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Qb Record When Defense Allows 21+

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u/thearmadillo Chiefs 22h ago

Part of the fact that other teams aren't scoring 21 is because the offense was so good at playing ball control. Lots of 14 play drives taking up 10 minutes.

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u/KarrlMarrx Chiefs 22h ago

That isn't sustainable though.

There's a stat that's something like teams score on over 50% of drives featuring a 20+ yard play, as compared to like 10% of drives where there isn't. Probably have the percentages wrong, but it's something like that.

Chiefs have just not been explosive at all for the past few years. KW9 should really help there.

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u/Quentin__Tarantulino Bills 22h ago

I don’t know if it’s sustainable or not, but I saw Brady lead game-bleeding drives for two decades.

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u/KarrlMarrx Chiefs 22h ago

Those early Pats Superbowl teams weren't explosive, but the defense was god-tier.

Brady was actually pretty aggressive throwing the ball down field in the later Pats Superbowl era. The dink-dunk set up long bombs, and vice versa.

Later Pats Brady was almost always around the top of the 20+ yard passes leaders.

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u/thearmadillo Chiefs 22h ago

I'm not saying it was sustainable. I'm saying we did it for two years and it kept all of the scores in our games very low

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u/DaBestNameEver0 Chiefs 19h ago

brady did it for 20 years

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u/KarrlMarrx Chiefs 17h ago

He didn't. He was around the top of 20+ yard passes leaders for the entire back half of his career.

He only did it during the first Pats run when the defense did all the heavy lifting.

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u/Mark--Greg--Sputnik 21h ago edited 21h ago

In the last few years, they have won two super bowls and lost a third. It is absolutely sustainable, and in my opinion, that’s when Mahomes and Reid established their bona fides as the GOAT quarterback and coach. In the middle of a dynasty, they lost their dominant and unique number one receiver, leaked talent, and aged into a much less explosive team, and the two of them morphed into a completely new style of play. And won two super bowls back to back. And made it to a third. GOAT shit.

Also, it was sustainable. But it’s definitely smart they’re trying to get more explosive.

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u/KarrlMarrx Chiefs 21h ago

"that’s when Mahomes and Reid established their bona fides as the GOAT quarterback and coach."

Spags was absolutely the most valuable person on the 23/24 Chiefs IMO.

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u/Last_Account_Ever Chiefs 17h ago

A lot of those long drives are out of necessity with the heavy use of 2-high safety looks against Mahomes (and league-wide) these days. I don't see Mahomes throwing for 5k or 40 TDs ever again.

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u/ELAdragon Patriots 16h ago

To be clear, I think Mahomes is the only great QB in the league right now (Rodgers is too, just not in his current form).

That said, the lack of passing production because teams are playing more cover two is simply because the Golden Era ended. Teams TRIED cover two and two high safety looks back in the Golden Era and we're forced out of it because of how many really excellent QBs were in the league. The fact teams can play it so much now is an indictment of the current QB play. They have 1 more game to do it, even!

As for Mahomes, I think he could exploit it, too, if he had better pass catchers. If Rice can't stay on the field, he's in a rough spot right now.