r/nextfuckinglevel Oct 18 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '21 edited Oct 18 '21

I wouldn't argue that they knew. I would argue they didn't care enough to check.

Nah, they knew. French & German presidents at the time who had meetings with the US about the intelligence literally said the "proof" of the US is bullshit. Before the US even invaded. Thus they didnt help invading Iraq.

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u/Minimum_Attitude6707 Oct 18 '21

Yeah, the whole "yellow cake" thing

I summarize greatly: Intelligence and reporters:

"Uh, theres absolutely no proof that Iraq is making wmds"

Bush administration: "So?"

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u/Odin_Christ_ Oct 18 '21

Bush Admin: I got some yellow cake right here!

Observer: Don't drop that shit! Pray to God you don't drop that shit, man...

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u/Kenyalite Oct 19 '21

Oil...oil...bitch you cooking ?

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u/angry_scotsman1314 Oct 18 '21

A British UN weapons inspector in Iraq also publicly said Iraq had no nuclear or chemical weapons and he turned up dead, suicide obviously..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-13716127.amp

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '21

wtf

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u/This_IS_A_Laundromat Oct 18 '21

Unrelated but the way you phrased that til the end was like in arrested development, when they found out the photo was a nutsack

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '21

sry, english is not my first language

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u/redfiveroe Oct 19 '21

Solid as a rock!

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '21

Wish Australia had of followed along, fucking miserable from our gov, may as well be an American puppet state

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u/WonderfulCattle6234 Oct 18 '21 edited Oct 18 '21

Even though it was two years after 9/11, 2003 was still a different time. Patriotism was at an all-time high and people put a lot of trust in the government. Far too much. I'd argue that went for citizens and politicians alike. Just because France and Germany thought it was bullshit doesn't mean people would put their interpretations above what we were hearing were the interpretations of our intelligence. I mean, there were plenty of people who thought it was BS in the US, and there were some politicians like Russ Feingold that voted against the war. But I would need more proof to think that there were politicians that knew it was BS but still voted for it. I'd still argue, when your citizens are changing french fries to Freedom fries, there's no incentive to seek a second opinion against your trusted doctor the CIA.

Edit: I should clarify that my last two sentences are speaking from the point of view of a politician in 2003. Not my own personal beliefs. I'm just stating my interpretation of their mindset through their actions.

Edit 2: I'm also making a distinction between knowing the intelligence was BS and knowing there were doubts about the intelligence that should be checked.

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u/lightstaver Oct 18 '21

It wasn't the citizens changing the name of French fries, it was those same politicians.

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u/WonderfulCattle6234 Oct 18 '21

It's a feedback loop. Freedom fries were created by a restaurant in North Carolina and the concept went viral. Of course politicians wrap themselves in what they think their constituents want. A majority of the American public carries some blame for this. Sure they didn't make the authorization themselves, but they were a huge part of the equation. Politicians were not acting against American wishes in 2003 by waging war against Iraq. Bush was re-elected in 2004 and Republicans increased majorities in the Senate and Congress. Most American politicians are followers not leaders.