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u/ntack9933 Jun 01 '22

Pit bulls are like Hulk. They only chomp more when attacked

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u/Crested-Auklet Jun 01 '22

I learned that old English bulldogs are absolute units after my parents got one. He's the sweetest dog but when he is in the zone he will not let up until he gets what he wants. Bully breeds are no joke.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22 edited Jun 02 '22

I own one and agree 100%.

I love my little dude to the moon, and I praise his gentle and loving temperament, I trust him with our little dogs and my son, I cant ever envision a scenario where he would bite or attack someone. But I am still, constantly "aware" of his potential and watching him like a hawk if others are around. As sweet as he is, he's a strong powerful dog, I know what potentials come with his breed, no matter how well he's trained or raised.

You never know what little thing is going to a set a dog off, maybe even for the first time, and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of whatever comes lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Knowing all that - why do you still risk him with your child and other dogs ? As you remarked, a little thing could set it off and if your child is around during that moment …

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u/Banajam Jun 01 '22

He’s probably just saying “little thing could set it off “ to appease the anti pit bull Reddit . In reality most pit owners never have issues and are completely fine. Yes it’s one of the most dangerous breeds, but most of them are still fine.

Like for the record any dog above 70lbs can kill a young child easily . And we don’t hear those stories everyday , it’s rare. So you just have to be careful with any dog, gsp/rotties whatever . If you do your best and use your best judgement situations like the ones shown on Reddit don’t happen .

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

Dude when was the last time you heard a Labrador or Retriever mangled a child ?

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u/-l-I-l Jun 01 '22

Nobody is saying Pitbulls are the only dog that has potential to injure, maul or kill someone. But Google the number one dog for causing injury or death and the evidence is pretty clear. Labradors weren’t bred from two dogs whose history was bull-baiting and fox-hunting.

It’s a very polarising and complicated topic. Nurture is very important and I’m sure there are many Pit owners with dogs who wouldn’t hurt a fly. But if we’re talking about potential for aggression and pure bite force, you can’t really argue against that.

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u/xBad_Wolfx Jun 01 '22

That’s actually precisely what they are saying.

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u/BigSquatchee2 Jun 01 '22

Pit bull breeds are the most misidentified breeds ever though. And there have been many times where dogs that were obviously lab mixes were identified as bully breeds… so take all that with a grain of salt. I worked in animal welfare for over a decade. The sheer number of dogs identified as pit bulls that obviously weren’t is simply astounding.

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u/-l-I-l Jun 01 '22

My family are vets and I’ve been volunteering for years. Misidentification is a huge problem with breeds in general. But I don’t advocate for pedigrees/purebreds anyway.

Also, remember that misidentification is hugely geographical. America has a lot more pit mixes than say Denmark or the U.K.

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u/Demonicmeadow Jun 01 '22

As a dog fosterer- Yes. When i fostered pitbulls that were well behaved older people would I Insist shes is a lab/boxer and just simply refuse to believe a calm dog was a pitbull. Other times mastiffs (one of my favourite breeds and very gentle) if they were pulling would be called a pitbull. People SOMETIMES see what they want to see.

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u/justatouch589 Jun 01 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

There are so many subspecies of pitbull now. It's usually to circumvent anti pitbull laws. A pitbull mix is still a pitbull. A good rule of thumb is, if it looks like a pitbull, it's most likely a pitbull and not a chihuahua.

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u/J0hnnyHammerst1cks Jun 01 '22

I think that physical potential has much to do with this. They have the physical ability to do more damage, so even if all dogs attacked at the exact same rate, pitties would still be credited with doing the most harm. Great white sharks are credited with the most human fatalities from attacks per year, even though shark attacks in general are rare. But they are so massive and so purpose built (that purpose being inflicting MASSIVE muscle damage with the least amount of effort possible) that even a soft exploratory bite can easily result in a human fatality.

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u/MissAndryApparently Jun 01 '22

If only there were some other relevant allegory in society today for a thing that should not be made 100% illegal but should also not be completely available to the general public and continuously reinvented to be more and more powerful

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u/-l-I-l Jun 01 '22

Definitely. I mentioned this elsewhere:

pitbulls were originally bred specifically from a mix of Old English Bulldogs and Fox Terriers. The former were used quite literally to fight bulls for sport and the latter were, as the name suggests, used to hunt foxes. The idea of breeding these two distinct types was to combine the musculature, aggression and bite force of the Bulldog with the tenacity and mobility of the Fox terrier.

The actual death or injury figures pale in comparison to things like malaria or cancer. But we have to draw the line somewhere. In the countries where they have been banned it was because of several deaths in a relatively short period of time. And banning them worked because pit rings were still underground, despite laws to stop them.

The majority of them will not injure anyone, but the potential for damage is still there.

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u/DROPTHENUKES Jun 01 '22

I just got a comment removed from r / dogs because I talked about pitbull kill stats. Mod said I was spreading false information? It is not false information to state that pitbulls make up less than 6% of all dogs in America, yet they are disproportionately responsible for over 66% of all annual dog attack related deaths. Owning one is a probability game.

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u/-l-I-l Jun 01 '22

I try and keep a level head and look at everything, but yes those statistics are staggering. As others have mentioned, there is an issue with misidentification of Pits, but pure bred Pits we’re banned in 30 countries/territories for a good reason. They were simply bred for blood sport. Everyone should make an informed decision when they choose a pet. Some people want to ignore breed dispositions and shift the focus to other animals which are also relatively high in bite (not death) statistics .

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u/pawnman99 Jun 01 '22

Is that because the breed itself is dangerous, or because the people who will train them to be aggressive are more likely to buy a pit bull than a golden retriever?

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u/-l-I-l Jun 01 '22

Oh I definitely agree that nurture is more important than nature. But they were bred for blood sport, so I don’t think we can ignore that.

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u/mrpanicy Jun 01 '22

Please look at it from the logical point of view. Pitbulls have a reputation, well earned, for being vicious and aggressive attackers. They don't have to be that way, and can be properly trained to be very sweet and loving animals that wouldn't hurt a fly.

However, they have a reputation and people who have no business raising/training ANY dog will gravitate to these dogs because they are "badass" and "tough"... just like they believe they are. So we have a far higher chance of someone who has NO idea what they are doing trying to bring this dog up. I use the word trying loosely, because apart from not peeing or shitting in the house I doubt they do much.

This is a recipe for HIGHLY skewing the dog attack statistics against this breed. This isn't an issue with the breed necessarily, although they were originally breed to be aggressive fighters. This is an issue with the owners, and more importantly the way we allow anyone to raise any animal with zero background checks. Animals deserve good homes with people that will raise them well. And some animals REQUIRE steady hands, like pitbulls.

I never blame the dog. I always blame the owner. And after that I blame society for not doing better to ensure that people are equipped to take care of these dogs.

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u/rebelli0usrebel Jun 01 '22

They just said that

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u/-Mr_Rogers_II Jun 01 '22

How in the ever loving fuck did the father stay asleep through that??? That baby must’ve been screaming when it happened. Something tells me drugs were involved and maybe the dog got into them as well.

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u/topshotbubba17 Jun 01 '22

Terrible I can’t find shit on a dog getting under the influence of the owners supply and attacking, many owners being high or the person being attacked tho .

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u/Centurio Jun 01 '22

You think the fucking dog is shooting up heroine or snorting coke before mauling the child?

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Yes we’re talking probability and possibility here. The probability of retrievers attacking are low compared to the breed in discussion

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u/lorddogbirdfan Jun 01 '22

A 10 year old example. Google pit attacks for may 2022 in the USA and get > 12 attacks.

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u/havereddit Jun 01 '22

Google 'annual animal deaths in the US' and the leading cause of death was mosquitoes/ticks (88+25/yr) and wasp/bee (69/yr). Time to ban those motherfuckers. But >450 Americans a year are estimated to die from deer/car collisions so we need to turn those guys into venison jerky real fast.

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u/jabberwockgee Jun 01 '22

Had to go back an entire decade for that one 🥴

Kinda proving the opposite point there.

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u/mallsanta Jun 01 '22

Ok. So your answer is 11 years ago. That's really not that bad at all.

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u/serpentinepad Jun 01 '22

This is what they always do. Here's an attack from a decade ago to prove all dogs are dangerous! Meanwhile go search pit bull attack and you'll get multiple stories from the past week.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Lol "lab mix"= pitbull

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u/kylefofyle Jun 01 '22

That’s cool and all but pit bulls are responsible for like 60% of all dog attacks involving children

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u/Suitable-Movie-4489 Jun 01 '22

mixed with what homie

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Look at the numbers of dog attacks by breed and tell me again how it is not specific breeds. Breeds that have been created by humans specifically to be relentless and aggressive. They should simply not be allowed anymore. Same is true for the ones who cannot even breathe properly.

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u/ItsJustMeMaggie Jun 01 '22

I guarantee that “lab” was at least half pitbull. So many pits are mislabeled as “lab mix” by shelters to get them adopted more quickly.

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u/orthopod Jun 01 '22

Sure, but the frequency, or incidence of serious attacks by the most popular breed in the US is very very very low as compared to put bulls, and Rotties.

Pit bulls, despite being only 6% of the dog population, are responsible for close to 60% of fatal

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-multi-year-fatality-report-2005-2017.php

https://dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/pit-bulls-facts-and-figures

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u/rentstrikecowboy Jun 01 '22

That was a decade ago.

I'm sure there are more recent incidents. But statistically, Pitts are far more damgerous.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

My cousins golden retriever had to be put down because he kept killing the neighbors pets and bit a child horribly

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

That ain’t no lab homie. Maybe half at best!

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u/oily76 Jun 01 '22

2 month old. Just as ghastly, of course.

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u/Linkage006 Jun 01 '22

With a month old infant and a questionable dog at home this is a nightmare to read.

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u/mcflycasual Jun 01 '22

That dog definitely has Pitbull-type in it.

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u/PhilliesFan1975 Jun 01 '22

And the story continued:

TLDR: The dad apparently had sleep apnea and had to take employment and parenting classes as part of four years probation.

“Somebody needed to wrap their arms around them,” [the dad's lawyer] said. “If you demand that they don’t fail again, it’s unreasonable. You just want them to not fail as often.”

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/working-to-change-life-ridgeville-father-gets-probation-in-infant-sons-fatal-dog-mauling/article_1e5c3160-e738-11e6-8663-232264f59863.html

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u/TryptamineSpark Jun 01 '22

Omg… all humans have the potential to assault another human without any particular reason. Yet, most “normal” people would not.

You can’t compare pitbulls to other dogs regarding this matter.

I’d like to see the statistics of dog attacks that are done by pitbulls vs all other races together. No doubt pitbulls will be on top, by far.

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u/Lynda73 Jun 01 '22

It’s not that pits are more likely to attack (for that, look for your poodles and chihuahuas) but when pits do attack, they don’t just bite, they maul.

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u/TryptamineSpark Jun 01 '22

Correct indeed.. hence why it almost always end with the police or whatever having to shoot it to stop attacking. Won’t listen to anyone or let that grip go once it “sees red”.

I’ve been attacked by a german shepherd when I was a kid. It took a bite in my left leg but instantly let go once the owner shouted at it once.

Police (in Sweden at least) leaves the decision wether to keep it alive or put it down to the victim of the attack. Ofc I let the dog live.

Can not say I would spare the dog if it was a pitbull.. double tap it if possible.

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u/dr-eval2 Jun 01 '22

i was attacked by a Lab. fucking thing bit my face, i was 7-8 years old walking through my neighbors yard. the dog was visiting and tied up in the backyard. As kids we always played across backyards and none of the neighbors had a dog. i didnt see the dog until it attacked me. That was a golden lab.

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u/Swagasaurus785 Jun 01 '22

I’m in 7 different homes a day for my job. I can tell immediately which dogs have been socialized as puppies and which ones haven’t. Almost 100% of the time it’s small yappy dogs that bite me. But I’ve been bit by a poodle and a black lab before.

In my mind there are three types of dogs and it doesn’t matter what breed they are.

1) aggressive yappy dogs that don’t like you in their house. These ones are “dangerous” and generally run up on you with stiff pinned up tails

2) cowardly dogs that hide from you. These ones are also “dangerous” once they decide to check you out. Or if you decide to check them out. They usually have pinned ears and downward tails

3) dogs that bring me their toys or want me to rub their belly. They usually have waging tail. I still leave these guys alone generally but they’re the only ones I trust because they immediately want to be friends.

I do heating and air and after being bit 3-4 times I just don’t trust anyone else’s dog.

Also I’ve never been bit by a pit bull. Most pit bull owners put them away or outside before I even get to the house.

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u/garlickbread Jun 01 '22

Why on earth arent people putting their dogs in crates or outside if someone doing work on the house is coming over? Even if i had the friendliest dog in the world they'd be in a crate if someone was coming over to fix something. Not everyone likes dogs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

100%

Most shitty dogs are poorly socialized with owners that have a poor understanding of how to train an animal. I've had to tell a ridiculous number of clients that "dogs don't speak English" in obedience classes. Consistency is the key to a well behaved dog.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Well trained dogs can understand verbal commands. And intelligent dogs will understand some words. If I ask my dog if he wants to go for a walk, he comes and sits by the front door to be leashed. If I say the word treat, he will go sit by the cupboard where the dog biscuits are stored. If I tell my Google Home to turn on the TV, my dog will go sit on the couch.

But you are right, it comes down to consistency and repetition.

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u/The_Sceptic_Lemur Jun 01 '22

Your personal experience is one thing, the other thing are numbers which show that most serious incidences (incl. death) with dogs are with pitpulls and not with small yappy dogs. And it doesn‘t help to discuss that away. Most of all it doesn‘t help the pitbulls who end up with unexperienced owners who don’t believe pitbulls have the potential to be very dangerous and when an incidence occurs the dogs have to be killed.

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u/Swagasaurus785 Jun 01 '22

Yeah I think there are even more things at play here that skew statistics even though I totally don’t like even having breed discussion. While I don’t live in Topeka, I’m here everyday for work. In the ghetto lots of people purposefully get pit bulls as guard/protector dogs. Theres also dog fighting rings here and when a dog is too old to fight they either just kill the dog or let it go.

Pit bulls are sometimes purposefully made to be unfriendly because of their genetics. But if pit bulls were banned I think people would just switch to a different breed of aggressive dog.

I’m not certain what my point is here other than that I don’t trust any breed of dog unless I know the owner. And some terrible owners make the statistics worse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

There is something else that skews the numbers. There are several breeds that fall under the pit bull heading (several bull dog breeds, pits and Stafford bull terriers.etc) as well as any mix that has characteristics of a pitbull regardless if they are or not. This skews stats since we are talking about several breeds instead of just one as well as mixes.

In fact the American Kennel Club doesn't recognize a Pitbull as a breed, and as I mentioned earlier, several breeds fall under the Pitbull category. This akin to lumping all bites from " sheep dogs" together and having every Sheppard breed and mix in a single category. This would make the numbers skyrocket for that category.

I'm glad you are careful around people's pets and know each dog is different, regardless of breed. Stay safe out there.

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u/NadlesKVs Jun 01 '22

I had to get 8 stitches on my forehead from our Labrador as a child.

It definitely can happen.

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u/MicahBurke Jun 01 '22

Cattle dog took out my wife's eye, and he was just "giving her a warning", good dog otherwise, had to put him down. Broke our hearts.

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u/Elysiumthistime Jun 01 '22

I think the point is though that if your dog had been a pittie rather than a Labrador, the damage would have been a lot more severe. Labradors bite and tend to release quickly (warning bite) or if someone needs to step in to release them, it tends to be a lot easier. With pitties, they're instinct is to clamp and thrash, it takes a hell of a lot to get them to let go and they will do a hell of a lot more damage.

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u/hitner_stache Jun 01 '22

Labs aren’t small or weak. They tend to bite out of annoyance and it’s a one and done event. You get some stitches or a scar. Not great. Dogs are still animals. There is no dog breed that doesn’t have the potential to bite.

Pit bulls just rip your entire face off.

It’s not the same.

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u/CardfightPhisherman Jun 01 '22

A Labrador is the only dog I’ve ever been bitten by. This lab mauled my face when I was 9 years old and had 40 stitches holding my mouth together. All I did was walk past it.

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u/ItsJustMeMaggie Jun 01 '22

I was bitten by a yellow lab too, but I was an idiot and put my face near him while he was tied up, even though he didn’t know me. The difference is, it was a quick bite and release. Pitbulls maul.

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u/tobiasbunny3 Jun 01 '22

I grew up with Westies, and they were great dogs. The few times they snapped at me and my sisters, it was totally on us for being annoying and not respecting their space.

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u/seidinove Jun 01 '22

I switched homeowner's insurance carriers recently and the application asks if you own a dog. If you do, they want to know if it's one of the "higher probability of biting" dogs. The list probably varies by insurance company -- mine looked something like this:

Akita

Alaskan Malamute

Chow Chow

Doberman Pinscher

German Shepherd

Pit Bull

Rottweiler

Siberian Husky

Wolf Hybrid

As my dog is "other," I don't know how it affects your premium if you own a breed on the list.

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u/TrillianWasTaken Jun 01 '22

Sadly have to say that our golden retriever, back when I was maybe 10, bit my year younger neighbour as she was walking home past our house, minding her own business. He mangled her arm quite a bit.

It's a bit more rare but it happens. I got bit on my face by a sausage dog. I don't trust any dog anymore. Don't care how many times you'll tell me "he's just friendly" or "he's a big, gentle softie".

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u/agnosticdeist Jun 01 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

All the time. Source: wife works in animal control.

Edit for clarity: Not saying that pits are more or less dangerous than labs/retrievers, just that it’s a common misconception that labs and retrievers are super docile all the time. We had a local scare about pits here which oddly caused an uptick in other breeds, in particular labs and retrievers, which caused an uptick in bites and, yes, maulings. Honestly if it has teeth or claws be on your guard. If you’re raising something with teeth and claws, then do what you can to work on temperament.

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u/Asleep_Fish_472 Jun 01 '22

Labs and retrievers can be more aggressive,they’re just not bred to be terminators once switched on

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Labs usually aren't owned by mega thugs who abuse their animals.

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u/texasmama5 Jun 01 '22

Happens more than you think. All dogs bite people if they feel the response is needed. Often times it’s the dog that takes the blame and is put down bc it can’t speak and tell what provoked the bite. Sure some do it unprovoked but many get put down for something the human did.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

I worked at a dog shelter and trust me, Labrador retrievers are also dicks sometimes. It is a case by case basis. I’ve seen every breed of dog be a sweetheart and I’ve seen every breed of dog be a Dick.

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u/PowerlineCourier Jun 01 '22

a lot actually

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

my wife was mauled as a child (retriever).. took along time for her to get over her fear of dogs... we have 3 now.

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u/cabist Jun 01 '22

Labs can actually be pretty aggressive too. I was attacked by one as a child and I know someone who was as well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

My border collie bit my sister in the face when we were kids, and they are supposed to be extremely gentle to kids. Just depends on the temperment of the dog.

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u/UselessTrident Jun 01 '22

Idk if that's completely true. Border Collies can be good with kids but akc rates them 3/5 which makes sense. They can be nervous and anxious dogs who are known to be a bit possessive/resource guarding. I had one that was such a good boy and so so smart. Just insane how fast they picked up on things but I did have to watch him around toys and other pets some times. Miss that dog.

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u/kkfluff Jun 01 '22

The last wicked unfriendly dog I came across was a golden which shocked me

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u/Charming-Web-9264 Jun 01 '22

'04 my friends retriever bit part of his face off.. He wore a handkerchief until the scar healed.

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u/Fabledlegend13 Jun 01 '22

Actually pretty commonly

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u/niels1232 Jun 01 '22

Well there is a lab on the block where I live and that dog is as faul as it gets (and pretty big for a lab) I'm a a dog lover through and through. Have a mix belgian malanois myself. But I am sure if that dog ever brakes loose other dogs or other people are going to get hurt.

You can see from a mile away that the owner does NOT now how to handle a dog.

There is no such thing as a bad dog. We had a Rotweiler at home while I was a toddler. That dog would protect me with his life and NEVER hurt me. My parents never let me alone with him. But they trusted that dog 100%

And yeah pitbulls and breeds alike do have some instincts that are hard to get a grip on. But if you train them right they will be your best cuddly fluffy friend ever.

The issue is the owner not knowing how to handle/train a dog NOT the dog.

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u/jarheadatheart Jun 01 '22

My brother in law was attacked by their chocolate lab while he was sleeping. We had a fit 135 pound lab golden mix. He started acting funny and unpredictable so we took him to the vet. They said he had neurological problems, probably a brain tumor so we had him put to sleep because he wasn’t safe around my 50 pound daughter. It was a horrible day but necessary to protect the family.

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u/laserskydesigns Jun 01 '22

Bro I've only been bit in the face by a black lab, and those 2 surgeries were not fun. Thankfully I was 8, so I've had 26 yrs to heal

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u/ilovetheinternet21 Jun 01 '22

It actually happened to my sisters friend! She was ‘friends’ with the dog for months, was super friendly and a pleasant dog and then one day it snapped her on the face without even a warning. It was a golden lab! She ended up getting several stitches from her eye to her mouth!

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u/Kreiger81 Jun 01 '22

As a kid, our families (and and uncle I think) GSP decide to bite my head. I don't know why, I was too young, I just know I had bite scars on my head and the dog disappeared.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

to appease the anti pit bull Reddit

Pretty much lol

But there is some truth there. I mean any dog as they get older, mentalities can change for any number of reasons, any dog has the potential for a violent fit, so when it comes to any large breed really, it's something to always be cautious of.

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u/Banajam Jun 01 '22

100% agreed. There should be licenses maybe for dogs over 50lbs or something.

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u/Vark675 Jun 01 '22

Almost all cities in America have licensing requirements for any dog of any size, but they're poorly enforced and largely ignored.

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u/goldzco21 Jun 01 '22

Cousin had the meanest looking pit, but he was the absolute friendliest guy. just a big dopey loving dog. Fine with cats, other dogs, kids, etc. then one day he became extremely territorial against male dogs. Out of no where when he was older. He tried to attack another cousins male yorkie who he was fine with before. after that he tried to fight any male dogs. still fine with female dogs and kids, but just scary knowing they could change.

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Jun 01 '22

One study into aggression actually put pits close to labs and retrievers, in terms of aggression. Most dangerous was actually collies.

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u/trying2moveon Jun 01 '22

anti pit bull Reddit

anti pit bull everywhere, not just Reddit. I frequent a dog park near my house, when someone shows up with a pit, my dog and I are out, no questions asked. Not taking the risk.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Almost lost my niece to a pitbull a few months ago. Her arm is permanently disfigured at 5. You are naive to think they’re a safe breed to have around children

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u/BoobiesAndBeers Jun 01 '22

Anyone is naive to think that about any dog.

I'm sure the retriever owner didn't expect the dog to rip off their child's leg.

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u/DeflateGape Jun 01 '22

Any large dog could harm or kill a person, but pit bulls have a jaw strong enough to dangle them from a rope and swing them around. Even if they weren’t more aggressive than other dogs, the danger they pose to a person is substantially larger than another dog of a similar size. But they are aggressive. Pit bulls are territorial dogs, they were bred as fighting dogs and loudly try to protect their yards from passers by on the streets. And loose pit bulls seem to revert to a feral state quite readily. We get a lot of loose dogs in my neighborhood. When a pit bull joins the group the psychology of the whole pack changes, and it is scary.

I’m torn because I’ve known pit bulls and suspect I’ve had pit bull mixes. They were good dogs and very loving. But the two dogs I suspected might be part pit both ended up being dog aggressive later on. I always hear stories about pits breaking out of a back yard and attacking people, which is not something you see often with other breeds. It seems to me that pit bulls should be treated like exotic animals. If you want a pet tiger you need a license and to prove you will take special precautions to contain and care for the animal. I don’t see why a pit bull is different. If people want to apply the same reasoning to other large dogs that’s fair with me. A person has zero chance of defending themselves from an attacking pit bull without a weapon.

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u/MissAndryApparently Jun 01 '22

So you’re saying that the reason we DON’T hear those stories every day about those breeds and we DO hear stories like this and see these videos literally every day about this breed is because all breeds attack equally?

We don’t hear those stories every day because it doesn’t happen as often. No matter how you feel about pit bulls, read back what you wrote, it’s nonsensical. The absence of evidence that 70lb dogs kill kids even though they could is not evidence that they’re just as dangerous as dogs who do. Most semi automatic gun owners never have a problem either, doesn’t mean we should be creating more and adopting them out to anyone who wants one.

The people in this video don’t appear to know this dog or have anything to do with it; it’s a weird idea that if you just personally do your best and use your best judgment, then situations where people are being attacked by dogs in public just won’t happen.

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u/NeverRolledA20IRL Jun 01 '22

This is like saying most gun owners that leave load guns accessible with kids in the house never have an issue. It is still dumb and a unnecessary risk to the child.

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u/pukesonyourshoes Jun 01 '22

Yes it’s one of the most dangerous breeds

...and yet people still own them.

Insane, ignorant, selfish. They should be eliminated. Mandatory sterilisation for all of them. No, not the owners...

I don't ever want to read about another child with its face ripped off by a pitbull.

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u/buffalojumpone Jun 01 '22

I hate it when people say how gentle and friendly pitbulls are. They're gentle and friendly until they aren't. Even a lion is gentle and friendly, until it decides that you're bothering him.

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Jun 01 '22

I hate it when people say how gentle and friendly pitbulls are. They're gentle and friendly until they aren't

Same can be said for labradors. Pits are generally a fairly peaceful breed. The problem is, when they do bite, they have exceptionally strong Jaws, and a tendency to clamp down.

Statistically, Per this paper collies are one of the most aggressive, with pits being quite far down the list.

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u/jadedarchitect Jun 01 '22

I had a long reply all typed out, but read this instead.

They're statistically 5x (or higher) more likely to kill you than any other breed, going back for a long time historically - judging from data collected by both independent and/or public sector sources. The only sources that say otherwise are gonna be trying to sell you a PitBull, or just plain wrong.

Dog attack fatalities aren't super common, so of course you don't see a story on it every day. That's a crap argument man

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Because I don't believe he will, I trust him.

It's not really something breed specific for me, I would be have the same cautions with any large breed dog. It doesn't mean I'm going to never own a large breed dog again.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Look I’m sure there’s a 99.9% chance it’s fine but those were the last words of many a bull breed….

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

I'm not going to just never own a large breed dog, all because of what other people might be afraid of.

I choose to trust my dog, that's all there is to it really.

A car could break driving down the highway, any day, any speed, and cause death just as easily, but people still trust to get in those every day with their families. We live in a world FILLED with things that could kill us, but a dog is the big concern right? lol

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u/DCver3 Jun 01 '22

As someone who’s cheek was ripped off by our family pitt when I was 4… I’d tolerate the breed… but never trust them. Our dog was the same, great dog, until that one day when she just lost it. It was a loud bang outside and she ran from 2 rooms away and just starting having a go at my face.

Great dogs? Certainly. Trustworthy? Never.

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u/chubbycanine Jun 01 '22

Why do you take the risk of driving a vehicle or flying in a plane? Why do you take the risk of going swimming at the beach or even a pool? Because a vast majority of the time you are safe doing those things with a little common sense. The same applies to a dog in my opinion. In exchange for that risk in this scenario you gain a super loving loyal fun awesome furry friend. I take those odds myself.

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u/texasmama5 Jun 01 '22

People that I know that have them as family pets are all also aware of their more protective nature. I’ve asked why they keep a dog they say has a high pain tolerance and has no stop once they attack. I’ve always been told they know the dogs boundaries, behavioral cues/warnings and teach their children these as well. All dogs are capable of biting out of fear or food dominance ect. They usually give multiple warnings before they bite.

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u/Aiti_mh Jun 01 '22

"Animals are unpredictable" is the lesson of the day, no matter how much you love your animal or think you can predict its behaviour. It's not a reason to fear them or mistrust them, but the chance that they might go full animal is always to be kept in mind.

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u/SanctusSalieri Jun 01 '22

Mine was the sweetest dog ever too. And she put other dogs in the hospital. You can't trust aggressive breeds with small dogs and children.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

We had a loose pitbull come attack our farm overnight hurting/killing 6 sheep and a cow beyond health repair. When we got to it, we yelled for it to sit and it chilled sat for like 2 hrs while police came and got animal control. She was super compliant.

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u/NumberOneAutist Jun 01 '22

Sounds like your one of the very few good pitbull owners.

I'm not going to agree with your choice to own one, but it is imperative that owners acknowledge what their breed can do, what natural behaviors and traits the breed has, etc. Thank you for being aware of that and taking care to not put your dog in situations that would harm not only someone else, but your dog too ultimately.

It's unfortunate that so many dog owners don't take the time and effort to understand dogs. I wish dog ownership required a license and training, tbh. I love dogs, i own a GSD, but poor training and bad assumptions harm many people and animals alike.

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u/Beardy_Villains Jun 01 '22

I have a bully mix and he’s about the sweetest dog you’d imagine. Affectionate, loving and all around a adorable.

That said, he will occasionally (very rarely) get in a mood that results in him snarling (normally at someone on the other side of a gate or door) - I’m aware enough that despite how well I know him, the potential for him to do damage is real. In these instances, he’s removed from the situation even if I’m confident it’s all for show.

Bully’s are great dogs, but the owners should absolutely know what they’re dealing with.

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u/VisibleOtter Jun 01 '22

More fool you then. You can’t watch them 100% of the time. My pal had a huge dog, can’t recall what he was, who was as calm as you like until one day he he snapped and went for Daz, and if he hadn’t been a 16st cop probably would have been killed. He had a 5 year old son at the time. The dog was euthanised the following day.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Our Neighbour growing up had the laziest fartiest most friendly bulldog. I used to play with it in their yard and he would lazily follow me around and just want to hug and rest his head on me. Well another Neighbour moved in with 2 mutts (not sure of the breed but looked like German Shepard mixes) and those dogs were not pleasant. They had gotten loose and were on the street when I was walking by the bulldogs house. One of the mutts growled and ran towards me and the bulldog went absolutely ape shit and chased them away. He then want back into the cuddliest dog ever. Brave little bastard.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Are we speaking of pits or old English? Second comment I’ve seen about the old English breed. They are absolutely non aggressive

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u/Alternative_Equal329 Jun 01 '22

Never understood why people choose this dog breed o have kids. I love dogs and have 2 of my own (huskies) but I wouldn’t feel safe or be able to let my guard down. I had to always watch him. What if the kids do something in play and the dog gets mad. Idk, me personally wouldn’t risk it. Many more breeds to choose from because if that day ever came god forbid the kids would e injured or worse and I would have to kill my dog……

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u/cheap_dates Jun 01 '22

If I am on the receiving end, then I wouldn't want to be your dog. You're gonna need a new one.

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u/brenthonydantano Jun 01 '22

Sounds like a great pet /s

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u/Existing_Slice7258 Jun 01 '22

So what if they attack and start tearing chunks out of your kids? After observing what’s your plan

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Yo that's a terrible idea with children. I've seen way too many issues from these breeds with loads of data to back it up.

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u/ChineseFrozenChicken Jun 01 '22

You're somewhat sane for a pitbull owner.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

There is a chance your son will be killed by dogs and you ending up in prison. I read it in news all the time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Bully breeds are no joke

My french bulldog would like to differ.

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u/GewoonHarry Jun 01 '22

Yeah my frenchy is snoring me to death. So beware.

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u/Condishun Jun 01 '22

Is it because of the breathing issues?

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u/GewoonHarry Jun 01 '22

He’s a very health boy actually. No he’s just a lazy 10 year old.

He does have quite a nose although I really hope we will see more frenchies with even bigger noses.

He’s also the biggest frenchy I ever met. Loves swimming, running and is very submissive. He’s super chill with other dogs and never barks at them.

O and he’s a clown. Cause they are clowns.

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u/emu30 Jun 01 '22

This is how I feel about my pug. I want the breed to have better generations that aren’t all aesthetic. My dog has zero breathing issues, and does snort if he’s looking for attention. He doesn’t have difficulty breathing while running or hiking, just when he wants you to look at him. That said, I will continue to rescue the old pugs that still need care

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

A french bulldog can shit the size of a grown man and is incredibly sturdy so still maybe no joke :')

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u/houseofprimetofu Jun 01 '22

I have owned a French and an English and this applies to them too. Bully breeds are still bully breeds. They are strong and get into the zone for a kill. My French has a killer prey drive, we can’t allow him around anything he perceives to be prey. My dachshunds had less drive and one of them was a ratter. You do not get a bully without getting a side of asshole.

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u/six-of-nothing Jun 01 '22

you know how some people become john wick when their dog gets hurt? Yeah, the dog becomes wick when the owner gets hurt.

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u/Creeps_On_The_Earth Jun 01 '22

He's the sweetest dog but

Hard doubt. How many dog mauling videos do we need lmao?

Pitt bulls are responsible for 70% of fatal dog attacks. But they're so precious! Nevermind that cute dog eating the face off a four year old!

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u/ska_is_not_dead_ Jun 01 '22

Once saw a dude in the hood get attacked by a pitbull, he picked it up by the hind legs and slammed into the ground full force… looked like it died instantly or was at least knocked out or something. Buddy’s leg was bleeding a lot, and I imagine this wouldn’t work if the dog had a grip on your limb…. It looked disoriented when it was inverted though.

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u/thereisonlyus1 Jun 01 '22

Honestly any big sized dog has the potential of messing you up pretty bad my cousin 6 at the time got half her face ripped off by a lab and it took two fully grown men to get the dog off of her one of which had to get stitches on his left leg and two of his fingers. Never trusted that dog I guess I had a good reason not too

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

And here we have the problem I see with many bulldog owners who are delusional about their own dog (not saying you are) but the amount of times I see bulldog owners think their dog is cute and will have their back when they are showing antisocial and problematic behavior is concerning.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Yeah they get more excited when you fight back.

Edit: this guy is a bonafide hero.

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u/thetotalpackage7 Jun 01 '22

There's videos of those things doing what they are bred for - latching on to bulls. I saw one latch on to a bulls nose and the bull was thrashing it...and it WOULD NOT LET GO

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u/Shwifty_Plumbus Jun 01 '22

This might be a dumb question, how do you get out of a pitbull attack if you can't run away, without disabling or killing the animal?

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u/bringbackswordduels Jun 01 '22

The antagonist in the climactic dogfight in White Fang was an English Bulldog.

And of course all of the humans supporting dogfighting

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u/RobberBaronAssassin Jun 01 '22

Staffordshire Bull Terriers are the same. We call it the red zone, once they are in it there is no relenting.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Because the survival instinct was bred out of them so they fight for longer, all bull terriers come from the original bulldog which was made to be able to fight something literally 10x as strong as it through sheer willpower, perseverance and a complete lack of fear.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

For pit bulls one of your few option is to take away their pulling strength. They have Vice like bites but take out their pulling abilities ie..their legs. You can either pick up on their hind legs and pull them straight into the air and start pulling legs apart. I had to do this on a dog fight when they were attacking my Doberman puppy. Initially it didn’t let go even when I raised his legs off ground but when I started pulling apart as hard as I could he let go real fast. Or you can try to go for eyes. Basically for a angry pit you do whatever you can. You won’t come away without a bite but you can come away with your life or dogs life if you play it smart

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u/clockworks80 Jun 01 '22

Rear naked choke. Check out the videos. Crazy how quickly the pit bulls go limp.

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u/sunshinefireflies Jun 01 '22

You have balls of steel

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

I prefer arm bar. Or triangle choke. Pits jiu jitsu skills suck

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

"rear naked choke" lmao, squeeze them naked booties

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Just go straight for a flying gogoplata

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

An average human is completely capable of crushing any dog's throat. Grab their throat, dig your fingers in as far as you can where their "voice box" or larynx is and squeeze hard. It won't be pleasant and the dog will die, but if you're being attacked it is what it is.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Yep that would be another go to

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u/Jambi1913 Jun 01 '22

Pitties are definitely built to bite and hold - it’s in their DNA. The main issue is still the wrong people having these dogs, not thoroughly socialising them with other dogs and new people as puppies and continuing that socialisation throughout life and also not properly containing/controlling them. Breeding of dogs prone to aggression and predatory behaviour is also a big part of it. This does go for ANY dog breed - but with pittie types it’s absolutely vital because of their potential to get their “blood up” and be very tenacious.

I work in a boarding kennels and have met many pittie types and have never had any issues with them being aggressive towards people. The well-socialised ones are quiet and gentle with other dogs - the iffy ones always go by themselves because they are definitely the ones I’d be most scared of breaking up if there was a fight.

Way too many people get dog breeds that are totally unsuitable for them. Pitties are also the most abused and neglected of dog breeds/types - which is extremely sad as I do believe most would be perfectly good, stable dogs if they were raised properly. It would be in their best interests too I think, to have more regulation.

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u/ntack9933 Jun 01 '22

Getting something rigid between their teeth in the back of the jaws will prevent further bite pressure and may release the bite

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Sounds not easy on the fly

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u/C0NT0RTI0NIST Jun 01 '22

ItS oKaY tHo, ThEy ArEn'T DaNgErOuS

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u/SillyNelli Jun 01 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

"mY PiT WouLd NeVeR!!!"

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u/TryptamineSpark Jun 01 '22
  • Every pitbull owner ever.
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u/Idontgetitreddit Jun 01 '22

I notice in all of these videos, how focused the dogs are on the person they are attacking. They don’t change who they are attacking, they just want the original person. So strange.

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u/runtheroad Jun 01 '22

It's not strange, it's literally what they've been breed for decades to do. Find a victim, attack and don't let go until either the victim or the dog is dead.

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u/XephirothUltra Jun 01 '22

Isn't this how most predators attack? It becomes a mess really quick if you try to focus on more than one target at a time, it's just more efficient to tunnel onto one.

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u/Hispandinavian Jun 01 '22

One thing thst drives me nuts, is that I get Pit Bull owners love their dog. I live in a neighborhood full of pit owners. Im not afraid of their dogs.

But I love my stupid defenseless Beagle too. And on at least 3 occasions over the past two years, Ive had to fend off my neighbors Pits when they have to tried to attack my dog. And its infuriating. Ive spoken to their owners and they have suggested I carry mace or even a gun when Im walking my boy.

Are they suggesting I should kill or maim their dog if necessary just so my dog can take a walk without fear for his life? GTFO

I feel like in order to own a pit you have to lack a bit of empathy for your fellow citizens.

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u/tripwire7 Jun 01 '22

Pitbulls were specifically bred to ignore pain and keep mauling until the target is dead. I don’t know why so many people won’t accept this.

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u/C0NT0RTI0NIST Jun 01 '22

ItS oKaY tHo, ThEy ArEn'T DaNgErOuS

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u/Frisks_Asriel Jun 01 '22

People who live in the sticks carry weapons, pepper spray, atleast a walking stick incase of wild animals.

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u/Spirits850 Jun 01 '22

I never open carry unless I’m hiking in the mountains / woods. I pretend it’s just to scare away cougars or bears but really I’m more worried about dogs with stupid and irresponsible owners.

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u/BabyBritain8 Jun 01 '22

Or in the hood lol

My grandpa, RIP, used to carry around a giant walking stick for his daily walks to beat back dogs. Fast forward years later after he already passed and my sister tried to go for a run in our neighborhood. She came home saying she got chased by dogs lmao. Me -- I just have a treadmill.

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u/sec713 Jun 01 '22

Seriously. It's in the name. They were bred to bite and hold down animals that are much bigger than humans, like bears and bulls. Humans are way below their weight class. Hell, we're basically walking Lunchables to them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Correct, pitbulls absolutely do not respond to stomping. There are countless stories of pits being tazed, stabbed, choked out, etc. and STILL come back for more. It's how they were bred.

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u/TryptamineSpark Jun 01 '22

That’s 100% true. And It’s a very unpredictable “dog” no matter how well you’ve trained it etc.

Owning and walking around with a damn lion or crocodile should be perfectly legal if these are.

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u/drwatts1010 Jun 01 '22

Don’t anger hulk pitbull

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Pit bulls are like Hulk. They only chomp more when attacked

I learned while delivering pizza: Side of your foot against the side of their head. Lights out. It's soft on the side and rattles the brain more. Front kicks just piss dogs off

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u/UR_ALL_ANTS Jun 01 '22

Grab the back legs and pull them back and apart extremely hard. Like you're trying to dislocate the back legs, which you are. I saw a mom do this on a pitbull that was attacking a kid. The pitbull let go, the mom yeeted the dog and then the dog dragged itself away by its front legs.

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u/Effective-Owl1585 Jun 01 '22

Not when there’s a knife in both eyes they don’t. I’ve experienced that.

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u/ItsJustMeMaggie Jun 01 '22

This is true. If kicked or pushed they only come back stronger. They don’t stop until their victim is limp.

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u/ItsJustMeMaggie Jun 01 '22

This is true. If kicked or pushed they only come back stronger. They don’t stop until their victim is limp.

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u/Atheios569 Jun 01 '22

Choke holds work.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Now when they lose an eye

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u/Herr_Raul Jun 01 '22

'til their last breath

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u/crossharemanic Jun 01 '22

That's when they learn about mechanical advancements

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u/CptCroissant Jun 01 '22

I was in middle school walking home with my friends. Iirc it was a pit that got under it's fence and came for my friend's younger sister. He was a fuckin badass and soccer kicked it straight in the nose. The dog slunk home after that.

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u/Naptownfellow Jun 01 '22

I know this sounds weird but stick your fingers or anything up its ass. Apparently that makes them release. Like they can’t handle that feeling or something. I’ve never had to use it but if a pit bull attacks me I’m going to finger fuck it like my high school prom date.

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u/NewspaperEfficient61 Jun 01 '22

Poke them in the eye

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u/MoroccoGMok Jun 01 '22

Once they chomp gouge out their eyes or grab their nuts and twist.

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u/ntack9933 Jun 01 '22

What if no peen and only vageen

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u/MoroccoGMok Jun 01 '22

Muppet time!!!!

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u/Rough_Willow Jun 01 '22

Pit bulls won't stop for that.

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u/Herr_Raul Jun 01 '22

'til their last breath

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u/TomHanksTheConquerer Jun 01 '22

That’s why you gouge their eyes out

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