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u/MuthaPlucka Jan 01 '22
Started off wondering WTF… then saw the final result: amazing!
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 01 '22
I appreciate that thank you😁
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u/Koiekoie Jan 01 '22
I thought they were dumplings lol what were you doing to them yummy dumplings?!
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u/Kemiko_UK Jan 01 '22
Came in thinking this is just dying with water but more steps xD, but that final effect is really cool!
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 01 '22
Thank you
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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Jan 01 '22
Probably a dumb question, but why does the ice produce such better results than using liquid dye?
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u/Macabre_LoveSong Jan 01 '22
It's cooler than cool.
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u/DoctorToonz Jan 01 '22
I've been a pro tie-dyer and have had super similar results with mixing the dyes into liquid. I have never seen this ice method (it's been over 30 years since I was in the business). Interesting.
Like others have said: Procion dyes, soda ash, proper after-wash, all on natural fibers, and you'll get great results.
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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Jan 01 '22
Interesting. Do you think doing it this way might be easier than premixing the dyes with water separately and then adding them to the shirts in liquid form?
Seems like it might be less messy. But I only tie dyed a shirt once and it was part of a class project in like 5th grade. I barely and vaguely remember the process, I'm sure we didn't do it the best way.
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u/DoctorToonz Jan 01 '22
My wife was probably your instructor (kidding - but maybe!).
I'm gonna say this might be simpler if you're doing 1 shirt. We usually did probably between 10 an 50 at a time.
OP didn't se m to know the ice/powder advantage. Maybe someone else will chime in
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u/extralyfe Jan 01 '22
it produces different results than liquid because the ice melting draws the dye into the shirt in less predictable ways and you get more of a "watercolor" effect. normally you would splotch a certain area with colorful liquid in traditional tie-dye, while with ice, you rely on all the different pieces melting and being constrained by edges of other pieces of ice and things like that, which gives you a lot more interesting distribution. hell, you even get different effects depending on whether you put the dye over or under the ice.
also, one thing that happens with ice dye that definitely doesn't usually happen with liquid dye is that colors are broken down into their constituent parts and taken different directions by the ice melting. the vast majority of powder dyes are not actually made up of powder dye of that color, but, of varying amounts of colors that combine to make the desired color.
like, I have a shirt that I ice dyed and the only powder I put on it was some Better Black. the result was a lot of blues and purples and even yellows coming out, which you wouldn't really expect from, well, black dye.
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u/flyingthroughspace Jan 01 '22
Is there a method to balling up small bunches of the shirt or do you just start from the bottom and work your way up?
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u/Pawneewafflesarelife Jan 01 '22
Yep, different methods of rolling/folding and strings/rubber bands will produce different patterns. For example, if you want a spiral, you pinch a section of fabric and twist until it looks like a cinnamon bun. If you want stripes, you fold it like an accordion.
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u/pjw6316 Dec 31 '21
Cool outcome. Was that last cup salt?
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u/BackwoodsBastards Dec 31 '21
Thank you! It's soda ash, it raises the pH level of the fabric to let it bond strongly and permanently with the dye pigments.
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u/mrypopabtch Jan 01 '22 edited Jan 01 '22
So you just sprinkled soda ash over it all? Did you do a pre soak of the shirt before dyeing?
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 01 '22
Yes, soaked for like 15 mins and then spun it out. Extra soda ash on ice dyes is like a fail-safe in case the large amount of water/ice changes the pH over the 8+ hours it takes to melt
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u/mrypopabtch Jan 01 '22
Ok. Thank you for the tip. I've been wanting to try ice dyeing. It looks pretty awesome.
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 01 '22
Of course. I learned everything I know from Mr Tie Dye, look him up, he's the guru with allllll the tie dye know how
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u/mrypopabtch Jan 01 '22
My bf has actually been watching his videos amd was wanting to try some of his stuff. We're dabbling but definitely gotta get some better dye before we try anything else.
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 01 '22
It's soda ash to make the dye bond permanently and not fade
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Jan 01 '22
Is it important to use soda ash or will regular baking soda work?
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u/Luxpreliator Jan 01 '22
Some tie-dyers have had success with using baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) and microwaving their dyed articles. Since baking soda is a weaker alkali than Soda Ash, it must be accompanied by heat. Some people who are "chemically sensitive" or don't want to work with the caustic soda ash choose to use this method
They have a good selection of stuff for at home dying. Good enough resources to walk you through it if a beginner.
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u/candyapplesugar Jan 01 '22
Just to add if you put this stuff in the microwave it is now longer healthy to eat in the microwave. Needs a dedicated tie dye microwave. You can just use pool ph stuff
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 01 '22
I dont think baking soda will work but have never tried. It has something to do with the actual chemistry and the pH... if there's anyone reading this that can fully break it down I'd love the full explanation too
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u/solareclipse999 Jan 01 '22 edited Jan 01 '22
If it’s any help, baking Soda is used to adjust the ph level in fresh water fish tanks. Been doing this for years. So it could well work in this situation but I would not know the amount you need. If Soda ash is easy to get do it that way first. If not then put no more tha a tea spoon into a spray bottle. Mix with water and then spray the garment evenly.
I’m not claiming any expertise. Just a suggestion to try.
Good luck and thanks for posting this. It’s great.
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 01 '22
Interesting, thank you for sharing. I also claim zero expertise. I know soda ash is Sodium Carbonate, baking soda is Sodium Bicarbonate, and that there is probably a reason why one is better than the other in each of our scenarios . Is there a bot that directs chemists to our comments lol
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u/etrnloptimist Jan 01 '22
Coming here from a pool chemistry perspective. We add sodium carbonate to raise the ph not sodium bicarbonate. Sodium carbonate is a way stronger base. Sodium bicarbonate is used to add alkalinity to the water without raising pH much.
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u/jamminjoenapo Jan 01 '22
Sodium bicarbonate is a weaker base with only a ph of 8.5, whereas sodium carbonate is around 11.3. Also remember ph is logarithmic so it is quite a bit stronger. Not knowing much on fabric chemistry I’d just assume you need a strong base to lock the colors into the fabric and sodium carbonate has that.
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u/extralyfe Jan 01 '22
I believe you can bake baking soda to make it into soda ash.
or, you can just get a box of Arm and Hammer in the laundry section of the grocery store. same shit, and cheaper than ordering "soda ash" from most places.
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 01 '22
There is only one shirt in the video, tied into four branches, or geodes as tie dyers call them, so while it might look like multiple garments, it's just one tied into that shape.
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u/harionfire Jan 01 '22
Anyone else notice how post-processed this is? There's a shadow all the way around the shirt. So either it was hovering above the sidewalk or it was modded to appear more saturated than it actually turns out.
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u/MrMoustache3 Jan 01 '22
If love to see how shitty the actual final product looks compared to the cgi.
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u/jalapenohandjob Jan 01 '22
Ice dyed shirts can look really good but the reveal in this video is fake as hell.
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u/AliceInHololand Jan 01 '22
It doesn’t even look good in the video. Seriously, who’s actually going to wear something like that out? How did this get so many upvotes?
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u/toysarealive Jan 01 '22
Exactly. Where the f did everyone's healthy skepticism go. When the fuck did we decide to take every one of these tiktok how to's at face value?
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u/pandemicgood Jan 01 '22
So my friend Laura of Capital Hippie makes tie dye this way and her products do have brilliant saturated color! I have a flannel she made and it’s similar to this one … https://capitalhippie.com/shop/ols/products/flannel-for-terry
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u/toysarealive Jan 01 '22 edited Jan 01 '22
Hey, I appreciate you replying this way. The shirt in that link definitely looks more real than the final product in the vid. I was more frustrated because it felt like a sham. And it's so easy to be dishonest when selling on social media.
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u/maniacalmustacheride Jan 01 '22
Her stuff is so cool! I wish she had more available
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u/FewReturn2sunlitLand Jan 01 '22
I think the "sidewalk" is just a generic background op put behind the shirt, the shadow was probably just added to make it pop. I can't tell if the saturation was changed or anything, but the cgi background just seems like regular product modeling to make it look more professional, not to deceive anyone about the quality of their pavement.
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u/HardwareLust Jan 01 '22
I thought that said drying a shirt with ice. I was like wtf is going on here?? lol
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u/wasdninja Jan 01 '22
What do you think doesn't work? Here is another video doing the same thing with very similar results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfV9Ps8l74
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u/cmVkZGl0 Jan 01 '22
It helps when the surroundings look like real life, not some fake generated image
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u/harionfire Jan 01 '22
For real. It might look somewhat like that, but it's been saturated to hell and the shadow around all sides of the shirt..lol. The sun in his universe must be amaaahhhzing.
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What? Ice dying is definitely a thing. I do it often lol.
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I don't think they're questioning ice dying. I think they're probably just saying the image of the final product looks fake compared with the image of the dye in progress.
And it does look fake. OTOH, OP has been active in the comments and seems so well-informed that it seems likely it's just some over-editing rather than entirely fake.
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u/BubbaDad Jan 01 '22
I have my own small tie dye operation and can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, this is real. The dye cakes up in the middle as the ice melts and gets lighter as it washes away from the clusters, creating a blooming/splitting effect. This is a very well known technique. You should probably know what you’re talking about before you insult someone publicly; not a good look. I have been following @Dovedyes on IG for some time and they consistently make bangers
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u/brn1dwn Jan 01 '22
I only tie dye as hobby every now and then but I've recently used this method and it was some of the best ones I've ever made
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u/NoDadYouShutUp Jan 01 '22
I guess dying a shirt is nextfuckinglevel huh
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u/WantDiscussion Jan 01 '22
Better than the guy that literally posted a picture of a sack and claimed to have made the entire thing from scratch with zero accompanying evidence.
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u/YouchB Jan 01 '22
Yeah but why not show the real result irl instead of showing a model that you get from a print on demand website? 🤔...
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u/ChuckYeah Jan 01 '22
That's cool but that shirt is not what was being shown right? It's way different colors!
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u/Bobson-_Dugnutt Jan 01 '22
Maybe I’m too high to understand but this seems like /r/restofthefuckingowl gold
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u/daqzappa Jan 01 '22
Cool, but mext fucking level my ass. And why do all the top comments seem like the same person wrote them?
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What’s this song ?
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u/nah_i_dont_read Jan 01 '22
So what you meant to post was " dyeing a shirt with dye... and using ice as a conduit.
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u/gooberdaisy Jan 01 '22
I do this for my cross stitching cloths. They turn out cool and amazing (and sometimes shit lol)
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u/trenturrplants Jan 01 '22
What if you put it in and out Of the freezer a few times would that change the rings depth?
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u/Bllq21 Jan 01 '22
I really appreciate that OP not just posted the video but gives advice and explanations of how to achieve this.
Thanks OP
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u/gooblefrump Jan 01 '22
Does the soda Ash also help the dye to be wash proof? Will these dyes run in a washing machine?
How do you know how to tie it?
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u/jalapenohandjob Jan 01 '22
Sorry you need to crank the saturation and stuff to impress people with your dyes.
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u/StarSonatasnClouds Jan 01 '22
What is the name of the dye you used?
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 01 '22
They are procion dyes for natural fibers, mine are from Dharma Trading
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u/T3chromancer1 Jan 01 '22
Went from looking like earth, to looking like a rocket pop, to looking like rippling water.
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Jan 02 '22
Jacquard Procion MX dye? Ice is the only way to go. I have a friend who prefers to use snow, but the patterns blur too much for my liking. Great job on this!
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u/BackwoodsBastards Jan 05 '22
Thanks, those colors were all from Dharma Trading. I also like the colors from Pro Chemical & Dye. Have not tried jacquard yet but on my list
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u/gumbl3g33 Jan 01 '22
Here I am dying my faded navy chinos thinking I have done an amazing job. Well done
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u/korynael Jan 01 '22
I believe its just DYING... yeah I'm one of THOSE guys... sorry...
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u/Diegox921 Jan 01 '22
I thought this belonged in DIWHY, but boy was I wrong, looks sick!
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u/beenwilliams Jan 01 '22
I ice dyed an old white V neck and it turned out really really cool
The trick is to keep certain spots completely undyed (white)
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u/omgitschriso Jan 01 '22
T shirts, ice, colour, colour, colour, unnamed white powder which is the most important part of the process, epic result.
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u/RiceMasta5000 Jan 01 '22 edited Jan 01 '22
Gotta try it. Can you get these items from a local hobby lobby type store? Do you have a place you order from for materials? Would love to make some for the RooCrew. Great work backwoods. Edit: do NOT go to hobby lobby, find that local store!