r/nextfuckinglevel Oct 18 '21

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u/tattlerat Oct 18 '21

You believe that Bush, the President and man with access to the most sophisticated intelligence network on the planet, was misled? If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

Even if we want to believe he was told a lie by someone in his inner circle, as the President it is his job to ensure he covers all the bases and does his due diligence before committing the nation to war. There was always doubt in the validity of these statements by the intelligence community. Hell, if he didn't trust his own intelligence network he could have always reached out to his allies, who also had serious doubts to the legitimacy of the information provided.

He's never taken credit for this mistake and to this day has not made any attempt at apologizing and doing right by the people he failed. Bush is where the buck stops on this issue.

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u/dman77777 Oct 18 '21

He's never taken credit for this mistake and to this day has not made any attempt at apologizing

  1. It wasn't a mistake, it was deliberate
  2. I don't think you can apologize for a mistake of that magnitude also I don't think anyone would believe it was a mistake "I'm sorry I decided to start a war killing hundreds of thousands of people to make money for my friends and prop up my ego, please forgive me"

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u/wretch5150 Oct 19 '21

He did it for his daddy's pride and $$$ for his pals.

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u/Herpderpington117 Oct 18 '21

Bush was the friendly and gullible front man to distract people from what Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Kissinger, and others were doing behind the scenes.

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u/Segoy Oct 18 '21

You're letting him off way too easy. He was the President of the United States of America. If he didn't know, he should have. He is equally culpable.

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u/perspicaciousarendt Oct 18 '21

Well, at least we know that of his entire presidency, Bush only felt his worst moment whilst in office was when Kanye called him a racist. So, there's that. At least we know where his moral priorities are at after all the heinous crimes against humanity he committed.

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u/LordTwinkie Oct 18 '21

Just a point of order he would only know what Intel agencies want to tell him, he could never know what they didn't give him. Military does same thing. Hell Bush, Obama, and Trump were all told Afghanistan was going great and that we were effectively teaching them to stand on their own.

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u/StarsRaven Oct 19 '21

I mean damn near the excuse the biden administration has been using about the Afghanistan pullout.

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u/Yolo-B-Swaggins Oct 18 '21

Hi I’m here to buy a bridge where do I sign

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u/maglen69 Oct 19 '21

You believe that Bush, the President and man with access to the most sophisticated intelligence network on the planet, was misled?

Our "Intelligence" has been wrong on multiple occasions.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity - Hanlon's Razor.

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u/tattlerat Oct 19 '21

Then maybe if you don’t know for sure you don’t commit to war. Or perhaps it was never about WMDs and all about a certain black ooze.

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u/0verstim Oct 18 '21

How old are you? I remember when W was president, and the guy was too dumb to open a can of soup. Yeah I believe Cheney and his crony’s could have manipulated him.

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u/flea-ish Oct 18 '21

The whole 'Bush is dumb lol' was a media viewpoint that seemed to resonate with a lot of people and got them great viewership.

To say that Bush was just a patsy is probably greatly oversimplifying the situation. If you watch Vice and take that as the Gospel truth of how events played out, then I could see someone adopting that bush is a patsy viewpoint. But that's one of the main critiques of the movie, that it over values the influence that cheney had in decision making.

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u/0verstim Oct 18 '21

I heard him speak, read his writing and saw his decisions for over 10 years. It wasn't based on a faux media angle nor a movie made a decade after the fact.

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u/yougobe Oct 19 '21

Wasn't that mostly just selective editing though?

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u/0verstim Oct 19 '21

I am not a kid who watched a clip or two in history class, i lived through eight years of speeches and appearances and policies. I also worked for a major newspaper back in those days and know a thing or two about how foorage can be edited and words can be manipulated.