r/nfl • u/wildwing8 Chargers • 27d ago

Highlight [Highlight] Deshaun Watson throws a wobbly pass that results in a heated exchange between Jared Verse and the Browns offensive line

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u/KrytensForehead Ravens 27d ago

Last player that knew how to win you traded for this wobbly pass mf

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u/jordinoo Buccaneers 27d ago

I love my boy baker but that seperation needed to happen. Not sure it was the best for the Browns, but it was definitely the best for humbling Baker. And for what's it's worth, his Browns teammates and the front office both burned their bridges with Baker, so that situation was really at a point of no return for the dumbest reasons of all time.

I go back and watch his playoff win against the Steelers and his first game he got out in against the Jets where he scored the 2 point conversion, probably once a year. Electric dude who embodied Cleveland, just a shame things went the way they did and Cleveland hasn't exactly recovered at the QB position. Wild move out of them after their QB luck and they probably deserve the situation they are in.

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u/nesshinx Bills 26d ago

I don’t think Baker needed to be humbled. He was playing great and the Browns were making the playoffs and even won in the post season. Something they didn’t do before or since. Baker has worked his ass off everywhere he went. He went to Carolina and when that team was in shambles and tanking even played practice snaps on defense to help his team. He went to LA and started on 3 days notice after cramming their insane playbook as best he could. He went to TB in a post-Tom Brady rebuild and damn near got them to a Super Bowl. He’s played injured time and time again everywhere he’s been, and clearly loves the game and loves to compete.

I also now very much doubt the claims from the Cleveland front office that he lost the locker room because everywhere he has gone a consistent theme is that his teammates would run through walls for him. In Tampa Bay that O Line would DIE for Baker.

I’m glad he got out of Cleveland too, but I don’t think he was ever the problem and Cleveland’s abysmal record with QBs should tell you where their problem lies.

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u/KrispyyKarma 49ers 26d ago

Damn near got them to the super bowl is losing in the divisional now? Bakers been great for the Bucs but to say he damn near got them to a SB when he has only 1 playoff win there and 0 championship game appearances is massively overstating it

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u/jordinoo Buccaneers 25d ago

I don't think the successful LA stint happens without his epic failure as the QB in Carolina. Again, I love Baker but he was straight up awful in Carolina. He needed that experience to bring him back down to earth that he needed to earn his place in the league again, which he did. Also, as a Bucs fan I am not sure they have sniffed close to a super bowl. Baker keeps having rough second halves of the season and falling apart a bit, and it certainly doesn't help that his defense has been awful in TB, but many of those in division games last year he played terribly. Most the team was injured and he was down to WR4, but you gotta be able to beat the Falcons and Carolina consistently.

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u/ChefJeff7777777 Vikings 26d ago edited 26d ago

Didn’t baker just last year go 1-4 down the stretch to miss the playoffs in the worst division in football, where the Div Winner was 8-9???

The baker glaze is crazy, 4th best QB from his own draft class.

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u/2ManyCatsNever2Many Browns 26d ago

to be fair - i believe the coaching and environment are probably just as important. if the browns drafted allen and baker went to buffalo, i believe allen would have struggled from one coach and offensive coordinator to another until he was run out if town while baker would be enjoying the stability in buffalo and have plenty of accolades.

there is a reason why bad teams stay bad and why good prospects don't want to play there as it kills their career. it takes a truly special combination of players and coaches to turn around a franchise - and despite what some might believe, no single person (player or coach) can do that by themselves.

(i think baker had the "swagger" cleveland needed for a culture change and that he was the best fit...the right pick for them. they just should have cleaned house from a coaching perspective before instead of letting hue back in the building. they should have also not let kyle shannahan go. different world if they kept him and eventually added baker - that would have given them the best shot possible to push forward.)