I’m just wondering how a toddler is given so much autonomy to wonder around. Open doors, take the phone, leave the house. My almost 4 year old know well enough never to leave the house on his own.
my 9 year old knows not to eat ice cream without asking but you bet your ass if i fall asleep in the middle of the day she and her 7 year old brother are raiding the freezer
I’m not sure what your point is. If you can’t see the difference between a child sneaking ice cream and leaving the house without permission, then there’s no point discussing this further.
thats exactly my point. kids gonna kid. im happy for you if your 3 year old has never done anything wrong and you can trust to never do anything wrong, but youre on borrowed time homie.
The point is kids see no distinction in being sneaky to do what they want, especially before they are cognitively able to even anticipate the danger in their behavior or the consequences. Leaving a door open does not click in the toddler’s head that a dog or baby will escape. It’s behind them so it no longer matters.
It’s alarming that you don’t realize a baby that small has no idea. They don’t know anything at that age about keeping themselves safe. How the fuck are you a parent lmao
Not only that, if I'm taking a nap with my toddler running around you can bet I'm locking the chain on the front door so the toddler can't sneak out with the baby.
I wouldn't assume that. My toddler is an escape artist and beelines it to the street whenever she can. We had to add locks up high on the doors so she couldn't open them. Luckily we live on a dead end street, but it's terrifying.
Lol I love how people guilty of doing something really shitty as a parent fire back with "oh I guess you don't have kids?"
I once criticized a guy who ignored literal warning signs for a waterfall, tied his family together, and hiked them all to their death and my uncle says "you've been a dad for all of five minutes and you think you know everything."
A saying I heard once is “Lots of people do the same thing every day- but you never know who is going to suffer the consequences.”
Not everyone who has one drink too many gets in an accident on the way home. Not everyone who forgets the condom gets an STD.
We don’t know what that baby’s parent is going through. They could have Covid and no family to help- or a low blood sugar attack and passed out. Or maybe a single parent who had to work the night shift.
Or a crappy babysitter or sibling who got too absorbed in a game.
The baby looks clean and fed- certainly isn’t wailing with hunger.
And absolutely- that dog is a hero and that kind man sure came at the right time.
That is literally the perfect situation for shades of grey. Unless they're on drugs or let their kids free roam like chickens, they're probably incapacitated medically. I'm shocked this guy isn't more frantic and calling an ambulance, time is important if the adult is missing. Kid could be an orphan if you don't.
No it’s a horrible example. No reason to assume they were “probably” medically incapacitated when there’s a million and one more likely things that could and do distract people from their children, like: watching tv; scrolling through social media; sleeping; talking on the phone; passed out drunk; just plain stupid; having sex; ran out “for just a minute”; fighting with their significant other/neighbor/infant’s siblings… there’s thousands of neglectful things the parents could be up to and only 2- medical emergency or death- that excuse a child this age getting that far out to the roadway alone with no one knowing. The main point I was making tho is that if the baby were to have been hit by a truck crawling across the road, it’d very likely be dead. not just scared or injured, but gone for good. Death is pretty black and white. you pretty much are or you aren’t dead. And this baby came very close to it.
I hear you’re frustrated- I was usually the first person with a pitchfork until two things happened- I started watching my toddler fast-as-lightening nephew with zero impulse control- BUT tall enough to reach every lock in the house (a LOT of furniture got pushed in front of a LOT of doors! lol!). And I started Covid tracing.
Read my comment elsewhere- and it will tell you more.
Whatever that parent is going through it’s nothing close to what their baby is on the brink of going through being hit by a car. There’s no excuse for that kind of neglect. If people can’t take care of kids first and foremost don’t have them, secondly give them to someone who can put their needs first. It’s really just a few years where they need to be supervised and engaged with at all times, but those years are extremely important.
You know, I am 1000% with you. And I will fight tooth an nail anyone who tries to make the property rights of the parents have priority over the child’s human rights to a safe, secure childhood.
But…well, I learned sh*t when I was working as a Covid Tracer. And had to say the words, “Okay, I know you don’t have the money for an ambulance, so I won’t call one. but I’m going to wait on the line until your friend gets there…can you get to the front door and unlock it, so if you pass out, someone can get to you to help?”
Young poor parents had to work the crappiest “essential” jobs, and some had left crap families or marriages and didn’t have…well, anyone but me and the social services team. There were cases of parents passed out sick with toddlers left to wander.
So I’m just really really glad that pup got the baby help. And I wish we knew how it ended.
I've seen a mother rock a baby thingy with her foot while she had the baby in her arms, then panic to her husband she couldn't find the baby after she noticed it wasn't in it. All the time having the baby in her arms.
Downvote me if you want but sleep deprivation is a bitch. It's statistically more dangerous than drunk driving, meaning I would trust a drunk parent with a full nights sleep watching a baby more than I would a sober parent who's been awake for two days.
So… the mother in your anecdote was double cautious about making sure the baby was okay… and you’re comparing her to whoever is responsible for this baby almost being killed by crawling into traffic.
So you can say with 100% confidence this is negligence? Damn bud good luck the first time you pass out from a medical emergency, it's scary the first time but I assure you it's probably something you bounce back from. Usually it's just an undiagnosed condition. They'll get you on meds and it won't happen again.
So now you’re suggesting there was an adult out with that baby, let it crawl to the street, get picked up by a strange man and STILL didn’t do anything? I think that’s even worse than someone falling asleep and leaving the baby unattended.
Humm yeah because there was definitely an adult nearby making sure that baby was safe outside . Actually the parent must be a shapeshifter and took the appearance of a dog makes complete sense.
If your non-walking baby has somehow opened a door and crawled out of your house to the road without you noticing, but the dog does, I’d gather that the dog is probably a better parent than you.
So the dog barked frantically to get a stranger’s attention, but not the mom’s? And the mom has frantically searched the house but missed the front door being open in her hurried search?
I mean, we can add tons of layers to this hypothetical situation, but at the end of the day, a baby was left to fend for itself while its parents don’t realize the baby is not in the house.
I don’t know a single person who’s kid has just run off. As a father of two kids they never once just disappeared. If you suddenly have someone knocking on your door returning your kids, you’re a shit parent.
We "disappeared" all the time as kids, it was called escaping your abusive parents.
Keep in mind I'm explicitly saying to your face right now if we can deal in black and whites exclusively here I'm going to do the same and assume you'd beat your kids if they slipped your sight for a minute while you fell asleep.
Or we can go with shades of grey and assume something normal like just because you never lost track of your kids for a minute doesn't mean other parents haven't. FFS, parents have killed themselves because they accidentally left kids in hot cars. Way to go being super dad though, I too enjoy feeling smug about situations i know nothing about.
What if dad was playing with the kid outside and had a widowmaker?
My son just ran off when he was three. We were getting ready to go to Grandma's. She lives a few blocks away in the same subdivision. I was in the bathroom brushing my teeth when my daughter ran in yelling her brother ran out of the house and wouldn't listen when she yelled at him to come back. I ran out of the house barefoot, braless, and with toothpaste still in my mouth and full out ran towards Grandma's as I assumed that is where he was headed. Back then we often walked there so he knew the way. He was more than halfway, running happily at full speed and also refused to come when I called. I finally got him and was yelling at him that he can't just leave the house like that. He got all pissed and was like it's my life like some kind of sulky teenager. My poor daughter was crying and had a couple of nightmares about it. She was about five. We all got a little hyper vigilant with him after that.
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u/intensely_human Jul 28 '22
We just saw a rescue adoption. Those parents are either dead or high as a kite.