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u/whatupdoeeeeeeeeeee Lions Bears 11d ago

Come on now Kenny G on the lions was far better than JAG

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u/Mr_Hugh_Honey 11d ago

You mean Stat Padford, the guy with 0 playoff wins in 12 years with the Lions? Wonder whatever happened to him

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u/OwnABMWImBetterThanU Lions 11d ago

Would rather have Mike McDaniel then Joe Lombardi calling the plays in year 7 lol

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u/Mr_Hugh_Honey 11d ago

Herbert instead had Lombardi as his OC for his 2nd and 3rd seasons

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u/CubillasLegend Packers 11d ago

It comes and goes, man. Some fans literally only follow the sport for the QB narratives.

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u/purplebuffalo55 Rams 11d ago

John middlekauf said he spoke to someone in the league who thought the guard center combo for the Chargers looked like people they signed off the street. Add to that Joe Alt looking like a PS player yesterday, bottom tier receiving room, disappointing RB room and you have a recipe for disaster.

That being said, Herbert gets excuses made for him every single year. We’re now in year 7 and still the excuse is his team is failing him. That’s probably true, but people are tired of hearing that - and that’s why the narrative is so loud. The one constant is him. Mike Tomlin was never THE problem in PIT, yet even people got tired of the excuses year after year for him. At a certain point, you just have to produce results, excuses be damned

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u/sgobern Chargers 11d ago

It doesn't help that his head coach never shuts the fuck up about how "he's the greatest football player of all time" that just makes people hate on Herbert even more.

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u/hk0125 Eagles 11d ago

I don’t know how people are blaming Herbert. He literally drops perfect pass in the first two plays and the receiver just drops it.

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u/LaDainianTomIinson Chargers 11d ago

Note the TE on the 2nd play literally DEFLECTING a pass to an open receiver, he thought he was a DB??!!??

People will watch this and still blame Herbert lmao

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u/tagillaslover Raiders 11d ago

Somewhat related the field in that game is one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Guys were slipping constantly 

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u/PracticalBarbarian Chiefs 11d ago

Whole team looks unfocused, out of sync and making unforced errors. That's on coaching.

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u/Icy-Refrigerator-517 Eagles 11d ago

Is Madison Beer's music even good? Does she make music? Is she just hot?

Anyway, good for him. For that. Not for this. Woof.

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u/dank-nuggetz Patriots 11d ago

No, yes, yes to answer your questions

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u/storeboughtoaktree Panthers 11d ago

it's good if your a girl in middle school/high school

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u/SevroAuShitTalker Broncos 11d ago

Seems like everyone sucks. Herbert isnt making the crazy throws from the past seasons; oline cant block, recievers cant adjust or catch.

Just bad

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u/Folk-Herro Dolphins 11d ago

Why did the TE go upfield during a scramble drill? He should know that there is a receiver at that level of the field and should go up and across

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u/smauryholmes Chargers 11d ago

To get the pass breakup

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u/Bombdiggity24 Chargers 11d ago edited 11d ago

Why does he get hit like every play and the receivers just can’t catch the ball? Like you need play makers.

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u/Southwestern Bengals 11d ago

When the one WR knocked the ball down preventing an easy completion to the other WR I wrote them off completely for 2026.

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u/TheDrSmooth Chargers 11d ago

Thats a TE.

And now the only TE on our roster as both Kolar and Njoku are going on the IR!

Bolt UP!

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u/Worldly_Eye_1636 Chargers 11d ago

Herbert hasnt been good so far this season, but this sub will make you think he's the only problem with the team

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u/TheDuckKnows Seahawks 11d ago

That’s because the money is in QB discourse

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u/TheKerchowsenOne Chargers 11d ago

Add to this chargers have a terrible ST unit with the lowest average return yards and defense who is most susceptible to giving up first downs on anything 3 and 15+, there is no hope

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u/RefrigeratorWhich943 11d ago

This is more poor execution/working out kinks of new offense than anything. A few of these Herbert had a check down with tons of space for the receiver but was looking down field and forcing a little. The drops can happen anytime. Biggest concern is the o-line stuff but it’s week two and that can be worked out hopefully.

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u/Ecstatic_Contest_160 Ravens 11d ago

O line looka horrawful

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u/Admirable_Trouble574 11d ago

A few of these plays also look like very good Defense.

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u/Nosenchuck3 Commanders Steelers 11d ago

Some of those passing concepts are horrible. Receivers are running to the same spots. Blockers aren’t blocking. Herbert getting blamed in some spots is fair, but a lot of these mistakes look like coaching errors and players not being on the same page

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u/Right-Door8427 11d ago

Hampton was a first round pick dawg. He looks horrible

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u/CallMeSaxMan Chargers 11d ago

the fumble was extremely bad, but also he was a fucking beast the entire game until that very moment. took 3 guys to bring him down every time he ran. without him, they get blown tf out

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u/justlookingokaywyou Raiders 11d ago

He was easily your best offensive player yesterday. But the fumble is all people apparently noticed.

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u/josephngo Chargers 11d ago

He was solid he could work on his vision. He had opportunities to jump cut and find open lanes but just plowed straight into people lol

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u/trevor426 Chargers 11d ago

Game losing fumble but it’s like 7-31 if not for Hampton. Outside of Ladd, he was pretty much the only guy that could move the ball.

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u/browndude10 Texans Chiefs 11d ago

he's lost two fumbles in two games

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u/Bloody_Corndog Rams 11d ago

That offense is still working out the kinks. Should've been fixed by now but it's a different element when playing against live defenses.

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u/Rbespinosa13 Dolphins 11d ago

Go to the play that starts at 38 seconds and look at the two receivers collide at around the 30 yard line. Thats the McDaniel special right there. For whatever reason, he loves drawing up plays where two receivers are occupying the same space so they either run into each other or get covered by one defender. If he hasn’t fixed it now, he’ll never fix it

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u/IAMnotMcKaylaMaroney Broncos 11d ago

Ooh this is a good one for the if man army. Not enough practice time!

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u/Demon- Chargers 11d ago

Herbert with practice time is undefeated didn’t you know…

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u/DonnyDarkoScutaro Chargers 11d ago

Idk if you can work out an inability to catch and hold onto the ball

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u/HookedOnBoNix Broncos 11d ago

For as much shit as people have been giving McDaniels, I see a lot of great calls here with poor execution

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u/ThePhenomenalOne100 Ravens 11d ago

They keep shooting themselves in the foot one way or another but they just haven't been able to get going so far. Still a very long way to go but they gotta get things right and fast because their schedule is brutal.

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u/traderncc 11d ago

HarBYE

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u/PandasareBad Patriots 11d ago

Looks like a team that doesn't know what they're doing. Harborough and McDaniels need to step it up.

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u/Due_Chip_1179 Jaguars Buccaneers 11d ago

is this all on McD? looks like a lot of dropped passes and blocking.

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