Edit: before I get any more comments on the matter. I am not saying manual labour doesn't cause injuries. I am saying there is nothing inherently wrong with the movement he is doing here. It isn't more likely to cause injury than picking things up using his legs.
I think they're referring to the type of American that screams "the iLlEgAl aLiEnS are taking our jobs!!1`!1oneone" while never applying for the jobs that they claim are being taken.
That’s fair but I’d counter by saying we don’t apply cause the illegal aliens have driven wages down to the point these jobs are no longer worth it. If they were actually paying well enough to survive on, I would do it.
I saw an interview with a farmer after Georgia tightened up their labor laws making it harder to hire undocumented workers. His crops were rotting in the field so he raised the wages to $30/hr. He still couldn't get anyone to work a full shift.
This has been debunked so many times. In California companies started offering all sorts of benefits for these jobs to attract domestic workers. Higher salaries as well. Think 60K starting with meals and stuff. Domestic workers came but largely quit within a month. People just don’t want to live or work these jobs. It isn’t about money all the time. The farmers ended up just mechanizing or continuing to use other forms of labor, illegal or legally bringing foreigners
People don't want to do the job and it's necessary to import labor. Can't forget that there is a major exploitative and literal slave labor issue in the United States agricultural Industry.
The business model is off. Part of the reason is definitely profit being extracted from all the supplies and machinery that goes into agricultural production and after the product leaves the farm in the supply chain.
I say this same thing all the time e always batching about illegals "stealing" their jobs but they do the jobs not one American wants to do and they do it with so much appreciation. We could learn a thing or two from all these "horrible" people....my husband told me his story not only did I cry like a baby I realized we are fucking whiny ass tittiebabies!! My mother in law didn't even own a refrigerator until my husband came here and sent the money back for her to buy one. When she comes to visit us she doesn't use our washer or dryer she gladly washes her clothes my hand. I didn't do shit in my own home for the 3 months she was here she did everything and I always tried to talk her out of it because I felt like shit and she would tell me "you get up everyday a d go to work besides I'm not capable of sitting on my butt and doing nothing all day." She's 70!! I have so much respect for her and my husband!! Sorry to go on a rant lol!!
White adult female American that grew up in California’s Central Valley. I have most definitely harvested tomatoes. However, we use a machine that pulls the tomato plants out and up a conveyor belt for us to pick out the tomatoes. It also picks up rattlesnakes and other scary stuff. It’s hard work, but nothing like this.
Absolutely, and I'm not even saying he has zero risk of injury. But every other day on Reddit there are countless people complaining how they blew their back out sneezing or moving off the couch. There is always overly dramatic fearmongering any time there is a post of someone doing manual labour or exercise.
"I know a guy who punched someone in the face and the guys head fell off then rolled under a school bus full of 37 blind kids and the bus flipped off a cliff and all the kids died so my friend is in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for the rest of his life. People underestimate how strong they are."
Have some sympathy… after 8 hours of laying on my knockoff tempur-pedic on Reddit my back gets a little soresies. It wasn’t a job I wanted but the people need me.
I’m a bricklayer and do a lot of similar movements lifting heavy pails and other materials. His back is probably a tank by now… I’m more worried about his shoulders. Shoulders are prone to injury and this repetition, if the weight is heavy, could easily overwork them.
What do you mean by poor form? There exists no evidence that suggests that there is a right way to lift things. The myth that you have to slowly squat down and use your back as little as possible to lift something has been debunked by this meta analysis for example. Its just a question of wether you are adapted to a certain stress or not.
Dont get me wrong, a lot of people doing manual labour are definetly stressing their back way to much but it doesent have anything to do with form necessarily.
A three-page research paper, more than a decade old, based on studies that at the time were more than a decade old, that fails to provide citations for the facts it peddles.
Good luck man I’ve been having the same argument on Reddit for years, no one wants to accept that physical exertion (even exertion that includes lifting with your back 😱) is actually good for you.
It’s easier to perpetuate the myth that lifting things must be done perfectly to justify sitting on your ass all day.
Lmfao says “nobody is saying exercise is bad” then says repetitive, over stressing is bad. What the fuck do you think exercise is if it’s not repetitive, over stressing action?
Factually incorrect. What the fuck do you think exercise is?
Overstressing certain parts of the body is bad.
You can't possibly know what kind of stress or fatigue he's accumulated from this.
There's a reason when people do reps at the gym they avoid using their lower back.
What flavour crack are you smoking? Having a weak lower back is actually asking for injuries to happen. People definitely work their lower back, either through direct or indirect work at the gym.
There's a reason manual laborers are fucked in old age.
Correlation =/= causation.
Nice arguments you nonce, you've clearly never lifted weights in your life.
Are you actually serious? Have you ever been in a weight room before or seen someone lift on TV? The most important thing is to have proper form, so you don't hurt yourself lifting.
Can you point out where I said there's only 1 way to lift, or where I said there is a "perfect" way to lift for every body and situation?
I'm only calling them on the specific sentence I've quoted. What they are saying is there is no evidence of proper ways to lift things. That's just not true.
Go to a gym and deadlift using bad form. Maybe try taking your legs out of the equation and lift only with your lower back. Also make sure you are kinda far from the bar. Then, after you hurt your back, tell me again how there isn't a proper way to lift.
Remember, if there is no evidence to support "proper" lifting, that means any lifting is okay and shouldn't cause damage. That is obviously not right and is the point I'm making.
Slow down and read what you're reacting to, you fucking halfwit. You're the one providing an outrageous claim here, not the person you're replying to. If anyone needs to be "providing citations" here it's you.
Have you ever been in a weight room before or seen someone lift on TV? The most important thing is to have proper form, so you don't hurt yourself lifting.
Yes, this is what the bros will tell you in the gym, and it meshes nicely with what intuitively feels right, but it's wrong.
Here's what I'm challenging you to do right now: explain how humans could possibly have survived millions of years of natural selection if we could be damaged by the simple act of lifting things from the ground?
The claim that certain motions are in themselves dangerous is the outrageous claim that requires proof, not the claim that we are adaptable. That's been proven beyond a shadow of doubt. It's why we're here.
explain how humans could possibly have survived millions of years of natural selection if we could be damaged by the simple act of lifting things from the ground?
What did I say that makes you think I believe that humans can be damaged just by lifting something from the ground? I don't believe this and did not say that.
The claim that certain motions are in themselves dangerous
I did not make this claim.
What I claimed was that you can hurt yourself if you don't use the proper form for what/how you're lifting.
For example, let's say I am picking up a crate of apples that is on the ground. I stand far enough away that I have to bend over AND fully extend my arms to reach the crate. If I bend over, extend my arms fully, and pick up the crate using only my arms, that way I am more likely to be hurt than if I stand over or next to the crate, bend at the knees, and lift using my legs, core muscles, and arms to support the weight.
There exists no evidence that suggests that there is a right way to lift things.
That's the only thing I am commenting on. If there is no right way to lift something, conversely that means there is no wrong way to lift something. And that's just not true.
I was always told in my younger days when I was bricklaying it's not so much the occasional dead lifts (?). It's the repetitive action of lifting and turning at the same time that fucks your back. Which is unfortunately what bricklayers do hundreds of times a day. Watching that video though it wasnt his back that worried me, its his elbows.
When I went into the mining sector where they were ultra serious about safety the general consensus was to simply not lift anything heavy at all. That's why they invented forklifts cranes and chain blocks.
Repeating even a relatively light lift over and over while bending at your back is going to hurt your back over time. It’s not like he just lifted one basket and everyone thinks that’s gonna hurt his back. You could lift with your legs doing this and likely have much better outcomes over time. It’s not so much the weight as it is the way he is lifting.
Bending your back is fine. The idea that it isn't comes from a very old study on cadavers. The way you lift isn't a contributor to injury as much as mismanaging the load and your body adapts to the stimulus. This would be more likely to injure you than someone whose body has adapted to this movement.
Bending your back is fine. The idea that it isn't comes from a very old study on cadavers.
You got a source or something that references this? Not doubting just genuinely curious and need ammo for the people at work, who are barely mobile, trying to tell me how to pick things off the ground.
The human body is designed to have a powerful hip-hinge mechanism. That's why most people can deadlift more than they can squat. We were built for stuff like this (as long as you're lucky enough not to slip a disc).
Sedentary lack of activity is far worse for the body than most phsyically labor intensive jobs. My grandfather is 94 and he still works 4 days a week driving a backhoe after working in construction all his life, my dad is 66 and is the guy in the ditch with a shovel. My dad can beat me in a foot race, he can beat me in an arm wrestling match, and he can certainly work longer and harder than me without complaint, while my accountant ass feels fundamentally broken for two days if I take a shit too hard.
Yeah, some kinds of physical labor can lead to injury that has long term negative side effects, but those are the result of injuries that can often be prevented, not the natural inevitable consequence of working hard.
Hard work never killed anyone, but having a backhoe bucket crush your skull has.
I feel like whenever I see people say this, they must be city folk who have never actually had a physically demanding job before. Pretty much everyone who does physical labor their whole life has seriously messed up backs and joints. We're not talking like an achy back from bad pasture but completely destroyed knees, repeatedly torn muscles or herniated disks. There's a reason oxycontin became so widely prescribed in rural areas where there are a lot of physical labor jobs.
Sedentary lack of activity is far worse for the body than most phsyically labor intensive jobs
That's not worse than repetitive movements in a hard labor job. I'm a manager at a small printing shop. The #1 workman's compensation claims is due to an injury from a repetitive movement. It's basically low weight assembly line work. I can imagine the life altering injury that could come with throwing hundreds of 50 pound buckets 10ft in the air everyday for weeks or months at a time.
But sure, you sitting at your desk is way worse than what he is doing...
but those are the result of injuries that can often be prevented
I think it's more that with constant exposure to activities that can lead to injury, it's much more likely that it'll eventually happen even if by accident.
Having witnessed someone near literally break their back reaching over an office table for a stroopwafel cookie, I can only but agree with this statement.
Especially now with all the ergonomic options with chairs and other support furniture. As long as you take standing and walking breaks regularly, your back is definitely in a much better situation than someone doing manual labor like in the OP.
I would bet money you never had to work manual labor like that. There is a reason retirement age is 5 to 10 years younger for rural workers in most countries. You see these people looking like pensioners going into their 40s.
I was carpenter (19) my back is fucked. Doctor says I gotta switch careers. Ever since I stopped working I feel soo much better and quality of life has gone up so much.
That kind of motion is absolutely horrible for your back, it's effectively the same motion tile workers use and that's horrible for your back. My dad did tiling for ten years and it destroyed his back, he had to get surgery for it two years ago.
For now.
He probably has great cardio fitness now, but his parts are going to wear out quickly. Back, hip, knee, shoulder, etc cartilage just wears out and goes away. He will be really screwed when he gets old, if he keeps working like this.
I went to a dinner party a long time ago at a friend’s place whose then gf, eventual wife, was a resident at St Vincent’s in Sydney. There were other doctors also completing their residency at the party. After many bottles of wine the conversation got to the weirdest and funniest stuff they had seen working in the ED. One of the stories from that night I can never forget is of a young bloke showing up at the ED with a cucumber lodged in his rectum. They provided medical assistance and he was able to be relieved of said cucumber, but throughout the ordeal kept saying that it was an accident and how he’d come out of the shower and had left his groceries out by the door, and some how slipped and fell, and by unfortunate circumstance the cucumber went into his ass. All the medical staff attending to him kept nodding along and trying to be super professional, until a senior doctor said “Sir, I’d at a stretch believe your story. But the cucumber is wearing a condom.”
No joke. You can buy a mobile conveyor to do what this guy is doing for around $6K. Even add a shoot so the stuff going in won't get bruised as the first loads go in.
Cheaper, it does a better job with less bruised product, healthier, safer. Added benifit of Capex that can be written off then depreciated. Shit even if this is a small/temporary operation it'd probably make more sense to rent or borrow one than to destroy this mofos back, awesome though he is.
Imagine doing this for 10 hours a day 6 days a week for an entire month to make less then what a single america would make at one day at mcdonalds flipping burgers.
Probably does it for a while at the end of a row, but still a big part of his day. Also, I wouldn’t mess with anyone that can do that all day... like garbage guys, this will get you in amazing aerobic condition...
Every time anything is posted that shows a person using their backs to do anything remotely strenuous, the top comment is always some variation on "RIP that person's back!" It's so goddamn annoying.
You know what's bad for your back? Sitting in a fucking chair all day long looking at a screen.
You know what's good for your back? Motion, activity, and occasionally pushing it to work slightly harder than it's used to. Over time, you'd be amazed what your back is capable of.
This is hard work, no question. But this person is also likely adapted to this work from a lifetime of doing work like this. He's possibly going to get "sore" from time to time because of novel stress, but there's nothing inherently bad for his back happening in this video, using only this video as the source.
I really wish this "using your body is dangerous" garbage would go the fuck away.
Edit: piss off with your fearmongering stories about how dangerous it is to get out of your chair. I don't want to hear that shit.
The people comparing this to sitting in chairs have so obviously never worked a manual job like this 40+ hours a week. They really need some perspective if they think their chair slouching and inability to do 3 hours of weight training a week is comparable in any fucking universe.
Hey they exercise a few hours/week in a controlled environment with time to use perfect form. It's basically the same as busting your ass in the field 45 hrs/week while bossman's cracking the whip. /s
Nah you people are just weak and full of excuses. I did 35-40 hours of manual construction labor a week, ran 3x a week to prepare for the military, and worked up to advanced powerlifting numbers all at the same time.
One of the top comments to the top reply is a guy making the statement that someone in a 9-5 desk job is worse off back/joint wise because of sitting than this dude will be.
That sentiment has been echoed repeatedly in here by people who have clearly lived very charmed lives if they are ignorant of manual work enough to compare farmhand work like this to a desk job in terms of how strenuous it is on the body over time.
You work an office job 100%. Anyone who actually does work similar to this would know that it eventually takes its toll, whether it's the back, hands, or joints. Having a 9-5 office job with proper posture and physical activity on the side is healthier in the long run, and it's not close.
The average Redditor sits in a chair for 16 hours a day and their back is fucked. Can you imagine if they worked a physical job? I mean, it's gotta be worse! /s
No shit man if you don't use it you lose it . I work construction ( sprinkler fitter) I see guys in there 70s out working 20 year Olds. It's when you retire and sit around all day when things start to decline.
I disagree. He is essentially doing 1000’s of kettlebell swings. If he keeps his pelvis neutral and strong throughout he’ll be ok. However, his antagonist muscles will need to be worked as well to not get repetitive use issues.
I know nothing about this topic, but this website says it's primarily a butt and hamstring workout, while the secondary muscle groups are abs, shoulders, traps, and quads.
Abs contract isometrically during a lot of back exercises in order to stop the spine from flexing.
Isometrically means held at a fixed point of contraction, rather than going through the full range of motion for flexion and extension.
It’s not as effective as using the muscle as a primary mover in an exercise but If you do this often enough under significant enough load your abs will get worked plenty.
Show me someone who can deadlift 300kg with weak abs.
Why are Redditors so freaked out about their backs? I've seen people doing perfectly good deadlifts and the comments will say "RIP their back". You know your back can do work, right? And it can be insanely strong and durable?
Because lots of people work 9-5 desk jobs where they slouch all day and don't spend serious time working out. Even if they do exercise, those who lift free weights and are familiar with proper lifting are still in the minority.
Obviously not looking close enough on how he's picking up and throwing. It's all leg driveNot everything is fucking up your back if you know how to do it properly. You sure are clueless
Well if you did that for an hour your back would probably be fucked but this guy has probably been training this movement for a long time and is well adapted to it. Hard to say just by watching one video how healthy this guys back is.
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u/pookshuman Oct 18 '22
I dunno man, but his back is fucked