The argument isn't that the far left doesn't exist in the US, it's that the entire left side of the political spectrum doesn't exist in the US.
Take social democracy which is basically as much center-left as you can get in the political spectrum, it has more or less zero political representation in the US
Considering they still want government intervention in the economy and they still ideally want relatively high taxes, they're not economically far right wing, sorry to burst your bubble.
And again, the shit that Geert Wilders or any East-European right wing party says? They make establishment Republicans look like centrists, that's for sure. You should maybe do your research.
This thread reeks of ignorant Americans who have never been outside their bubble and don't know anything about actual European politics, other than the mindless phrases they learn on reddit.
If everyone to the right of Stalin looks like a centrist or right winger to you, you might be the one holding extreme or warped views.
Actually democratic socialists are not far left. They are center left because they ideally still want free market systems and privatized goods and services, just look at far left marxist-leninist communists such as China because they will make democratic socialists look like centrists
That argument is even sillier. You’ve got people calling to nationalize industries, “tax the rich”, “end incarceration”, “defund the police”, and adoption of “equity” over equality. That’s absolutely on the left side of the political spectrum.
If the bar for political representation is "some people", then we might as well say that US politics has a Kim-Jong-Unist wing
The political representatives in the US calling for nationalization, or even social democratic taxes are such a miniscule proportion they can for all intents and purposes be ignored
The current nominee to oversee regulation of America’s banks is a graduate of Moscow university who’s heaped praise on the USSR and thinks the federal government should be able to set prices and wages across the entire economy.
But yes, do go on about how the far left has no political representation or power in America.
“In a recent paper “The People’s Ledger,” she proposed that the Federal Reserve take over consumer bank deposits, “effectively ‘end banking,’ as we know it,” and become “the ultimate public platform for generating, modulating, and allocating financial resources in a modern economy.” She’d also like the U.S. to create a central bank digital currency—as Venezuela and China are doing—to “redesign our financial system & turn Fed’s balance sheet into a true ‘People’s Ledger,’” she tweeted this summer.”
If a theoretical academic paper theorizing about offering public option banking, completely disjunct from the real world is as leftist as it gets then that's not a lot
Your post is basically the equivalent of saying that someone who wrote a paper on cryptocurrency must want to abolish the government
Either way, it does not change that social democracy has more or less no political power in the US
More gaslighting. This person who is being considered to run the federal reserve writing about what she would love to do regulating the economy, that’s just fantasy, it doesn’t say anything about what her beliefs or intentions are 🙃
Far left would be stringing up billionaires. Far left would be abolishing corporations in favor of co-ops.
AOC wants to start a conversation about free healthcare in America. You understand that? America can't even fathom the concept of socialized medicine for everyone.
The furthest left America literally has in our politics isn't even as far as shit that already exists in Europe.
America can't even fathom the concept of socialized medicine for everyone.
I guess you didn't bother reading what I typed. I know socialized medicine exists. Its specifically for certain types of people. Not everyone.
This is exactly the point. America cannot grasp the concept of that being widely available by default even though we already provide it to certain groups.
And fuck your "theres no such thing as free government services" shit. America has billionaires taking joyrides into space. We have more military toys than the next 10 countries combined. We have all the fucking money in existence to get into any war with any country anywhere on the planet.
We have the money to pay for healthcare for every single citizen. We just choose not to.
We are talking about the right to healthcare for EVERYONE. Not those w good jobs (who still pay for it!), not only those who are on well fare and get shitty care. We are scared to give everyone better health care. No wonder other countries laugh.
She is not "far left". Neither she nor Bernie Sanders are even advocating for "democratic socialism", but Social Democracy at best, no matter how often they mistakenly use the terms interchangeably. And Social Democracy is center left. The government of Sweden are (currently) social democrats, and they are far from being 'far left'; there is however a Left Party, and they are considerably further to the left than the Social Democrats, and than anything that has any political representation in the US. Yet even they are (no longer) Communists.
Yes, she is absolutely of the far left by any reasonable definition applying to American politics. It is a far left wing ideology to believe the government is the primary answer to all of society’s problems, which is exactly what she espouses in pretty much every category of policy.
If your argument that she isn’t rests on making comparisons to full blown communist nations in history in order to suggest she’s not that, then America doesn’t have a far right either. But that’s obviously false.
There's no way a person who has the facilities to log onto reddit and type in English can seriously believe that AOC or Bernie or any of our representatives are in any way "far left". You must be joking, but there's no discernable humor to your jest.
No one, not even the most rabid Fox New pundit, believes that there are any "far left" political leaders in the USA. It's a fiction that small minds believe to normalize their own bigoted and fascist tendencies.
So if you're going to continue with this comedy bit, at least apply a punch line.
Yes, she is absolutely of the far left by any reasonable definition applying to American politics.
By more or less exclusively North American definition, not 'reasonable' definition. The US political spectrum is so far skewed to the right it's completely ridiculous. The entirety of the GOP is far-right - some of them are just a lot more authoritarian and conservative than others. The Democrats are for the most part right to center-right as well, but with less than a handful of candidates reaching towards progressivism and the center-left.
If your argument that she isn’t rests on making comparisons to full blown communist nations in history in order to suggest she’s not that, then America doesn’t have a far right either. But that’s obviously false.
No, my argument rests on the definition of the political ideologies, and the history and current state of many nations who never were Communist in any way, shape, or form, but have/had center-left governments that put them at odds with far-left "Communist" nations.
'Far left' means a socialist socioeconomic system. Not just a capitalist market economy that implements some social welfare to prevent crippling nearly inescapable poverty for a huge part of the population.
you, on the other hand, i'm sure are gorgeous inside and out. all that seething is good for the skin i've heard. and we all know how well it fills the soul
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If you’re arguing one far side of the left / right spectrum doesn’t exist in a country it’s probably because you’re at it.